All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

[Cackalacky]

This movie is SO much better than TFA

What do you think makes it so much better? Very curious and honestly asking.

For me,

the movie was very gritty and concise. It was like watching a war movie where as TFA was very focused on people and setting a much larger story. But I think this is a onetime off with a resolution that we know where it ended. TFA is not yet there and we dont know what is coming up. I think in the end TFA will be a good part of the trilogy and that whole story will be good. I guess I am saying I have a hard time compartmentalizing TFA because I know there is more to come in that saga.

 

[wizards8507]

An observation worth discussion: IMO Jyn is force sensitive. In the scene where the rogue one is trying to achieve passage through the gate at Scariff, Jyn influences the imperials, with the force, to accept the pass code. I don't believe she knows what she's doing. I think this was very subtle, not meant to be overt.

it also mirrors the scene in ROTJ where they are trying to land the stolen shuttle on endor, and Vader notices them.

Jyn's mother was force sensitive. She wasn't a Jedi and didn't have any powers, but she was definitely a believer in the "religion of the force." Jyn's apparent force sensitivity likely also had a lot to do with the Kyber crystal she wore around her neck.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

What do you think makes it so much better? Very curious and honestly asking.

For me,

the movie was very gritty and concise. It was like watching a war movie where as TFA was very focused on people and setting a much larger story. But I think this is a onetime off with a resolution that we know where it ended. TFA is not yet there and we dont know what is coming up. I think in the end TFA will be a good part of the trilogy and that whole story will be good. I guess I am saying I have a hard time compartmentalizing TFA because I know there is more to come in that saga.

The only issue I had with TFA was starkiller base. Same concept, rushed, no one as afraid, it was just another similar obstacle that they've overcome before. Otherwise, it's really a great film, for me. The other criticisms are tedious, coming from people who have an ax to grind resulting from the prequels. It's a differrent arc that ANH, still a heros journey, but differrent path. I think Disney has nailed things with these two movies. Looking forward to much more.

 

[wizards8507]

I think the strengths and weaknesses of TFA and Rogue One were the exact opposite. Rogue One was an engaging story with characters I don't care about. TFA had new characters that I instantly fell in love with but a mediocre story.

 

[Cackalacky]

I think the strengths and weaknesses of TFA and Rogue One were the exact opposite. Rogue One was an engaging story with characters I don't care about. TFA had new characters that I instantly fell in love with but a mediocre story.

This is exactly what i mean. We dont know that TFA story is yet though. Its not been revealed. Its like trying to judge the end of The Fellowship of the Ring as to the end if the Return of the King.

 

[#1rish]

Any other well-known movies where most if not all of the protagonists die?

 

[Buster Bluth]

This is exactly what i mean. We dont know that TFA story is yet though. Its not been revealed. Its like trying to judge the end of The Fellowship of the Ring as to the end if the Return of the King.

It's judging a fourth installment of The Lord of the Rings that is too similar to the events of The Fellowship of the Ring.

The Force Awakens had a weak plot. The characters and production value were A+, but it's a rehashed plot from A New Hope. I doubt I'll ever get over that.

For me I'd rank em:

Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
The Phantom Menace
Attack Of The Clones

 

[Cackalacky]

It's judging a fourth installment of The Lord of the Rings that is too similar to the events of The Fellowship of the Ring.

The Force Awakens had a weak plot. The characters and production value were A+, but it's a rehashed plot from A New Hope. I doubt I'll ever get over that.

For me I'd rank em:

Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
The Phantom Menace
Attack Of The Clones

I can see that POV.

 

[tussin]

TFA was total fan service and nothing more. The plot was entirely unoriginal and almost a scene for scene remake of ANH.

I also have a huge problem with Rey. She was a total Mary Sue - she piloted the Millennium Falcon, pulled off Jedi Mind Tricks, and beat the shit out of Kyle Ren all in one movie. There was no development... she just kicked ass the entire time.

 

[wizards8507]

I also have a huge problem with Rey. She was a total Mary Sue - she piloted the Millennium Falcon, pulled off Jedi Mind Tricks, and beat the shit out of Kyle Ren all in one movie. There was no development... she just kicked ass the entire time.

Absolutely, completely wrong. A Mary Sue is a character with unrealistic skills and abilities. That is NOT the point of Rey's character. Rey is not someone who just inherently CAN do all those things, which would make her a Mary Sue. If you watch the movie with your brain turned on, it's obvious that Rey has had training. It wasn't about creating an omnipotent character who can do all these things, it was about creating a mystery about HOW she knew how to do all these things. She's not an orphan who can all of a sudden fly the Falcon and use the Force. She's an abandoned Skywalker and/or Kenobi who has had pilot and/or Jedi training.

 

[gkIrish]

Absolutely, completely wrong. A Mary Sue is a character with unrealistic skills and abilities. That is NOT the point of Rey's character. Rey is not someone who just inherently CAN do all those things, which would make her a Mary Sue. If you watch the movie with your brain turned on, it's obvious that Rey has had training. It wasn't about creating an omnipotent character who can do all these things, it was about creating a mystery about HOW she knew how to do all these things. She's not an orphan who can all of a sudden fly the Falcon and use the Force. She's an abandoned Skywalker and/or Kenobi who has had pilot and/or Jedi training.

And her memory was erased? That would be so stupid.

This is exactly what i mean. We dont know that TFA story is yet though. Its not been revealed. Its like trying to judge the end of The Fellowship of the Ring as to the end if the Return of the King.

I rewatched Fellowship last night and my God that movie is amazing. The LOTR trilogy is easily second best of all time.

 

[Cackalacky]

And her memory was erased? That would be so stupid.



I rewatched Fellowship last night and my God that movie is amazing. The LOTR trilogy is easily second best of all time.

Agreed. I dont think she knows about the force or Skywalker other than the rumors. Otherwise why would Han have to tell them it was as all real. There is lots of backstory and enare missing for sure.

 

[tussin]

Absolutely, completely wrong. A Mary Sue is a character with unrealistic skills and abilities. That is NOT the point of Rey's character. Rey is not someone who just inherently CAN do all those things, which would make her a Mary Sue. If you watch the movie with your brain turned on, it's obvious that Rey has had training. It wasn't about creating an omnipotent character who can do all these things, it was about creating a mystery about HOW she knew how to do all these things. She's not an orphan who can all of a sudden fly the Falcon and use the Force. She's an abandoned Skywalker and/or Kenobi who has had pilot and/or Jedi training.

Hahaha "if you watch the movie with your brain turned on." Calm down nerd.

There is absolutely nothing that proves "she had training," maybe spend less time on SW Reddit. Also, regardless if your theory is right or not, she's still a Mary Sue. The first time she pilots the MF, it's the best piloting sequence in SW history. The first time she picked up a light saber she emphatically defeats Kylo, who at that point is the most feared member of the First Order. It was comically unrealistic.

 

[wizards8507]

Hahaha "if you watch the movie with your brain turned on." Calm down nerd.

There is absolutely nothing that proves "she had training," maybe spend less time on SW Reddit. Also, regardless if your theory is right or not, she's still a Mary Sue. The first time she pilots the MF, it's the best piloting sequence in SW history. The first time she picked up a light saber she emphatically defeats Kylo, who at that point is the most feared member of the First Order. It was comically unrealistic.

I don't do reddit.

She wasn't a good pilot in that sequence. I agree it was a terrible sequence, but it wasn't good piloting. She was smashing the thing all over the place. The stupid part was how this POS ship that's supposed to be falling apart is crashing into things and scraping the ground yet still able to outrun TIE fighters.

She was able to beat Kylo Ren because he had taken a bolt from Chewbacca's bowcaster in the ribs an hour earlier. They spent time establishing how powerful that weapon is and how Kylo was seriously wounded under his robes.

Also, we don't know how powerful Kylo is supposed to be. We know from Snoke's dialogue that he's not finished his training. Partially trained Luke was able to fight Vader to a draw in Empire, so I don't think it's unreasonable that untrained Rey was able to fight partially trained and severely wounded Kylo Ren to a draw on Starkiller Base.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

It was comically unrealistic.

This made me laugh. a criticism of events in the Star Wars universe being comically unrealistic. 😜

 

[Buster Bluth]

I rewatched Fellowship last night and my God that movie is amazing. The LOTR trilogy is easily second best of all time.

I'll never understand how Peter Jackson could see the monstrosity that the prequels were and let The Hobbit be ruined similarly.

 

[ulukinatme]

I wanted to start this so we dont spoil anything for anyone. I am hoping that all the spoiler discussions about the future movies can be kept here.

Translation: I'm hijacking the Star Wars thread(s) for my own benefit

 

[ulukinatme]

Hahaha "if you watch the movie with your brain turned on." Calm down nerd.

There is absolutely nothing that proves "she had training," maybe spend less time on SW Reddit. Also, regardless if your theory is right or not, she's still a Mary Sue. The first time she pilots the MF, it's the best piloting sequence in SW history. The first time she picked up a light saber she emphatically defeats Kylo, who at that point is the most feared member of the First Order. It was comically unrealistic.

Well, it's not like she was facing Vader. She was facing a relatively green Sith who is still learning his own powers. Rey was well versed in combat it seemed based on her time in the desert, she was used to taking care of herself. Keep in mind that Ren was also injured previously by the shot from Chewie, that could have affected the fight.

As far as the piloting, who knows. Rey seemed like she had piloting experience based on her knowledge of ships in the shipyard. I'm sure we'll learn more in the next film regarding her backstory. I'm still holding out that she's the love child of Luke and Leia.

 

[GATTACA!]

I don't do reddit.

She wasn't a good pilot in that sequence. I agree it was a terrible sequence, but it wasn't good piloting. She was smashing the thing all over the place. The stupid part was how this POS ship that's supposed to be falling apart is crashing into things and scraping the ground yet still able to outrun TIE fighters.

She was able to beat Kylo Ren because he had taken a bolt from Chewbacca's bowcaster in the ribs an hour earlier. They spent time establishing how powerful that weapon is and how Kylo was seriously wounded under his robes.

Also, we don't know how powerful Kylo is supposed to be. We know from Snoke's dialogue that he's not finished his training. Partially trained Luke was able to fight Vader to a draw in Empire, so I don't think it's unreasonable that untrained Rey was able to fight partially trained and severely wounded Kylo Ren to a draw on Starkiller Base.

Plus Kylo wasn't trying to kill Rey. You can see early in the fight he could have easily finished her off but he was toying with her. His instructions from Snoke where to bring Rey to him, not to kill her. So he was hurt, green, and holding back.

 

[Cackalacky]

Translation: I'm hijacking the Star Wars thread(s) for my own benefit

 

[calvegas04]

Just saw it and was blown away. Great job and hope the people who were involved making this movie help or make future Star Wars films

 

[irishnd31]

Really enjoyed Rogue One. Story was great and well put together. Kind of jumped around a bit too much for my liking but by the end it all ties together nicely. The one thing that has stuck with me after seeing it twice is that I just never got too attached to any of the characters and did not feel upset walking out of the theater thinking I wish I could see more of them. I'm guessing that this was intentional on the part of the film makers as this was a small fraction of the bigger Star Wars universe and this portion was told and presented as it should be, Empire builds a Death Star, Rebels steal plans for Death Star, many people died to get the information to the Rebel alliance, enter New Hope. Epic battle scenes in this movie.

After Force Awakens, I felt the exact opposite and look forward to seeing how these characters develop and where the story goes.

 

[wizards8507]

Really enjoyed Rogue One. Story was great and well put together. Kind of jumped around a bit too much for my liking but by the end it all ties together nicely. The one thing that has stuck with me after seeing it twice is that I just never got too attached to any of the characters and did not feel upset walking out of the theater thinking I wish I could see more of them. I'm guessing that this was intentional on the part of the film makers as this was a small fraction of the bigger Star Wars universe and this portion was told and presented as it should be, Empire builds a Death Star, Rebels steal plans for Death Star, many people dies to get the information to the Rebel alliance, enter New Hope. Epic battle scenes

After Force Awakens, I felt the exact opposite and look forward to seeing how these characters develop and where the story goes.

Any chance your two viewings were once in 3D and once in standard? I've only seen it in 3D so far but I've heard the CGI Tarkin looks much less fake in the regular version. I didn't have a problem with him in 3D either, just curious if you noticed a difference.

 

[irishnd31]

Any chance your two viewings were once in 3D and once in standard? I've only seen it in 3D so far but I've heard the CGI Tarkin looks much less fake in the regular version. I didn't have a problem with him in 3D either, just curious if you noticed a difference.

Saw them both in regular version and to be honest, I don't know how you could have done it any better than what was presented. If I had not known that it was not the actual actor, I would have never thought twice about it. Leia was the same for me. I would love to see this in 3D. Was that something or the only thing that really stood out to you as a negative viewing it in 3D?

 

[RDU Irish]

Enjoyed it a lot - got better as it went on IMO. Damn the rebel fleet took a beating - lending further insight to their plight at the beginning of ANH.

Where were Wedge and General Akbar? Dammit! Leia didn't need a straight on shot - I think it would have been cooler to have that from a different angle that did not have a close up.

I'm not as tuned into this as many on here - pretty much just movies and none of the other supplemental stuff. My son caught a lot as they are tying into the cartoons and books that he has read. Overall, very good job of expanding the Star Wars franchise and loved how they captured the look and feel of the old school stuff.

 

[RDU Irish]

I find 3D annoying and the glasses kind of gross. CGI was much more well done overall though.

 

[wizards8507]

Saw them both in regular version and to be honest, I don't know how you could have done it any better than what was presented. If I had not known that it was not the actual actor, I would have never thought twice about it. Leia was the same for me. I would love to see this in 3D. Was that something or the only thing that really stood out to you as a negative viewing it in 3D?

I don't really like 3D in general. I feel like I have a harder time keeping up with the action sequences. I've heard some people have gotten motion sickness from the POV X-wing shots in 3D as well. But if you generally like 3D, I'd say it's worth a viewing.

FWIW, I had zero problem with Tarkin but Leia struck me as very artificial. And the people saying they should have just left Tarkin out of the movie are dumb. He HAD to be in the movie.

I find 3D annoying and the glasses kind of gross. CGI was much more well done overall though.

Why do you find the glasses gross? Does your theater not give you fresh ones?

 

[irishnd31]

I don't really like 3D in general. I feel like I have a harder time keeping up with the action sequences. I've heard some people have gotten motion sickness from the POV X-wing shots in 3D as well. But if you generally like 3D, I'd say it's worth a viewing.

FWIW, I had zero problem with Tarkin but Leia struck me as very artificial. And the people saying they should have just left Tarkin out of the movie are dumb. He HAD to be in the movie.


Why do you find the glasses gross? Does your theater not give you fresh ones?

I agree with this completely. I thought Tarkin was amazingly well done. Leia, was well done but the close up was over the top for me. As mentioned before, they could have panned out a little. Almost like they were showing off a bit to show that they could bring a younger Leia back to life. Like you, didn't impact me negatively just a harmless and small critique.

 

[RDU Irish]

I don't really like 3D in general. I feel like I have a harder time keeping up with the action sequences. I've heard some people have gotten motion sickness from the POV X-wing shots in 3D as well. But if you generally like 3D, I'd say it's worth a viewing.

FWIW, I had zero problem with Tarkin but Leia struck me as very artificial. And the people saying they should have just left Tarkin out of the movie are dumb. He HAD to be in the movie.


Why do you find the glasses gross? Does your theater not give you fresh ones?

I also check my glasses and silverware at restaurants. You would be surprised how often they are not that clean. Much as I don't want some stranger's lipstick on my water glass I really don't want to shove some strangers glasses on my face.

I also find it hard to follow action sequences or anything else where you are looking around the screen instead of the primary focal point. They do such a good job with the periphery and subtle visual cues that I imagine it would drive me nuts trying to things up.

 

[wizards8507]

I also check my glasses and silverware at restaurants. You would be surprised how often they are not that clean. Much as I don't want some stranger's lipstick on my water glass I really don't want to shove some strangers glasses on my face.

They give you a new pair every time and then they're recycled. They're not "some stranger's glasses," they're single-use.

It's not like MuppetVision at Walt Disney World.