'17 GA DE/OLB Robert Beal (Georgia Verbal)

[NDPhilly]

Yea, because Stanford, TCU, MSU, Oregon, Baylor, Oklahoma, etc do, right? So we can't possibly win being those guys. I mean, Baker Mayfield, Connor Cook, Marcus Mariotta, Trevon Boykin, etc. they were 5 star "can't miss" studs, right?

None of those teams have won national championships. Look it how much more talented OSU was then us. #15 classes arent going to close the gap. If we are shooting for 9-10 wins as our ceiling #15 classes will be fine. If we want to compete with Bama and OSU, then we need to do better. This is Notre Dame. If we arent shooting for National Championships then we are wasting our time.

 

[rocket66]

None of those teams have won national championships. Look it how much more talented OSU was then us. #15 classes arent going to close the gap. If we are shooting for 9-10 wins as our ceiling #15 classes will be fine. If we want to compete with Bama and OSU, then we need to do better. This is Notre Dame. If we arent shooting for National Championships then we are wasting our time.

Yup. But we're close. We are a stud DC away from those top 5 classes. BK and Sanford have the O on lockdown. The D needs tremendous help.


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[GBdomer]

Yea, because Stanford, TCU, MSU, Oregon, Baylor, Oklahoma, etc do, right? So we can't possibly win being those guys. I mean, Baker Mayfield, Connor Cook, Marcus Mariotta, Trevon Boykin, etc. they were 5 star "can't miss" studs, right?

I would put all those teams lumped in there with ND and none of them have won championships. Everytime I bring up this you act like recruiting is just fine and let's stay the course. All I said was ND is close and a few key misses from being there. There is a reason OSU won and Bama keeps winning them not only do they have the two best coaches but they recruit at a level maybe 5 teams can come close too and those are your 5 teams to play for it all. Congrats you named 3 extremely system friendly QB's and a guy who out performed his rankings in a pro style offense with a pretty elite defense. Also same guy who has a career completion percentage hovered around 55%.

So ya we continue to be what we've been for 25 years but have we closed the gap? Absolutely, Brian Kelly year seven and he will never be on urban or Sabans level but if we can chase one every 3 years that's great. Thank god for the 2013 class or IMO it would be 9-3 football like it's been until we start bringing in more classes like we did that year. Top 15 isn't going to cut it. We need to start landing some elite football players who can help from day 1. DL is a great place to start. I'm done having this agruement with you, we will never see eye to eye on this so let's just agree to disagree

 

[drake29]

I would, especially for ND's offense.

But regardless of the offense, McCaffrey proved that he could be a workhorse to go along with his big-play ability and versatility. Not as bruising as Elliot or Henry, but a little more quick-twitch, which I like considering he could also get some tough yards.


*I will note that you can't go wrong with any of these three guys, so it's kind of a foolish comparison/argument to be had. Henry is a prototype and Zeke is very versatile in his own right.

Over the first 6-7 games last year I think a lot of people would have taken Prosise over McCaffrey based on stats. Stats really don't matter much to me personally - Elliot and Henry are beasts - bigger, stronger, and faster than McCaffrey. Elliot plays in an offense that resembles ND more than Stanford - why would you want McCaffrey in an offense you aren't sure he would thrive in?

 

[T Town Tommy]

I would put all those teams lumped in there with ND and none of them have won championships. Everytime I bring up this you act like recruiting is just fine and let's stay the course. All I said was ND is close and a few key misses from being there. There is a reason OSU won and Bama keeps winning them not only do they have the two best coaches but they recruit at a level maybe 5 teams can come close too and those are your 5 teams to play for it all. Congrats you named 3 extremely system friendly QB's and a guy who out performed his rankings in a pro style offense with a pretty elite defense. Also same guy who has a career completion percentage hovered around 55%.

So ya we continue to be what we've been for 25 years but have we closed the gap? Absolutely, Brian Kelly year seven and he will never be on urban or Sabans level but if we can chase one every 3 years that's great. Thank god for the 2013 class or IMO it would be 9-3 football like it's been until we start bringing in more classes like we did that year. Top 15 isn't going to cut it. We need to start landing some elite football players who can help from day 1. DL is a great place to start. I'm done having this agruement with you, we will never see eye to eye on this so let's just agree to disagree

DL is the first place to start for any team recruiting. That doesn't diminish any other positions on the field but the elite teams are typically very strong up the middle and have DE's that can seal the ends, get after the QB, and go sideline to sideline very quickly.

The premium placed on elite DL in every recruiting class is huge. There just aren't enough elite DL to go around most recruiting cycles so the competition to get them is fierce. And being able to go to the places where these elite DL are at is important. Teams that can recruit nationally have a much better chance of landing them. Notre Dame falls in the national recruiting base. Maybe the Irish should be having more success with DL recruitment... that's always open for debate.

I guess my overall point is this... you are going to miss on more than you get and the competition to get the position group is tremendous. Just gotta keep working them in the hopes that you land some. A few good years of hitting the right guys and the landscape of the defense can change drastically.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Oh know. Someone de-committed in February! The 2016 class was gonna be great and now what is ND gonna do! We are so fu....wait, he's a 2017 recruit? We still have an entire year to make up for it?

Moving along.

Graham, bro, Love you like a brother (in this case from a green mother,) but dude! From Father Sorin's article, including his take on the core curriculum - English :

Right Writing — This isn’t complex. The course teaches the difference between your and you’re; its and it’s; who and whom; and among there, their, and they’re. An English professor will explain to students what the passive voice is, so that it may be assiduously avoided in written composition. A Philosophy professor could explain the conditional contrary-to-fact nature of the subjunctive mood, if students were able to grasp the concept. And a Dutch schoolmarm will drill into students how bad it is to always split infinitives. If you think this isn’t a necessary course, just read the graffiti in the Library.

Now that that is taken care of, strategically and unilaterally, on to your great point. Without belaboring the point, few seem to acknowledge : A) Someone who doubles back on their commitment, probably shouldn't be there in the first place; B) Five-stars are dandy, but Stanford has built a pretty nice program without many of them, and used a good (brutally tough) selection process, as well as player development as more than an adequate substitute -- [I don't want to hear about roids!]; C) Posting members, certainly not all, not even half, but a sizable minority continue to weigh a class on it's own merit, not consider it with how it fits with the class before, and the class after.

Five star players are great, but a preponderance of [antidotal] evidence suggests they tend to be more fickle, and less team player [at least in college, as they are eyes on the NFL.]

In addition to that, has anyone compared intelligence and/or long term gratification to star ratings? Let alone academic work ethic? Because, I believe it to be a rare animal who is looking to punch a ticket to the NFL, that will consider working as hard as you have to at any of the better academic institutions that don't have football degrees.

That is why I am so proud of rooting for a team with guys like Steve Elmer and Corey Robinson, aboard.

And that is why I am okay with losing five stars that have tenuous reasons for changing commitment, no matter how longstanding the narrative is.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

If that's the case, then they've been prepping this reason since before he even committed to ND in the first place.

I was told a few weeks before he committed that he and his sister both had a strong desire to attend ND together, and that was the plan. So I don't think the source was bending the story for effect. It is definitely possible, and perhaps they were just getting a HUGE jump on having an excuse for a decommitment... but based on what I heard from people that would know, they wouldn't use his sister's status as an excuse unless it was truly the reason.

Yes, but is it him, or do the parents feel strongest about it? Are they, or the rest of the family and friends influencing the situation?

I still find it hard that someone could be dissuaded from attending their 'dream school' for the outcome of another's admission attempt.

(thanks Irish#1!)

 

[irishff1014]

Haha from commit to not even in the top 5. Gotta love recruiting!

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

What's a joke is NDs admissions office. Why would he have us in his top 5 when he sister can't get into ND? She has a 3.8 so id like to know what exactly why she got denied? They need to lighten up a little bit

 

[NDdomer2]

What's a joke is NDs admissions office. Why would he have us in his top 5 when he sister can't get into ND? She has a 3.8 so id like to know what exactly why she got denied? They need to lighten up a little bit

LOL

 

[irishff1014]

What's a joke is NDs admissions office. Why would he have us in his top 5 when he sister can't get into ND? She has a 3.8 so id like to know what exactly why she got denied? They need to lighten up a little bit

Gpa means nothing if you take bs classes and if you bomb test scores.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Loy with an update saying he's named a leader and a top 5 not sure if it's any new info

 

[koonja]

Loy with an update saying he's named a leader and a top 5 not sure if it's any new info

ND is not in it. Bama, Texas, FSU and 2 others I cannot remember.

 

[NDgradstudent]

What's a joke is NDs admissions office. Why would he have us in his top 5 when he sister can't get into ND? She has a 3.8 so id like to know what exactly why she got denied? They need to lighten up a little bit

I'm sure there was a good reason for denying her. The ND admissions office is not looking to reject someone with her demographic profile.

ND simply can't let recruits have free admits like this. What is ND's self-respect worth? Anything?

 

[irishff1014]

ND is not in it. Bama, Texas, FSU and 2 others I cannot remember.

South Carolina and NC State

Also loy said "highly unlikely to consider ND again".

 

[texbender]

move on, lots of potential recruits out there.

 

[drake29]

move on, lots of potential recruits out there.

Not many with the ability/upside/ND connection. Staff needs to start putting in overtime on the recruiting trail.

 

[texbender]

Not many with the ability/upside/ND connection. Staff needs to start putting in overtime on the recruiting trail.

No doubt a very competitive biz, especially for the cream at the top. Staff does a pretty decent job with recruiting, and then developing the recruits. Remember past days when great classes showed up, but not on the field. Hate to lose the kid, but move on to the next one.

 

[irishtrain]

Not many with the ability/upside/ND connection. Staff needs to start putting in overtime on the recruiting trail.

I really question at times 'IF' there is anything else the staff could do with some of these possible future players. As soon as I see 4/5 names of schools who have a different agenda than Notre Dame you know the enticement is there. Not all these guys are Steve Elmer like college men. Not that every player at Notre Dame has to be Elmer like but we all know the difference these other schools offer.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

What's a joke is NDs admissions office. Why would he have us in his top 5 when he sister can't get into ND? She has a 3.8 so id like to know what exactly why she got denied? They need to lighten up a little bit

LOL

Reps ND2!

Did you happen to see who his top five are? Not exactly schools that have much in common with Notre Dame.

Earlier everyone said this had all to do with his sister's admission -- and lack thereof.

Maybe.

But more and more it's looking like we just didn't want to go to college to play school.

Just the way I see it. But if true, you all can save the emotional ill health of slaughtering the Admissions Office, or the staff, or whom ever else is a no risk target.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I'm sure there was a good reason for denying her. The ND admissions office is not looking to reject someone with her demographic profile.

ND simply can't let recruits have free admits like this. What is ND's self-respect worth? Anything?

Now this is a great post.

It is about backing up others that have all the information to make decisions.

And it is about principles and standards!

Awesome, reps, sir!

 

[woolybug25]

That is interesting. I think most people underestimate how difficult it is to get into Notre Dame as a regular student. It's an elite private school with less than 13k total students. I hope she has a real academic profile that matches the school's standards. A lot of really good students get denied, put on waiting lists, etc before actually getting accepted. I'm sure his grandmother understands this and hopefully she has given some guidance to Robert's sister.

Which brings up the elephant in the room... Should admissions consider not only her Grandmother's past employment, but also the fact that her brother is committed to the school? I would argue Yes... But probably not why you think. I believe that admissions also looks at whether a student would be able to handle the rigors of the school. I would argue that her grandmother's understanding of the culture, her close proximity and her brother also attending would all be evidence of a strong support system.

This board would implode if she's denied...

I saw this coming a month ago...

 

[GoIrish41]

Almost any other school would have admitted his sister. I like the integrity, but hate that we lost a 5-star recruit at a position that hasn't seen a 5-star recruit in far too long. This kid is going to be great for a team I hope we don't play for the next four years. This stings a bit!

 

[stlnd01]

Almost any other school would have admitted his sister. I like the integrity, but hate that we lost a 5-star recruit at a position that hasn't seen a 5-star recruit in far too long. This kid is going to be great for a team I hope we don't play for the next four years. This stings a bit!

Not Stanford, Northwestern, Vandy, Duke, BC. Not the schools we hold as academic peers, for good reason. I'm sure Beal's sister is a smart young woman but we can't be in the business of plus-ones. Sucks we lose him, but if that's the expectation on the recruit's end it's probably not a good fit.

 

[Luckylucci]

I would put all those teams lumped in there with ND and none of them have won championships. Everytime I bring up this you act like recruiting is just fine and let's stay the course. All I said was ND is close and a few key misses from being there. There is a reason OSU won and Bama keeps winning them not only do they have the two best coaches but they recruit at a level maybe 5 teams can come close too and those are your 5 teams to play for it all. Congrats you named 3 extremely system friendly QB's and a guy who out performed his rankings in a pro style offense with a pretty elite defense. Also same guy who has a career completion percentage hovered around 55%.

So ya we continue to be what we've been for 25 years but have we closed the gap? Absolutely, Brian Kelly year seven and he will never be on urban or Sabans level but if we can chase one every 3 years that's great. Thank god for the 2013 class or IMO it would be 9-3 football like it's been until we start bringing in more classes like we did that year. Top 15 isn't going to cut it. We need to start landing some elite football players who can help from day 1. DL is a great place to start. I'm done having this agruement with you, we will never see eye to eye on this so let's just agree to disagree

You verbatim said that if "ND wants to play with the big boys." I dont Know but playing Clemson at home to a 2 PT loss and losing to Stanford (a top 5) team on a last second field goal isn't playin with the big boys then I don't know what is. Yea, we didn't win a NCG. That right is reserved for 1 team every year, so the rest are failures, really? So every team that doesn't win it all, should be chastised? It's just tiring to hear the same thing every night when a person logs on.

 

[drake29]

You verbatim said that if "ND wants to play with the big boys." I dont Know but playing Clemson at home to a 2 PT loss and losing to Stanford (a top 5) team on a last second field goal isn't playin with the big boys then I don't know what is. Yea, we didn't win a NCG. That right is reserved for 1 team every year, so the rest are failures, really? So every team that doesn't win it all, should be chastised? It's just tiring to hear the same thing every night when a person logs on.

Guess you're happy with ND finishing ranked between 10-25 every year? BK's best win was OU in 2012. Getting beat when they match up against other tops teams every time doesn't really go far in convincing top talent to come your way. All kids in the 2017 class will remember is:

Clemson - loss
Stanford - loss
OSU - big loss

ND can't afford to keep letting kids with connections with the program to keep slipping through their grasp. Hunter Johnson was big. Paris Ford. Robert Beal. Anyone with an ND offer from Bishop Gorman. It's just frustrating as a fan - ND is supposed to be the premier football program in the country. I imagine this is what Yankees fans feel except it's been this way since '88. I'm not trying to be Chicken Little - BK is the best coach ND has had in a long time. He's done some very good things to bring ND out of the dark ages - but his job isn't halfway done. You can always do better - until you win a National Title. Until then you should be critical of your own work because at a place like Notre Dame you know everyone expects the best. Sorry to ramble, I'm tired as hell so this probably didn't make much sense. I definitely get your frustration with reading negative posts constantly but these guys make a boatload of money and everyone in the athletics dept. is basically a mini-celebrity because of this school. It's not easy, but they're expected to be the best. ND hasn't gotten that from them yet.

 

[Grahambo]

Guess you're happy with ND finishing ranked between 10-25 every year? BK's best win was OU in 2012. Getting beat when they match up against other tops teams every time doesn't really go far in convincing top talent to come your way. All kids in the 2017 class will remember is:

Clemson - loss
Stanford - loss
OSU - big loss

ND can't afford to keep letting kids with connections with the program to keep slipping through their grasp. Hunter Johnson was big. Paris Ford. Robert Beal. Anyone with an ND offer from Bishop Gorman. It's just frustrating as a fan - ND is supposed to be the premier football program in the country. I imagine this is what Yankees fans feel except it's been this way since '88. I'm not trying to be Chicken Little - BK is the best coach ND has had in a long time. He's done some very good things to bring ND out of the dark ages - but his job isn't halfway done. You can always do better - until you win a National Title. Until then you should be critical of your own work because at a place like Notre Dame you know everyone expects the best. Sorry to ramble, I'm tired as hell so this probably didn't make much sense. I definitely get your frustration with reading negative posts constantly but these guys make a boatload of money and everyone in the athletics dept. is basically a mini-celebrity because of this school. It's not easy, but they're expected to be the best. ND hasn't gotten that from them yet.

Yes, I am.

 

[johnnycando]

Guess you're happy with ND finishing ranked between 10-25 every year? BK's best win was OU in 2012. Getting beat when they match up against other tops teams every time doesn't really go far in convincing top talent to come your way. All kids in the 2017 class will remember is:

Clemson - loss
Stanford - loss
OSU - big loss

ND can't afford to keep letting kids with connections with the program to keep slipping through their grasp. Hunter Johnson was big. Paris Ford. Robert Beal. Anyone with an ND offer from Bishop Gorman. It's just frustrating as a fan - ND is supposed to be the premier football program in the country. I imagine this is what Yankees fans feel except it's been this way since '88. I'm not trying to be Chicken Little - BK is the best coach ND has had in a long time. He's done some very good things to bring ND out of the dark ages - but his job isn't halfway done. You can always do better - until you win a National Title. Until then you should be critical of your own work because at a place like Notre Dame you know everyone expects the best. Sorry to ramble, I'm tired as hell so this probably didn't make much sense. I definitely get your frustration with reading negative posts constantly but these guys make a boatload of money and everyone in the athletics dept. is basically a mini-celebrity because of this school. It's not easy, but they're expected to be the best. ND hasn't gotten that from them yet.

I get your rant, because you hurt.

-But-

BK isn't satisfied with what he's done.

He wants to win a whole lot more than you do bud. You're just a fan.

His paycheck gets a whole lot sweeter and his name will forever be etched in ND lore if he wins.

You get a tattoo if ND wins.

Lmfao.

ND lost Beal due to his sister.

Many others due to academics. DRob because, who knows?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I get your rant, because you hurt.

-But-

BK isn't satisfied with what he's done.

He wants to win a whole lot more than you do bud. You're just a fan.

His paycheck gets a whole lot sweeter and his name will forever be etched in ND lore if he wins.

You get a tattoo if ND wins.

Lmfao.

ND lost Beal due to his sister.

Many others due to academics. DRob because, who knows?

True wisdom from the Randommaster!

 

[drake29]

I get your rant, because you hurt.

-But-

BK isn't satisfied with what he's done.

He wants to win a whole lot more than you do bud. You're just a fan.

His paycheck gets a whole lot sweeter and his name will forever be etched in ND lore if he wins.

You get a tattoo if ND wins.

Lmfao.

ND lost Beal due to his sister.

Many others due to academics. DRob because, who knows?

First off - if ND wins a Natty, it's going to be the classiest tattoo you've ever seen. Bleacher report is going to love it.

2nd - I get there are circumstances that will keep some kids away, that gives ND 0% chance to land them. I believe that's even the case for Beal. But there are recruitments they have dropped the ball with. Late offers, lack of communication, or who knows? We've heard this about the staff in the past from certain pay sites. That's why ND ends up with plan B type players. Limited athletically. You can't win championships with those guys. I just think they have a lot of room for improvement and would have thought they would have it figured out 5 years in.