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Pops Freshenmeyer

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Counterpoint: possibly denying the Buckeyes a shot at the playoffs due to cancelling the game is such sweet pettiness.

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Except giving them advance notice allows for a contingency plan. If they really wanted to screw OSU they would have done this Thursday or Friday of next week.
 

zelezo vlk

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Except giving them advance notice allows for a contingency plan. If they really wanted to screw OSU they would have done this Thursday or Friday of next week.

That's why you cancel this week's game now and next week's game next Thursday or Friday...
 

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https://theoutsidezone.substack.com/p/whats-wrong-with-the-michigan-defense

Inject this right into my veins:

It isn’t like this is new for Brown or the Wolverines, either. Ohio State has killed Michigan with game plans exactly like this and a talent advantage for Ryan Day’s entire tenure in Columbus. The book is out on beating this group and when it’s down like this and every conference opponent now has the book, the results are going to be, understandably, pretty awful.

Does that mean that Brown’s tenure is untenable, and that there’s no fix here that could arrive in time to save Harbaugh’s job? I think it certainly could. The talent isn’t likely to improve any time soon and offenses aren’t going to suddenly get worse in the Big Ten, meaning that the only real stop gap here would be a shift to more cover 3, or a full embrace of that edge drop look used on that last RPO.

Without that, though, there’s just not much to be encouraged about here, especially with the Buckeyes on deck in a few weeks. I don’t feel as strongly anti-Harbaugh as a lot of people do, and I don’t think that his tenure is completely doomed, but this defense is bad news, much more so than the offense. There are fundamental flaws here that seem too significant to overcome without a large shift in recruiting and development strategies, and I really don’t see Michigan making those necessary changes. If it doesn’t, expect more of the same on RPOs and quick-hit passing plays for the rest of this season, and likely for the rest of Brown’s tenure, which seems to be staring down its conclusion right now.
 

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And yet ND got smashed last year. That's always been my gripe with Kelly. Some inexplicable loss that's so bad.
 

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And yet ND got smashed last year. That's always been my gripe with Kelly. Some inexplicable loss that's so bad.

And we smashed them the year before that. Purdue embarrassed OSU in 2018. Auburn's hung a bunch of improbable losses on Bama. Weird sh!t happens in rivalry games. I know that game was personally very painful for you due to all the time you spend around UM fans, but you can't hold that against Kelly personally. We're not yet at a Bama/ Clemson/ OSU level of consistent dominance, and even once we are, no one's immune to losses like that.
 

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Amazing how we can be having such an amazing year, watching scUM struggle severely and yet someone still has to slam BK.
 

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I feel like Phork thinks the 2019 was the most emotionally damaging moment in our ND lives, and we're all sitting around like the Greyjoys remembering 2011. "What is dead can never die."

It would be more upsetting if we weren't undefeated since then, or if they weren't a meme team at this point.
 

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And yet ND got smashed last year. That's always been my gripe with Kelly. Some inexplicable loss that's so bad.

As much as I hate Michigan, and I hate them more than any sports team, I'm okay with dropping the occasional rivalry game if it means we're winning all the games we normally should as we are right now. Anything can happen in rivalry games, they mean that much more. Losing to teams like NC State, Syracuse, and Tulsa...those are inexcusable.
 

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And we smashed them the year before that. Purdue embarrassed OSU in 2018. Auburn's hung a bunch of improbable losses on Bama. Weird sh!t happens in rivalry games. I know that game was personally very painful for you due to all the time you spend around UM fans, but you can't hold that against Kelly personally. We're not yet at a Bama/ Clemson/ OSU level of consistent dominance, and even once we are, no one's immune to losses like that.

My point is not a one off thing. Seemingly every year ND has not only lost a game they shouldn't have but look bad doing it.

Amazing how we can be having such an amazing year, watching scUM struggle severely and yet someone still has to slam BK.

I'm not slamming him in the present. Clearly this year t lhe team is performing at a level we haven't seen in a very long time. But am I wrong with my assertion? Looking at our previous schedules, 4-8 season excluded.
 

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My point is not a one off thing. Seemingly every year ND has not only lost a game they shouldn't have but look bad doing it.



I'm not slamming him in the present. Clearly this year t lhe team is performing at a level we haven't seen in a very long time. But am I wrong with my assertion? Looking at our previous schedules, 4-8 season excluded.

Sometimes upsets happen, that’s why we play the games. You try to a avoid them, but eventually even the elite of the elite will drop one they shouldn’t.

And what exactly is a game we shouldn’t lose? Pre-season rankings are misleading because they are all based on speculation and projections. Look at the 247 College Team Rankings: https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/ It compiles the recruiting total for all players on a teams roster, going back Kelly’s teams are usually ranked in the 8-14 range. Last year we were number 14 and lost to numbers 11 (Mich) and 3 (Georgia) overall teams in terms of total recruited talent. We beat teams ranked 4 (USC), 20 (Stanford), and 29 (VT). With a couple of top 5 finishes during his tenure, and at worst falling somewhere in that range this year, I’d say he’s been doing a good job with what he’s had, especially considering our schedules are usually among the most difficult.
 

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Why are we talking about last year's game with that crappy program?

Today, I had two big, healthy skunkbears. My constipation is no more. And that's really all that skunkbears should be talked about: staying regular.

Of course, I've been sipping Rebel Yell 100 proof all night but still, I think my point is valid.
 

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Let’s talk about the game before at our place where we blew the SkunkBears out. Why are we forgetting that?
 

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So has Don Brown devolved into a present day Jon Tenuta?

I was going to post the other day about how Brown is seemingly going down the route of BVG but Tenuta would be another. These old DC’s have a system and refuse to change that system based on personnel and opponent. And there is just too many variances of offenses, speed on offense, and turnover within programs for that. What makes Lea great is he has a base system but is willing to vary from that, sometimes significantly, based on opponent and personnel. Remove the ego and just coach defense based on what you have and what you are defending.
 

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I was going to post the other day about how Brown is seemingly going down the route of BVG but Tenuta would be another. These old DC’s have a system and refuse to change that system based on personnel and opponent. And there is just too many variances of offenses, speed on offense, and turnover within programs for that. What makes Lea great is he has a base system but is willing to vary from that, sometimes significantly, based on opponent and personnel. Remove the ego and just coach defense based on what you have and what you are defending.

Your last sentence is what separates the great from the un-employed. Some just can't separate the two and that's why they end up looking for jobs. It is always going to be Jimmy's and Joe's > X's and O's, that's just the bottom line.
 

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I was going to post the other day about how Brown is seemingly going down the route of BVG but Tenuta would be another. These old DC’s have a system and refuse to change that system based on personnel and opponent. And there is just too many variances of offenses, speed on offense, and turnover within programs for that. What makes Lea great is he has a base system but is willing to vary from that, sometimes significantly, based on opponent and personnel. Remove the ego and just coach defense based on what you have and what you are defending.

Such a good point. His three safety look against USC in 2019 was a great example of this.
 

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Michigan's season sounds like some guy got the monkey's paw and said "I just don't want to lose to OSU".

A finger curls, Michigan loses all home games, but The Game is cancelled.
 

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I was going to post the other day about how Brown is seemingly going down the route of BVG but Tenuta would be another. These old DC’s have a system and refuse to change that system based on personnel and opponent. And there is just too many variances of offenses, speed on offense, and turnover within programs for that. What makes Lea great is he has a base system but is willing to vary from that, sometimes significantly, based on opponent and personnel. Remove the ego and just coach defense based on what you have and what you are defending.

Yes, they can go from brilliant coordinator to “the game has passed him by” in a blink of an eye. It happens on the offensive side too. Look at Chip Kelly....He devised a brilliant offensive scheme that he took w/ him to Oregon where he helped put that program on the national map. He capitalizes on that success w/ two NFL HC jobs before returning to CFB. During that time away, defensive minds were able to contain his offense so now he has to adapt or die (which with his buyout may be a long death for UCLA fans).
 

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What a pathetic program. Using Covid as a scapegoat to not have to play. They can’t even lose like men or with dignity.

COVID is not a scapegoat. And Michigan, the state, is a hellscape of infection.

As a sidenote, the HC for OSU has COVID right now, and Saban just had it last week, as well, so it is not like this is not something we can say is a scapegoat. It is just a reality.

Additionally, Harbaugh is an embarrassment.
 

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I was going to post the other day about how Brown is seemingly going down the route of BVG but Tenuta would be another. These old DC’s have a system and refuse to change that system based on personnel and opponent. And there is just too many variances of offenses, speed on offense, and turnover within programs for that. What makes Lea great is he has a base system but is willing to vary from that, sometimes significantly, based on opponent and personnel. Remove the ego and just coach defense based on what you have and what you are defending.

Excellent point. It is why Wisconsin was able to compete much more than they supposedly should have been when Alvarez was there imo. He had that same mentality as a DC and HC, and it filtered throughout the staff.
 

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They need to schedule BYU. They’d be a more competitive option than anything the B1G can offer at this point.

I was thinking the exact same thing.
It would help BYU too. They win, and they have a path too.
 
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