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Right, it'll be very interesting to see if anyone has the balls to do it. I imagine a national reporter from The Athletic or SI - if in attendance - might do it.

Honestly, transparency is probably the best bet for Urban.

Something like "this was his third strike" after the protection order was requested and granted.

Still a shitty explanation as to why Smith was kept on in 2009 and again in 2015, considering Urban's supposed "no nonsense" approach to issues against women, but it would at least be an honest take.
 

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Timeline of Events
June 21, 2009: Zach Smith alleged assault on pregnant wife
October 2015: Zach Smith arrested for felony assault & domestic violence (Case Open)
May 12, 2018: Zach Smith arrested for criminal trespassing
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ohio State fires assistant coach Zach Smith after string of domestic violence allegations<a href="https://t.co/9vLyABMgj8">https://t.co/9vLyABMgj8</a></p>— Barrett Sallee (@BarrettSallee) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarrettSallee/status/1021742294981074944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Barrett Sallee from CBS Sports mentions the October 2015 incident and I don't know what the details are other than the case is ongoing so more information could come out, but idk.
Brett McMurphy 7/23/18 5:05AM

A domestic violence civil protection order was filed against Ohio State wide receivers coach and recruiting coordinator Zach Smith on Friday.

The protection order, filed by Smith’s ex-wife Courtney Smith, 33, was served at 6:10 p.m. Friday, according to a Delaware (Ohio) County police spokesperson.

The order continues a history of domestic violence allegations against Zach Smith.

In 2009, when he was a University of Florida assistant, he was arrested for aggravated battery on a pregnant victim, according to a Gainesville Police Department report. Courtney Smith was 8-10 weeks pregnant at the time.

That alleged assault occurred on June 21, 2009 – the Smith’s one-year wedding anniversary. Courtney Smith, however, ultimately decided not to press charges.

On Wednesday, Zach Smith, 34, also was charged with a misdemeanor charge of criminal trespassing, according to an arrest report from Delaware Municipal Court. The criminal trespassing charge was for dropping their son off at his ex-wife’s house – and not at a pre-arranged public place – which was a violation of an earlier criminal trespass warning. That warning was provided to him on Dec. 19, 2017, according to the criminal complaint.

Ohio State issued a statement Monday on Smith, who is the grandson of former Buckeyes coach Earle Bruce.

"We are not going to comment at this time on the situation regarding Zach Smith. This is a personnel matter and we don’t typically discuss such matters publicly. We are continuing to monitor."

Smith has been part of Urban Meyer’s staffs for 11 seasons – at Florida from 2005-09 and at Ohio State from 2012-17. Between those stints, he was an assistant at Marshall in 2010 and Temple in 2011. Marshall was coached by Doc Holliday, a former UF assistant under Meyer, and Temple was coached by Steve Addazio, another former UF assistant under Meyer.

The domestic violence civil protection order served to Zach Smith on Friday is for five years, unless reversed by a judge in an Aug. 3 hearing, a City of Delaware police spokesperson said. The protection order issued Friday prohibits Zach Smith from getting within 500 feet of his ex-wife.

The ruling states: “the court finds that (Courtney Smith) is in immediate and present danger of domestic violence and for good cause the following temporary orders are necessary to protect the persons named (Courtney Smith and her children Cameron, 8, and Quinn, 6) in this order from domestic violence.”

The Smiths were divorced on Sept. 1, 2016.

On June 21, 2009, according to a Gainesville (Fla.) Police Incident report, Courtney, then 24, stated her husband Zach, then 25, “picked her up by grabbing her T-shirt and threw her against the bedroom wall located upstairs in their apartment.”

Courtney told officers Zach arrived at the residence “with an unknown female co-worker that he was partying with” and Courtney “refused to have the unknown female, who Zach kept referring to as ‘baby,’ spend the night at their residence.”

Courtney stated “a verbal argument took place over the female and questions of infidelity arose. Courtney stated Zach was intoxicated and she took the female to her house. … Courtney stated when she returned to her residence, a heated argument ensued in the upstairs bedroom. Courtney stated she tried to get Zach out of her bed, which he refused and then forcefully grabbed her.”

The report said “Zach advised (officers) he works for UF Florida Gators as an assistant coach for the football team. Zach stated that he brought the female (co-worker) home because she was upset from breaking up with her boyfriend. … Zach stated that Courtney yelled at him and denied picking her up and throwing her into a wall. Zach had a visible red mark on his right bicep that he claimed was a result of breaking up a fight downtown at a club.

“(The officers) observed that Courtney’s shirt had been stretched just above her right breast. Courtney’s account of the incident was consistent with the redness to Zach’s right bicep because she advised that she attempted to hit him while he was picking her up.

“From the statements made on scene, (the officers) determined Zach was the primary aggressor.” He was then handcuffed and arrested.

Eight days later, Courtney decided not to press charges, according to the report.

The criminal trespassing case against Zach Smith on Wednesday was continued for a final pretrial hearing, according to Zach Smith’s attorney.

Bradley Koffel, Zach’s attorney, told the Columbus Dispatch last week that Zach was “just beside himself” after the trespassing violation. “He didn’t do anything illegal and now it’s coming out that he’s some sort of wife-beater, trespasser, whatever.”

Smith is the only remaining assistant from Meyer’s first staff after Meyer took over at Ohio State in 2012.
This is Brett McMurphy's facebook post including the police reports which give more insight into the events.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">More from Urban Meyer regarding the firing of Zach Smith, why he did it now if he knew about the 2009 allegation <a href="https://t.co/K4i8xS1GE7">https://t.co/K4i8xS1GE7</a></p>— Bill Landis (@BillLandis25) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillLandis25/status/1021778102106693632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Bill Landis, Cleveland.com Ohio State insider, wrote an article quoting a lot of Urban Meyer's press conference from today. Here is an excerpt from it...
While addressing the media later at the podium, Meyer was asked why he fired Smith now if he's known about the allegation in 2009 and couldn't find evidence of another incident in 2015. He admitted that it becoming public knowledge played a part, and that the recent incident that led to the protective order led him to make the decision.


"The decision was made," he said. "I think the details I'm obligated to give, I gave. You're talking about people's lives. So a decision was made and it's time to move forward ... We are in a public world. I try not to operate (in that), especially when talking about personnel and people. Because it became public, to say that doesn't have something to do with it, it does a little bit.
I really sincerely hope these details are gone over by some of these recruits and their parents or even the parents of the WR's who are currently at Ohio State. I mean it is despicable to have a head coach who knows about these different details and doesn't take any action until the 3rd alleged incident. Obviously a lot of these things are contingent on what actually happened inside the Smith residence during these 3 incidents, but either way this is not a good look and really, really disappointing to see.
 

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Urban's explanation is pretty weak. Maybe he will be able to give a better one to the mom's of his players and recruits when they come asking. Either way... it is pure BS that this guy was kept around.
 

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Listening to the video clip, he's on thin ice. Could this be the beginning of the end for Urban Liar?

https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/07/24/zach-smith-fired-urban-meyer-ohio-state-football

Anybody look at the OSU board to see what they say?

In short: Urban is the victim, the media is using the situation simply to attack him. Urban and Shelly previously helped get Zack and his wife into counseling, but there's no way he could have known about 2015 cause he said so.

I used to have access to a rumor board on one of their sites, but I would have to login to do it, and I simply refuse. I said I wouldn't login there anymore and I haven't since 2015.
 

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In short: Urban is the victim, the media is using the situation simply to attack him. Urban and Shelly previously helped get Zack and his wife into counseling, but there's no way he could have known about 2015 cause he said so.

I used to have access to a rumor board on one of their sites, but I would have to login to do it, and I simply refuse. I said I wouldn't login there anymore and I haven't since 2015.

Urbie zealots are on par with Donald Trump's voter base
 

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In short: Urban is the victim, the media is using the situation simply to attack him. Urban and Shelly previously helped get Zack and his wife into counseling, but there's no way he could have known about 2015 cause he said so.

I used to have access to a rumor board on one of their sites, but I would have to login to do it, and I simply refuse. I said I wouldn't login there anymore and I haven't since 2015.

Urbie zealots are on par with Donald Trump's voter base

I lurk on 11W, and they have a decent population of posters who are asking the right questions, surprisingly. Why now? Why did Urban change his tune about the 2015 incident over night?

The really funny thing is that the 11W staff supposedly knew about all of these incidents leading up to the protection order that ultimately got him fired, and they knew about them for a long time. But they sat on the info because “it’s not their job to meddle in the affairs of the school or to activate the rumor mill.” But they are a message board that has writers that break news, and they literally make their money on the basis of the rumor mill. And that doesn’t even take into account the implication that they somehow found an unfindable police report from 2015, and yet Urban somehow didn’t know about it.
 

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I lurk on 11W, and they have a decent population of posters who are asking the right questions, surprisingly. Why now? Why did Urban change his tune about the 2015 incident over night?

The really funny thing is that the 11W staff supposedly knew about all of these incidents leading up to the protection order that ultimately got him fired, and they knew about them for a long time. But they sat on the info because “it’s not their job to meddle in the affairs of the school or to activate the rumor mill.” But they are a message board that has writers that break news, and they literally make their money on the basis of the rumor mill. And that doesn’t even take into account the implication that they somehow found an unfindable police report from 2015, and yet Urban somehow didn’t know about it.

Brah, Urban said he didn't know, so he didn't know! It's easier for people separated from the University to stay connected and informed, Urban was too close to the situation to see what was happening.
 

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Andrew Lind just CB'd Geirean Hatchett and Turner Corcoran to OSU.

They have commitments from Luke Wypler, Jake Wray and Paris Johnson already and are thought to lead for Justin Rogers.

R&R wise, that's a sick haul even if they lose one.
 

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Andrew Lind just CB'd Geirean Hatchett and Turner Corcoran to OSU.

They have commitments from Luke Wypler, Jake Wray and Paris Johnson already and are thought to lead for Justin Rogers.

R&R wise, that's a sick haul even if they lose one.

Does anyone ever say ND has a sick haul? :whoknows:
 

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Does anyone ever say ND has a sick haul? :whoknows:

2017 Class - OSU
.9876 5* Wyatt Davis
.9757 4* Josh Myers
.8985 4* Thayer Munford

2017 Class - Notre Dame
.9605 4* Robert Hainsey
.9443 4* Joshua Lugg
.9301 4* Aaron Banks
.8847 3* Dillan Gibbons

2018 Class - OSU
.9963 5* Nicholas Petit-Frere
.9652 4* Matthew Jones
.9473 4* Max Wray

2018 Class - Notre Dame
.8912 4* Jarrett Patterson
.8776 3* John Dirksen
.8776 3* Luke Jones
.8655 3* Cole Mabry

2019 Class - Ohio State
.9826 4* Harry Miller
.9642 4* Doug Nester
.9027 4* Ryan Jacoby

2019 Class - Notre Dame
.9564 4* Quinn Carroll
.9309 4* John Olmstead
.9294 4* Zeke Correll
.8962 4* Andrew Kristofic

Notre Dame’s haul 2019 is amazing no doubt but over the course of the last three cycles Ohio State has definitely had a better haul in terms of ratings. If ND keeps up the 2019 level of recruiting into 2020 and beyond then they have a shot to even up those ratings that Ohio State has been beating up ND in.
 

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Does anyone ever say ND has a sick haul? :whoknows:

Yeah... me, the author of the infamous, Welcome to O-Line U thread back on 4-20-'15. A thread so controversial in its day that a mod buried it in some umbrella O-Line thread. That was Crusada-domus at his best. All but described which shipping company would deliver the Joe Moore Award.


The talking heads of college football haven't declared this yet and there will be plenty here who'll argue that their play on the field has yet to earn the title but when you add up what the Irish put into the League last year, what they could have put into the League this year, what will go into the League next year, what's currently on campus, what's coming to campus and what's committed in '16 & '17... It's official in my book, O-Line U resides in South Bend, IN.

If you don't agree, remember... If you have the winning Powerball #'s on a ticket but haven't turned it in, you aren't rich yet but you have the winner in your possession and it's just a matter of time before you are.

Sometime around 2020 we'll all look back at what was / is one of the greatest runs in position strength we've ever seen.

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Yeah... me, the author of the infamous, Welcome to O-Line U thread back on 4-20-'15. A thread so controversial in its day that a mod buried it in some umbrella O-Line thread. That was Crusada-domus at his best. All but described which shipping company would deliver the Joe Moore Award.

Just to be clear, I was not attacking you. I don't get on forums for other schools so I never get a chance to see if others are envious of our recruits. I feel like we are always pointing out other schools making big moves though. Not that it is wrong to do so, I just only get one side so I was curious if other boards say same things.
 

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Just to be clear, I was not attacking you. I don't get on forums for other schools so I never get a chance to see if others are envious of our recruits. I feel like we are always pointing out other schools making big moves though. Not that it is wrong to do so, I just only get one side so I was curious if other boards say same things.

Pretty sure you would find the same thing on other forums.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Text messages I have obtained, an exclusive interview w/the victim & other information I have learned shows Ohio State coach Urban Meyer knew in 2015 of domestic abuse allegations against a member of his coaching staff despite his denial last week <a href="https://t.co/fcxi8GKyeI">https://t.co/fcxi8GKyeI</a></p>— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1024661186976141312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I genuinely wonder if Urban can survive this.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Text messages I have obtained, an exclusive interview w/the victim & other information I have learned shows Ohio State coach Urban Meyer knew in 2015 of domestic abuse allegations against a member of his coaching staff despite his denial last week <a href="https://t.co/fcxi8GKyeI">https://t.co/fcxi8GKyeI</a></p>— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1024661186976141312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I genuinely wonder if Urban can survive this.

No italics?
 

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I genuinely wonder if Urban can survive this.

I would love to be all aboard the "Urban is a monster" train, and I haven't been following this closely at all, but is the only thing alleged that he knew that a member of his coaching staff had been accused of domestic abuse on which no charges were ever brought?
 

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Now he'll absolutely probably never ever most likely be the next HC at ND.

Daggumit.
 

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I would love to be all aboard the "Urban is a monster" train, and I haven't been following this closely at all, but is the only thing alleged that he knew that a member of his coaching staff had been accused of domestic abuse on which no charges were ever brought?

Did you read that full post from McMurphy?

It's clear that Urban knew what a POS Smith was back in 2015, but he ignored it (after having seen one incident in 2009), and went to bat for the guy for another three years, denying it and blatantly lying to the media (and probably his employer).

Put his knowledge of an incident that was obviously worthy of a firing, combined with his #RealLifeWednesday and #RespectWomen movements? Yikes.

It's also worth noting that Jim Tressel was fired for lying about his players getting tattoos.

Urban just got caught lying about protecting a serial domestic abuser.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Zach Smith's ex-wife says Urban Meyer knew about abuse allegations in 2015: <a href="https://t.co/yw9CLT4Mn8">https://t.co/yw9CLT4Mn8</a> <a href="https://t.co/QJBDDfnNRI">pic.twitter.com/QJBDDfnNRI</a></p>— Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/1024678158006661121?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Maybe the next Real Life Wednesday will be about .......

Lying about domestic abuse can get you fired. Now that is Real Life.

Urbs is the ultimate snake oil salesman.
 

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This is all that needs to be done. Drop a few of these and his azz is toast.

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I don't care about the details or what's just, I simply have an irrational hatred for OSU and anything that brings the program back to earth is ok by me... and that starts with Urban disappearing into a #metoo induced banishment.
 
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