'25 MS QB Deuce Knight Auburn Verbal Ole Miss ???

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Quarterback
Lucedale, MS
George County

Measurements
Ht: 6'4"
Wt: 185

Ratings
247: .................. :s::s::s::s: #8 QB, #66 OA, 93 Rating
247 Comp: ..... :s::s::s::s: #8 QB, #51 OA, .9729
Rivals: ............... :s::s::s::s: #1 QB-D, #52 OA, 5.9
ESPN: ................ :s::s::s::s: #2 QB-D, #133 OA, 82
On3: ................. :s::s::s::s: #6 QB, #54 OA, 94


Offers
Notre Dame ......... Offered 3-17-23 ....... Committed 9-18-23
Auburn
Bama
Colorado
Georgia
Indiana
Louisville
Memphis
Miami
Mississippi St
Oregon
Ole Miss
S Carolina
TCU
Tennessee
Texas A&M
Tulsa
USF
Vandy
Va Tech
Washington
FAMU
JSU
SoMiss

 
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Blazers46

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if my family was poor and I could get my parents six figure jobs (with contracts), I’d have to bite. NiL and NFL isn’t guaranteed.
I’d pass. I know too much about my parents and know they would find a way to fuck it up and money would make their life worse and everyone around them.
 

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Quite literally, few on this board are boiling it down to just money in the harsh way you are equating
Me thinks doth protest too much.

Agree it's only a few on here, but you're most definitely lumped into the group.

In fact, you were a primary muse for my original post.

Again, gross--

think solely of IMMEDIATE economic impact, immediate life changing money

THEN Of course a player, a family isn’t going to say it’s about money. People have pride. The excuses will be about culture, team culture, better fit, etc, everything but cash.

I’m convinced that any big time athletes we get have to (3) have strong parental influence. Because the lore of ND is not beating out the SEC nor their bag persuasion (this includes vehicles, jobs for family, etc.), especially not for the majority of southern kids.

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Coming as in committed. Told ND and commits he's still committed and going to be committed to ND.

Auburn was informed he's coming. Whether that was from Deuce or parents or others is unclear from the post.

My two cents, but Loy/Singer/others keep mentioning get to the season and if it plays out how we expect, it should die down... I disagree. it's just going to continue. The SEC voices will only get louder. I hope he ends up at ND, but what's the point of fighting for him if the longer you wait, the tougher it becomes to find a replacement?

Coming as in committed. Told ND and commits he's still committed and going to be committed to ND.

Auburn was informed he's coming. Whether that was from Deuce or parents or others is unclear from the post.

My two cents, but Loy/Singer/others keep mentioning get to the season and if it plays out how we expect, it should die down... I disagree. it's just going to continue. The SEC voices will only get louder. I hope he ends up at ND, but what's the point of fighting for him if the longer you wait, the tougher it becomes to find a replacement?
Whats the point if fighting for him? Strap your balls on dude…
 

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Whats the point if fighting for him? Strap your balls on dude…

The longer they fight for Deuce, the tougher it is to get a replacement. Next year’s QB situation almost guarantees one of them transfer. What type of portal QB wants to come in to be the back up? You’re looking at a 2 QB room next year without a replacement
 

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The longer they fight for Deuce, the tougher it is to get a replacement. Next year’s QB situation almost guarantees one of them transfer. What type of portal QB wants to come in to be the back up? You’re looking at a 2 QB room next year without a replacement
I'm not normally a fan of ultimatums in recruiting but I tend to agree it would be good to resolve the Deuce situation for good before too much longer. This isn't like Peyton Bowen where at least we other safeties in the class.

Because, yeah, if he's a Signing Day flip to Auburn, we're looking at a 2025 QB room of Carr and whichever of Angeli/Minchey we can hold on to (but probably not both and no guarantee of either). Maybe we could get someone who doesn't sign in December, or the sort of transfer who's willing to come be a backup, but those are generally not great talent pools. 2026 wouldn't be much better, just a true freshman Grubbs for depth. (assuming he sticks)

That said, I don't think you "give up" on Deuce. I think you make him your last, best and final offer and you tell him that by some date (the start of the season?) he's got to shut things down with other parties. or we start going after other QBs.
 

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I'm not normally a fan of ultimatums in recruiting but I tend to agree it would be good to resolve the Deuce situation for good before too much longer. This isn't like Peyton Bowen where at least we other safeties in the class.

Because, yeah, if he's a Signing Day flip to Auburn, we're looking at a 2025 QB room of Carr and whichever of Angeli/Minchey we can hold on to (but probably not both and no guarantee of either). Maybe we could get someone who doesn't sign in December, or the sort of transfer who's willing to come be a backup, but those are generally not great talent pools. 2026 wouldn't be much better, just a true freshman Grubbs for depth. (assuming he sticks)

That said, I don't think you "give up" on Deuce. I think you make him your last, best and final offer and you tell him that by some date (the start of the season?) he's got to shut things down with other parties. or we start going after other QBs.
Agree. I think Freeman needs to not get Moore’d here. Fool me once…
 

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Losing Duece might force Freeman to name Steve the starter in the spring. Only way to make sure we keep all the quarterbacks.
 

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Losing Duece might force Freeman to name Steve the starter in the spring. Only way to make sure we keep all the quarterbacks.
Naming Steve the starter is not a way to keep the QBs. Minchey would likely leave. There is a ceiling on Steve. I would roll with one of the talented new guys in a likely rebuilding year
 

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Naming Steve the starter is not a way to keep the QBs. Minchey would likely leave. There is a ceiling on Steve. I would roll with one of the talented new guys in a likely rebuilding year
You’re right. I meant to say it’s the only way to guarantee we keep two of them.
Naming Kenny or Carr might make the other two leave.
Naming Steve might keep all three, but it definitely keeps Carr.
 

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You’re right. I meant to say it’s the only way to guarantee we keep two of them.
Naming Kenny or Carr might make the other two leave.
Naming Steve might keep all three, but it definitely keeps Carr.

IMO, most likely scenarios are they either have a candid conversation with Steve after the season that it's a Minchey vs Carr battle or he sees the writing on the wall after the spring. Can't name a starting QB until the summer, that's for sure.
 

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I think we (and more importantly the coaches) probably need to see a lot more of Carr (and even Minchey) before naming anyone anything for next season. But it's hard to see a path where all three of Carr/Minchey/Angeli are on the roster next season, and it's worrisomely easy to see a path where only one of them is.
 

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I think it's good news Deuce didn't flip yet this week many were reporting Tuesday and that's gone and past which tells me he is torn. I think he ends up waiting this out which may make Auburn move elsewhere.
 

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It's a proxy of a sort but the guys donating to put their names on a dorm aren't the same as the guys funneling money to some 17-year-old's uncle.

Stanford has the fourth-largest endowment of any school in the country. (Harvard and Yale are 1 and 2 but we'll leave them out of this. Texas is 3). It's more than twice ours (we rank #11, much like our typical recruiting class). If endowment was the same as willingness to buy players, they'd have a better team. While known NIL spenders like Oregon, Miami and Tennessee have tiny endowments. (A&M is an exception. A&M has money everywhere and a bigger endowment than we do).
Exactly. Priorities are different at different universities and it takes organization, directed goals and the pockets to produce. It seems Auburn was capable of quickly transforming their recruit-bootlegging operation into the new framework and are now competing for top prospects despite having poor results on the field. Props to them. In my eyes, the degree pales in comparison but most of the top recruits are too self-assured to imagine anything besides a long NFL career w/mansions and Maybachs.

Hopefully ND continues to adjust it's strategy because it's unlikely Deuce is in this class.
 

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I think we (and more importantly the coaches) probably need to see a lot more of Carr (and even Minchey) before naming anyone anything for next season. But it's hard to see a path where all three of Carr/Minchey/Angeli are on the roster next season, and it's worrisomely easy to see a path where only one of them is.
Unless you have a stud incumbent returning which we won't, I don't see MF naming a starter until sometime during fall camp. You never know how much any of the QB's will develop between now and then.
 

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Singer as of this morning isn’t hearing a decision happens (he is still pessimistic about Knight and wouldn’t be surprised if a flip does happen today with how things have gone).
 

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The longer they fight for Deuce, the tougher it is to get a replacement. Next year’s QB situation almost guarantees one of them transfer. What type of portal QB wants to come in to be the back up? You’re looking at a 2 QB room next year without a replacement
Spot on. The staff absolutely needs to be reaching out to other qbs and keep those relationships simmering while the deuce drama plays out. If flip happens, turn the heat up to 11.

The result should be no worse than a Minchey level qb.
 

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I think it's Carr next year, hell, maybe this year if Riley goes down or struggles to return to form. My guess is Minchey leaves next year.
 

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I think it's Carr next year, hell, maybe this year if Riley goes down or struggles to return to form. My guess is Minchey leaves next year.


Man, I hope Kenny stays. I’d love to see a two headed platoon next year with special packages for both. Let them both develop and have the incentive to stick. Who knows who’ll be better in two years after some playing time.
 

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Man, I hope Kenny stays. I’d love to see a two headed platoon next year with special packages for both. Let them both develop and have the incentive to stick. Who knows who’ll be better in two years after some playing time.
I like Minchey a lot. I like Angeli too, very solid guy even if the ceiling isn't crazy high. Carr was just damn impressive in the spring game, and for a guy that just got on campus. Normally our 3rd/4th string QBs struggle big time, but he looked comfortable in the pocket and was slinging the ball on ropes down the field. I think it's going to be hard to keep him on the bench.
 
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It’s self-evident that to secure a title, a program needs either an elite recruiter or an elite coach. Michigan and Dabo exemplify this by succeeding without perennial top-3 classes, leveraging strong QB play and trench domination instead. Notre Dame chose the great recruiter route in the NIL era—a known uphill battle. Whether Freeman was the right choice remains debatable; some, including myself, favored Fickell for his potential to maximize talent. BK’s tenure, marked by a handful of five-star recruits and an inability to develop an elite QB, underscores the need for more than just talent acquisition. Freeman has promise, but time will tell if he’s the answer. The transfer portal might prove more transformative than anticipated, and Leonard could be pivotal.
I don't see Fickell as significantly different than Kelly. Kelly wasn't an elite recruiter, what made him a good coach was development. Even if he never developed a great QB, I see that as a product of his assistant choices. Moreover, development tends to be handled moreso by assistants, so we'll see if the combination of Denbrock + Golden does the trick soon enough here.
 

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Thank you. Are you a Notre Dame fan?
Been a NOTRE Dame fan since birth I guess. My Dad bought a NOTRE Dame onesie for me to wear home from the hospital. My Grandpa attended ND until the war & when he got back home, he didn’t go back to college. We lived in Chicago but moved to Mississippi because my Mother was from ‘tha Sip’. Up until the past 10 years or so, I am not too sure there were double digit ND fans in MS. I had to order all of my ND stuff. Hahaha! Not easy being an Irish fan in the heart of sec country without a few arguments, some more violent than others as I got older.
One of my favorite memories is when Coach Holtz did a luncheon to raise money for the local Boys & Girls Club in Tupelo, MS. I still say that was the best $100 I have ever spent! That man has a way of captivating an audience!!! So, to answer your question, yes, I am a die hard, lifelong Notre Dame fan. I hav to say though, in my late teens it was tough. That’s when ND experimented with a very successful high school coach as their new head coach. I think I got my first ulcer during Coach Faust’s reign.
I don’t post a lot because I am so far from ND and most of the time have no recruit insight, but I love reading this site. I used to get on the 4 horseman’s lounge, but I messed up by asking a question after I had been away from all the college football news due to a death in my family. Man o man, those folks on there called me everything but a child of GOD! I posted why I had asked and provided the link that I had just read that made me have the question. I the. explained I didn’t know that had come out and been solved because my sister, her husband, and two children were hit by a drunk driver. Lost my sister, brother-in-law, and youngest child (my neice) instantly & my nephew held on for 9 days. I have not gotten back on that forum and will not. A couple of sicko’s made some horrible remarks about my sister & her family. I haven’t seen that on here thank goodness!!!

Anyway, sorry for the long post. I just wanted to give a little background so maybe you guys wouldn’t go 4 horsemen lounge on me & might see I am actually a fan.

My Best to All & GO IRISH!!!!
 

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I'm not sure WTF the lesson is here. You go to the plate and swing for the fences on guys like Moore, Bowen, Keeley, Knight or you just don't do it at all. I've worked in sales for 20 years. You can do absolutely everything right and follow the process without cutting any corners, but sometimes you lose a deal at any given point of the process when you think you have it. I don't think this staff is losing out because of incompetence or a lack of effort. It's just sort of how the situation plays out with certain individuals, especially national recruits who are in the south.

This horse is more dead than Barbaro as far as I'm concerned. Notre Dame probably has less paths to a national championship that most other programs, and in this instance you have Auburn and Hugh Freeze involved, so I'm sure most of us are inclined to assume that there are things happening behind the curtain. It's not only frustrating that it happens, it's more frustrating when our own "fans" start to declare grievance at the coaching staff making accusations about their efforts and competence. The whole field of recruiting itself has always been a cesspool, and the current environment has made it even worse.

Notre Dame Football is bigger than Deuce Knight. He has an opportunity that all of us could only dream of, which is why we're fans of this program. Totally up to him what he does with it.
 
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