All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

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Check your PM Ulk... I just want to confirm/refute one spoiler I heard.

Done.

I didn't check out any leaks before seeing this, but after talking with ACamp is sounds like some of the leaks were bogus. I can confirm what did and did not happen. If you don't care about spoilers then you can ask questions here or PM me.
 

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Done.

I didn't check out any leaks before seeing this, but after talking with ACamp is sounds like some of the leaks were bogus. I can confirm what did and did not happen. If you don't care about spoilers then you can ask questions here or PM me.

In fairness the leaks I read, MOST have been confirmed true already, it was just that one odd one off I couldn't believe that was included that you confirmed bogus. Don't know if the leaks guessed on a lot correctly or if they had quality leaks and added bs to it...

thanks for taking the time tho ulk, reps.
 

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Do not watch them in sequence. You cannot watch 1, 2, and 3 without having seen 4 and 5.

I've seen them all before, it's just been a long time. Why would I not want to watch them in sequence? There's no mystery for me.
 

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Guys...

holy shit that was good

I'm almost thankful for The Last Jedi because it numbed me to a couple of the things that were a bit questionable in this one.

I think people are going to have a problem with the ending but I thought it all made sense (more or less) and there was plenty of setup to justify what happened.

There was a lot of fan service but tasteful IMO. I almost cried three different times.
 

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All the "regular people" I've heard from seem to love it. The only people who seem to hate it are the ones who loved The Last Jedi.
 

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All the "regular people" I've heard from seem to love it. The only people who seem to hate it are the ones who loved The Last Jedi.

They are just pissed that Rose got the Jar Jar in Attack of the Clones treatment.
 

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I'm a bonafide star wars nerd. I liked it. Of course there are cheesy parts and times it doesn't really make sense. But all in all they did a nice job wrapping up an incredibly difficult trilogy of trilogies. Definitely worth the $10-12 to see on a big screen.
 

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In fairness the leaks I read, MOST have been confirmed true already, it was just that one odd one off I couldn't believe that was included that you confirmed bogus. Don't know if the leaks guessed on a lot correctly or if they had quality leaks and added bs to it...

thanks for taking the time tho ulk, reps.

I think you should see it. I honestly think you'll like it knowing how much you hated TLJ. JJ did everything he could to shit on everything Johnson did in 8. I tried to stay away from the spoilers before seeing it, but the few I did see seemed horrible. Seeing them in context though changes everything.



Guys...

holy shit that was good

It was really really good IMO.

I think most of the negative reviews are from people that are reviewing it as a singular "film". In that sense yes it's very flawed on a technical level. But most of that comes down to how compressed it is because JJ was forced to try and fit 2 films into 1 because TLJ didn't move the plot forward at all. So JJ has to try and make up the missing pieces that should have happened in 8, retcon a bunch of stupid shit Rian did, and then have all of 9 that needs to wrap up the whole Skywalker saga.

I think it will be even better during rewatches knowing the wild ride you're in for ahead of time. I think there is probably also a great directors cut that will add 30-40 more minutes to this one. Combine that with a seriously trimmed version of TLJ and you could really upgrade this trilogy.

My biggest concern coming in was that I couldn't see any way that the trilogy could be wrapped in one more movie based on where we had left off. JJ definitely pulled it off.
 
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Probably seeing it Monday, so time to keep this thread closed until then.

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Here's the question...will we ever see these characters again in a meaningful way? SPOILERS

Lando and the new chick are going to be in a Disney Plus show.

I think Poe and Keri Russell's character could easily have a spin-off prequel show doing spice runs.

Although Finn has potential to be trained as a Jedi I'm not sure he has any story left to tell.

I think Rey is definitely done barring a completely new trilogy where she takes on a mentorship role.

Honestly I hope any future movies are either prequels or they introduce an entirely new set of characters. I feel like this chapter is closed.
 
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Here's the question...will we ever see these characters again in a meaningful way? SPOILERS

Lando and the new chick are going to be in a Disney Plus show.

I think Poe and Keri Russell's character could easily have a spin-off prequel show doing spice runs.

Although Finn has potential to be trained as a Jedi I'm not sure he has any story left to tell.

I think Rey is definitely done barring a completely new trilogy where she takes on a mentorship role.

Honestly I hope any future movies are either prequels or they introduce an entirely new set of characters. I feel like this chapter is closed.

I hope they don't do a prequel with Poe and Russell. Do a show that takes place after if you want. Doing it as a prequel just robs it of any tension it would have because you know where they both end up.

That makes sense about Lando and that girl, and explains the weird ass last scene they had together. I read that Lando originally had a storyline about his kid being stolen by the empire, but it got cut. Thematically that would fit with helping that girl though.

I was pleasently surprised by how good Billy Dee still was.

Rose getting cut was awesome. Also they way it happened felt like JJ giving a metaphorical middle finger to Rian.
 

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I hope they don't do a prequel with Poe and Russell. Do a show that takes place after if you want. Doing it as a prequel just robs it of any tension it would have because you know where they both end up.

That makes sense about Lando and that girl, and explains the weird ass last scene they had together. I read that Lando originally had a storyline about his kid being stolen by the empire, but it got cut. Thematically that would fit with helping that girl though.

I was pleasently surprised by how good Billy Dee still was.

Rose getting cut was awesome. Also they way it happened felt like JJ giving a metaphorical middle finger to Rian.

I guess I just thought a show about being a spice runner would be fun but I guess a sequel would work, too.
 

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They definitely listened to a lot of the fan's concerns from Last Jedi. It seemed like they cut out the bullshit politics. They severely dialed back Rose's character, to the point she was almost not even in the movie which I thought was surprising. They killed that whole romantic angle she had with Finn. They poked fun at the "Holdo Maneuver" which I thought was beautiful. They basically retconned Johnson's angle with Rey's parents, going from "her parents were nobodies" to "Oh, she's a Palpatine!" Just a bunch of slaps in the face to Johnson.

One of the biggest negatives I've seen people come forward with is Palpatine in general. By bringing him back, people are saying that it basically cheapened Anakin's redemption arc in Return of the Jedi and it was just another fan service/callback. I did some thinking about this, and I concluded that Palpatine was a necessary evil in Rise of Skywalker (pun intended). When Johnson prematurely killed off Snoke it left a power vacuum in the antagonist roles. Who was left? General Hux (Who we find out later is a spy of sorts), and Kylo. Ben Solo was always going to get his redemption angle, they tease it in the very first film. If Kylo turns back to the light, who is there to drive the plot and push the protagonist Rey to the climax? No one, since Snoke is dead. What options are there then? Either you don't turn Kylo, or you introduce an entirely new antagonist and must build him up over the entire movie. The later is a pretty difficult task in the grand scheme of a trilogy though. You don't introduce Sauron in the final book of the Lord of the Rings, after all. So, what does that mean? Abrams' hand was forced, he had to bring back an established bad guy to fill the role. Palpatine was the most logical choice in this case. He had immense power in the dark side, there were references to the Dark Plageus story and his ability to cheat death. It may have been a bit unfortunate they had to bring him back, but given the damage Johnson did it became a bit of a necessity to tell a stronger story.
 
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They definitely listened to a lot of the fan's concerns from Last Jedi. It seemed like they cut out the bullshit politics. They severely dialed back Rose's character, to the point she was almost not even in the movie which I thought was surprising. They killed that whole romantic angle she had with Finn. They poked fun at the "Holdo Maneuver" which I thought was beautiful. They basically retconned Johnson's angle with Rey's parents, going from "her parents were nobodies" to "Oh, she's a Palpatine!" Just a bunch of slaps in the face to Johnson.

One of the biggest negatives I've seen people come forward with is Palpatine in general. By bringing him back, people are saying that it basically cheapened Anakin's redemption arc in Return of the Jedi and it was just another fan service/callback. I did some thinking about this, and I concluded that Palpatine was a necessary evil in Rise of Skywalker (pun intended). When Johnson prematurely killed off Snoke it left a power vacuum in the antagonist roles. Who was left? General Hux (Who we find out later is a spy of sorts), and Kylo. Ben Solo was always going to get his redemption angle, they tease it in the very first film. If Kylo turns back to the light, who is there to drive the plot and push the protagonist Rey to the climax? No one, since Snoke is dead. What options are there then? Either you don't turn Kylo, or you introduce an entirely new antagonist and must build him up over the entire movie. The later is a pretty difficult task in the grand scheme of a trilogy though. You don't introduce Sauron in the final book of the Lord of the Rings, after all. So, what does that mean? Abrams' hand was forced, he had to bring back an established bad guy to fill the role. Palpatine was the most logical choice in this case. He had immense power in the dark side, there were references to the Dark Plageus story and his ability to cheat death. It may have been a bit unfortunate they had to bring him back, but given the damage Johnson did it became a bit of a necessity to tell a stronger story.

I agree with your assessment. I don't think Palpatine living cheapens Anakin' arc at all. At the time he is still the hero. He brought balance to the force for several decades. And he was the role model for Kylo who similarly renounced the dark side helping to bring balance again. Now that we have new information we realize Vader didn't really seal the deal, and at the end of ROTJ, with what we knew of the force and it's wielder's powers, it was reasonable to think of Palpatine as dead. Though, in retrospect we never saw him sliced in half or buried or burned so who really knew? Then the hints dropped in the prequels do leave that door ajar a bit or at least one can ponder.
 

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This is why I rarely look at reviews before blockbusters like Star Wars. I want to form my own opinion, not one influenced by nitpicky blowhard critics. I go for the entertainment and I suspect this film will be thoroughly entertaining.

I saw it last night and honestly, I really liked it. Had a great time watching it and I feel like it was an acceptable conclusion to the series. There are weird parts and some faults but overall I left happy.
 

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Saw it last night. There were a few good moments here and there but I really didn't like it.

Obviously Disney didn't have a coherent plan for the trilogy as a whole which is absolutely mind-boggling to me.
 

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It's hilarious that Disney paid $4b for Star Wars and instead of carefully plotting out movies 7-9, they said, "F*ck it, let's just wing this thing." Contrast that with how Feige created the MCU...
 

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It's hilarious that Disney paid $4b for Star Wars and instead of carefully plotting out movies 7-9, they said, "F*ck it, let's just wing this thing." Contrast that with how Feige created the MCU...
LucasFilm has a person in that role. She's just bad at it.
 

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light-spoilers in this post

I saw it, and I would guess 85-90% of the leaks I heard about were true; and some of the leaks were in the ballpark, but not true.

just some random thoughts...

I'd say Luke's role in this movie is less than what his roles were in TFA and TLJ combined! The trilogy has massive holes in it, does anyone care what happens to Finn, Poe, or Rey? the character development on them was none-existent. Rey can stop a spaceship from taking off, yet Luke cant even cut himself out of a net in RotJ without a lightsaber. If Finn was never in any of the sequels, would anyone care? Jedi's can heal now? (they fly now?). This is another movie where the patriarchy is supplanted by a matriarchy, so there is plenty of political messaging going on, its just NOT as 'in your face' as Holdo to Poe was. Kylo takes the same kind of stab that Qui Gon Gin took, but since Rey is all-powerful, Kylo can be healed (Sorry Qui Gon, you should have lived in the time of Rey).

In the end, Palpatine is the big winner as his offspring is the most powerful entity left, and has claimed the Skywalker name.
 

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LucasFilm has a person in that role. She's just bad at it.

Given the massive narrative whiplash between TFA and TLJ, she can't have nearly the creative control that Feige did. Put another way, if she's responsible for TLJ, then most of the hatred aimed at Johnson ought to redirected to her.
 

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The Ringer

The reveal of Rey’s parentage isn’t nearly as affecting as the reveal of Luke’s, both because it’s predictable and because there’s no prior relationship between her and Palpatine, as there was with Luke and Vader. The Rise of Skywalker assures us that determined underdogs can band together to defeat tyranny, that it’s essential to maintain hope in the face of hardship, and that darkness is redeemable and temptation can be tamed, but we could draw the same lessons from Lucas’s films. What did the ending of this trilogy teach us that Star Wars didn’t decades ago?

This snippet of a review tells you all you need to know about why reviews are stupid.

1) The movie isn't good because the surprise reveal of Rey's connection to Palpatine isn't as shocking as Darth Vader being Luke's father. So I guess if it doesn't live up to the most iconic moment in history it sucks.

2) There's no prior relationship between Rey and Palpatine. But it's predictable. Sorry, which is it?

3) STAR WARS MUST TEACH US SOMETHING NEW. It is simply not enough that the movie is entertaining, the plot makes sense, and the characters are likeable.
 

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Saw it last night. There were a few good moments here and there but I really didn't like it.

Obviously Disney didn't have a coherent plan for the trilogy as a whole which is absolutely mind-boggling to me.

The last part is absolutely correct whether you like the films or not. They’ve admitted as much in terms of each of the three stories being created as they got to to them. And,... yes,... it’s mind blowing. I’ve had scripts considered by Paramount, had writing partners/agents and have written recognition by the Screen Writers Guild. Even for a low level, failed writer like me, it’s completely mind blowing to think anyone took a film series of this stature and then go into preproduction of each film like,... okay, so,... what happens now??? It’s clear they just knew they’d make their money back on name alone so,... ‘fuck it’.
 
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The last part is absolutely correct whether you like the films or not. They’ve admitted as much in terms of each of the three stories being created as they got to to them. And,... yes,... it’s mind blowing. I’ve had scripts considered by Paramount, had writing partners/agents and have written recognition by the Screen Writers Guild. Even for a low level, failed writer like me, it’s completely mind blowing to think anyone took a film series of this stature and then go into preproduction of each film like,... okay, so,... what happens now??? It’s clear they just knew they’d make their money back on name alone so,... ‘fuck it’.

Or they just trusted that none of the three directors they had lined up would actively try and destroy everything that the one before them set up. Or would release a movie that's so horrible and universally panned that they would need to be replaced 2 years before their film was supposed to come out.

The OT wasn't some planned out masterpiece. It was written as it went along. It's glaringly obvious in points too, like Luke and Leia being siblings.

Here's an interest tidbit I stumbled across though regarding what Trevorrow had planned before he got the boot.....

There were two key things Trevorrow wanted to be changed – and they were not minor”, claims the rumour. “These two things have been known for a while around Disney. Firstly, he wanted Luke to still be alive in 9. He strongly disagreed with killing Luke off in 8 when he had just been re-introduced. Luke and Leia were to be a pivotal part of his script, with Leia’s Force affinity revealed in a much more brother/sister way that was apparently going to be ‘beautiful and tragic’. Mark Hamill loved it. ‘We were on the same page,’ as he’s said about Trevorrow’s storyline. However, Kennedy and Johnson wanted Luke dead – period. Second, he wanted Snoke to live, as his back story was to be more discussed. Fisher dying scuttled his original plan for the Leia Force affinity reveal, of course. But he still needed Luke alive for the story he wanted to tell to end the trilogy – more of a Luke handing off the baton to Rey and a Luke ‘walking off into the sunset’ idea, in the last film – rather than Luke dying in 8. They refused. He argued. They fired him.
 

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I'll admit there was at least 1 character I liked...Baboo(?), the black market droidsmith.
 
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