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A level I violation for lying to the NCAA is actually a big deal. Level I violations are no joke, and they taking lying seriously because they don't have subpoena power so they rely on people not bullshitting them.
 
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Whiskeyjack said:
I get the sentiment, but this is the same sort of injustice that we catch from time to time. Can't cheer for it lest we tempt fate.

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Except that it HAS happened to ND repeatedly
 
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Unless the NCAA brings down the hammer on Michigan with lots of scholarship reductions, I hope it's very light. The only thing keeping Michigan from doing well on the recruiting trail besides Harbaugh's soirees with the NFL is the fact they are completely coloring in the lines when it comes to NIL moreso than even ND and following the NCAA guidance. The NCAA has shown they have no appetite to go after anything NIL, inducement, or collective related. If that were to change Michigan could easily ride the momentum of the last two years + inducements and get top 5 classes. Would truly hate to see that more than anything.

I can't believe I want Michigan to get off easy, but that's what CFB in 2023 has come to.
 
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I realize you are joking.
But just saying this to say it: if Pedo State didn’t get the death penalty, no one is ever getting the death penalty ever again,
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That was a jurisdictional issue, though. That form of criminal behavior isn't in the NCAA's grant of authority. PSU essentially volunteered to not fight the punishment, and had the back end of the punishment wiped out when some state legislators (I think) filed suit.
 
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notredomer23 said:
Unless the NCAA brings down the hammer on Michigan with lots of scholarship reductions, I hope it's very light. The only thing keeping Michigan from doing well on the recruiting trail besides Harbaugh's soirees with the NFL is the fact they are completely coloring in the lines when it comes to NIL moreso than even ND and following the NCAA guidance. If that were to change they could easily ride the momentum of the last two years + inducements and get top 5 classes. Would truly hate to see that more than anything.

I can't believe I want Michigan to get off easy, but that's what CFB in 2023 has come to.
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This seems analogous to the Ohio State situation with Terrell Pryor, et al. The NCAA will probably look to punish Harbaugh personally.

How much probably depends on what he actually did. Tressel got a show cause for filing a false affidavit.
 
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Pops Freshenmeyer said:
That was a jurisdictional issue, though. That form of criminal behavior isn't in the NCAA's grant of authority. PSU essentially volunteered to not fight the punishment, and had the back end of the punishment wiped out when some state legislators (I think) filed suit.
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I get all that. Ethically, the NCAA had a duty to find a way to DP them anyway, imo. 🤷‍♂️

Not starting a discussion on it. That’s just how I’ve always felt and how I will always feel about it until the end of time regardless of legalities.
 
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Pops Freshenmeyer said:
This seems analogous to the Ohio State situation with Terrell Pryor, et al. The NCAA will probably look to punish Harbaugh personally.

How much probably depends on what he actually did. Tressel got a show cause for filing a false affidavit.
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I hope you're right and that my worst (maybe irrational) fears are not realized haha
 
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stlnd01 said:
Yep. Harbaugh is a good coach but not really a great recruiter. Since we don't play them, the fact that he's a good coach doesn't actually affect us all that much. But a better/more aggressive recruiter in that job would be a problem.
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I think this is a pretty false statement. Michigan’s recruiting has been fine. They only recently took a dip this past cycle because he was basically gone. They won’t be 17th next cycle.
 
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Blazers46 said:
I think this is a pretty false statement. Michigan’s recruiting has been fine. They only recently took a dip this past cycle because he was basically gone. They won’t be 17th next cycle.
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They’re “fine” in the same way Notre Dame was “fine” under BK. They are roughly what you would expect Michigan to be. Strong on in-state kids. Competitive in Chicagoland. Pipeline to Catholic/private schools in New Jersey and New England.

But Harbaugh is not a plus as a recruiter (neither was BK) in the way that Freeman is. That currently gives us an advantage. And going forward increasingly you will need a plus recruiter to compete for top recruits, especially if you’re not a big NIL school (which they’re not).

I would expect we’ll beat them head-to-head more for kids we want when it’s Freeman vs. Harbaugh. If a better recruiter were to replace Harbaugh that might change. Is what I mean.
 
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Pops Freshenmeyer said:
That was a jurisdictional issue, though. That form of criminal behavior isn't in the NCAA's grant of authority. PSU essentially volunteered to not fight the punishment, and had the back end of the punishment wiped out when some state legislators (I think) filed suit.
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On the 30 for 30 about SMU they talked about how the NCAA didn’t realize how bad it would be for that one year ban, not expecting it to kill the program for 20+ years, & said they would never do it again.
So even if they could, the NCAA wasn’t going to ban a team for a year (which isn’t technically a death penalty, it just turned out to kill that program).
 
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ThePiombino said:
If it's not Notre Dame, the NCAA simply doesn't care. Nothing will come of this.
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It sounds like Harbaugh might face a game or two suspension, which is very unfortunate for scUM considering they play a few juggernauts in ECU, UNLV and Bowling Green, all at home. I have no idea how they can survive that slate without Jimmy boy.
 
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Some Irish Bloke said:
It sounds like Harbaugh might face a game or two suspension, which is very unfortunate for scUM considering they play a few juggernauts in ECU, UNLV and Bowling Green, all at home. I have no idea how they can survive that slate without Jimmy boy.
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Seriously.
 
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Jiggafini19Deux said:
Jim Harbaugh is going to have an NFL job soon enough. Carolina Panthers maybe?
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They reportedly spoke, but it wasn't a formal interview; he followed up that conversation with the Panthers' owner saying that he "expects to coach at Michigan." FWIW. If the Colts reach out, I'm sure he'll be very interested.

NFL teams can't start interviews with existing coaches until three days after Week 18 games have concluded, which would be next Thursday. So, maybe they're just biding time, but it doesn't sound like anything serious came from that discussion.
 
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Saw something that said the violation was Harbaugh buying two recruits hamburgers. If that true, wtf are we doing here? NCAA can’t find anything better to waste their time with?
 
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IrishLax said:
Again, the best thing for us is for Harbaugh to stay at Michigan. You all don't understand how lazy he has been this past year and how much he has killed their recruiting of HS players. Michigan effectively signed ZERO players with active ND offers. ND signed multiple guys that Michigan wanted badly and the gap between Freeman & Harbaugh was a factor for many of them.

He is a good coach, but we don't play Michigan. We do recruit against Michigan. A hungrier guy in that role or a better NIL program from Michigan could be a major thorn in ND's side. Right now they are just treading water.
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247 ratings for their classes below. Seems very likely that the NFL flirtation has caused the last class to finish low. I still think Harbaugh inking a long-term deal with Michigan with large buyout is much worse than him staying. We want the guy who is 25-3 with two playoff appearances the last two seasons to stay? As others noted, he’s hitting the portal hard as well.

2023: #17
2022: #9
2021: #13
2020: #10
2019: #8
2018: #22
2017: #5
2016: #8
 
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GATTACA! said:
Saw something that said the violation was Harbaugh buying two recruits hamburgers. If that true, wtf are we doing here? NCAA can’t find anything better to waste their time with?
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That would be a level 2 violation, which is nothing. You can have those all the time. The Level 1 violation, which is the problem, was for lying or misleading the investigators.
 
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Reaper97 said:
That would be a level 2 violation, which is nothing. You can have those all the time. The Level 1 violation, which is the problem, was for lying or misleading the investigators.
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What is there to lie about? Did he get caught being cheap and told investigators It was really steak?
 
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Blazers46 said:
What is there to lie about? Did he get caught being cheap and told investigators It was really steak?
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I haven’t heard the hamburger detail, just that the Michigan staff was contacting recruits during the Covid dead period (Level 2) and Harbaugh lied to investigators about it (Level 1).
 
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