'23 TX QB Jackson Arnold (Oklahoma Verbal)

[arrowryan]

What were we expecting Arnold to tell Drumm?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

What were we expecting Arnold to tell Drumm?

"I plead the 5th"

 

[notredomer23]

"I plead the 5th"

 

[BigHossBU]

What were we expecting Arnold to tell Drumm?

I get that, but he could also just ghost them kind of like Keeley and Bowen have to the ND media

 

[NDMatt91]

Can't force a kid to choose you. They did everything in their power to land the kid. At the end of the day ND admin isn't going to pay kids like other programs. Pretty hard to fault the coaches when those factors are completely out of their control.

The criticism for the Moore situation is that Tommy and the staff apparently were strung along for months. If a kid says he’s a “silent commit” and refuses or is reluctant to commit for the next 3+ months then it’s probably not a good idea to put all of your eggs into that basket. Tom Lemming basically said they were in good/decent position with Arnold and Vizzina but they had their eggs in the Dante basket. IIRC, Vizzina even told him that ND wasn’t really talking to him.

What they should’ve done is told Dante that if he still wanted in they’d take him if he went public, but if Arnold, Vizzina, Johnson, or whoever wanted to publicly commit they’d have to honor that. Hopefully that’s a lesson learned for the staff, in particular Rees.

 

[Dale]

Be a lot easier to take the argument for Rees seriously if his defenders stopped trying to dress up a recruiting loss as a win.

Not landing Moore is certainly not a win, but landing Carr is also not a loss, as this dialogue started.

Now we’re wrapping Arnold into Moore silent stuff again, when the timelines are not synched at all.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Not landing Moore is certainly not a win, but landing Carr is also not a loss, as this dialogue started.

No we’re wrapping Arnold into Moore silent stuff again, when the timelines are not synched at all.

Yep. Arnold committed to OU way before the smoke started to rise about Moore being a silent commit. Lebby getting hired was the nail in the coffin there, which still doesn't make any sense to me. Dude was a good OC for a few years, but hardly a tiebreaker, and the fact that he was caught up in the Baylor mess only further questions why it was such a big deal.

 

[SoIll]

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Won't leak too much, but they say Carr is staying in '24 and ND is has been in contact with a specific QB and are optimistic. Sounds like JA or AJ

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

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The latest on all the uncommitted 2023 targets who will be in South Bend this weekend as well updates on WR Taeshaun Lyons, the quarterback situation & more.

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Won't leak too much, but they say Carr is staying in '24 and ND is has been in contact with a specific QB and are optimistic. Sounds like JA or AJ

I admit I'm a little disappointed that Carr isn't reclassifying but I'm glad they have some clarity on the situation.

 

[NDMatt91]

Not landing Moore is certainly not a win, but landing Carr is also not a loss, as this dialogue started.

No we’re wrapping Arnold into Moore silent stuff again, when the timelines are not synched at all.

If you're referring to what I posted on Arnold I'm simply going by what Tom Lemming said.

 

[BeauBenken]

The criticism for the Moore situation is that Tommy and the staff apparently were strung along for months. If a kid says he’s a “silent commit” and refuses or is reluctant to commit for the next 3+ months then it’s probably not a good idea to put all of your eggs into that basket. Tom Lemming basically said they were in good/decent position with Arnold and Vizzina but they had their eggs in the Dante basket. IIRC, Vizzina even told him that ND wasn’t really talking to him.

What they should’ve done is told Dante that if he still wanted in they’d take him if he went public, but if Arnold, Vizzina, Johnson, or whoever wanted to publicly commit they’d have to honor that. Hopefully that’s a lesson learned for the staff, in particular Rees.

I think people don't realize how quickly QB dominoes fall. It's easy to say that they should move on from Moore after months of him stringing them along, but it wasn't the months that did the most damage. Arnold committed to OU which really put us down to two options in Vizzina and Moore for the level of QB the staff wanted. Moore pulls the trigger (albeit silently) and the staff takes him at his word because they have no reason not to. It's soon after this point that Vizzina commits to his other top school, Clemson.

It's not like these guys were dragging it on for ND's sake, most of the top QBs jumped onto other boats either before or after Moore's silent. The staff clearly wanted a top ten type of QB and so they put up with the Moore saga for as long as they could because the options simly weren't there. For the most part, they still aren't, but there are quality players like Avery and Minchey out there and you can always try to slide back in on a kid if their team doesn't look all that hot.

 

[bobbyok1]

Probably my favorite video that "Oldie" did back in the early days. This game was so much fun to be at too. The Zibby highlights are the best, 2 defensive/ST TDs on the day and nearly had a 3rd! The last truly dangerous punt returner we had.

Zbikowski was such a beast.

 

[Dale]

If you're referring to what I posted on Arnold I'm simply going by what Tom Lemming said.

Arnold committing to OU had nothing to do with Moore. This has been gone over at length by those in the know significantly more than Lemming and the prospect himself. When Arnold committed to OU, Rees and Vizzina still talked daily, again per the prospect himself.

 

[benneboy]

Don't see how Arnold could be rock solid to OU at this point. The most likely scenarios are:
1) Venables is a garbage head coach and they give him 3 years to stay garbage
2) Venables is a garbage head coach and they fire him during or after next year
3) Venables is a full on dumpster fire, they go 4-8 and fire him here in 2 months

 

[IrishLax]

Arnold committing to OU had nothing to do with Moore. This has been gone over at length by those in the know significantly more than Lemming and the prospect himself. When Arnold committed to OU, Rees and Vizzina still talked daily, again per the prospect himself.

It is the weirdest narrative that refuses to die.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

It is the weirdest narrative that refuses to die.

It's like politics, just keep changing words, and moving the goal post until it fits your chosen narrative. AND, just like politics, the narrative we choose is somewhere left/right of the truth.

I choose to believe Tommy sucks at evaluating QBs and that Panchero's is better then Chipotle

 

[IRISHMAN]

I choose to believe Tommy sucks at evaluating QBs and that Panchero's is better then Chipotle

the QB recruiting was much better before tommy reese became the QB coach.

 

[Irish du Nord]

I like that tweet. It's early, let's see how the season plays out. But if he continues to play well, Tommy can now go to QB recruits and sell. Assuming he's not the OC the Rams next year...

Well Pyne is going to be their starter so I understand bringing in Rees

 

[notredomer23]

the QB recruiting was much better before tommy reese became the QB coach.

Lol.

Pre-Rees
2011: Everett Golson 267th
2012: Gunner Kiel 26th
2013: Malik Zaire 162nd
2014: Deshone Kizer 242nd
2015: Brandon Wimbush 46th
2016: Ian Book 517th
Rees
2018: Phil Jurkovec 83rd
2019: Brendon Clark 521st
2020: Drew Pyne 225th
2021: Tyler Buchner 71st
2022: Steve Angeli 365th
2024: CJ Carr 13th

Pre-Rees average ranking was 210th. Rees era average ranking is 213th. Interesting that the only Pre-Rees QBs to finish their career at ND are Kizer and Book. Likely similar outlook for the Rees era QBs. At worst, Rees' QB recruiting is a continuation of the Kelly era.

 

[ACamp1900]

It’s crazy to see how hard it’s become for ND to get a top 25 qb,…

 

[T-Boone]

I hope we get him

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Lol.

Pre-Rees
2011: Everett Golson 267th
2012: Gunner Kiel 26th
2013: Malik Zaire 162nd
2014: Deshone Kizer 242nd
2015: Brandon Wimbush 46th
2016: Ian Book 517th
Rees
2018: Phil Jurkovec 83rd
2019: Brendon Clark 521st
2020: Drew Pyne 225th
2021: Tyler Buchner 71st
2022: Steve Angeli 365th
2024: CJ Carr 13th

Pre-Rees average ranking was 210th. Rees era average ranking is 213th. Interesting that the only Pre-Rees QBs to finish their career at ND are Kizer and Book. Likely similar outlook for the Rees era QBs. At worst, Rees' QB recruiting is a continuation of the Kelly era.

Those are overall player rankings, not position ranking correct?

 

[stlnd01]

Those are overall player rankings, not position ranking correct?

Correct, Brendon Clark was not the 521st-ranked quarterback in his class. Even Tommy Rees can recruit better than that.

 

[stlnd01]

It’s crazy to see how hard it’s become for ND to get a top 25 qb,…

It's not just QB. Right now, even with our vaunted class, we have one commit ranked in the top 40 on the 247 Composite, and it's Bowen who half this board figures is gone. Jagusah's 43rd. We're not adding any more either, barring a miracle from Arnold or Keeley.
Last year we had Sneed. Year before, no one in the Top 50.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

Correct, Brendon Clark was not the 521st-ranked quarterback in his class. Even Tommy Rees can recruit better than that.

Tommy Enters Chat: "HOLD MY BEER"

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Excuse me. I’m here for rumors and speculation on the next recruit to break our hearts. Can you Tommy lover/haters migrate over to his thread please?

 

[irishff1014]

Lol.

Pre-Rees
2011: Everett Golson 267th
2012: Gunner Kiel 26th
2013: Malik Zaire 162nd
2014: Deshone Kizer 242nd
2015: Brandon Wimbush 46th
2016: Ian Book 517th
Rees
2018: Phil Jurkovec 83rd
2019: Brendon Clark 521st
2020: Drew Pyne 225th
2021: Tyler Buchner 71st
2022: Steve Angeli 365th
2024: CJ Carr 13th

Pre-Rees average ranking was 210th. Rees era average ranking is 213th. Interesting that the only Pre-Rees QBs to finish their career at ND are Kizer and Book. Likely similar outlook for the Rees era QBs. At worst, Rees' QB recruiting is a continuation of the Kelly era.

And that's not even close to good enough.

 

[Blazers46]

Don't see how Arnold could be rock solid to OU at this point. The most likely scenarios are:
1) Venables is a garbage head coach and they give him 3 years to stay garbage
2) Venables is a garbage head coach and they fire him during or after next year
3) Venables is a full on dumpster fire, they go 4-8 and fire him here in 2 months

Maybe Notre Dame‘s play should be recruiting Venables to defensive coordinator and then Arnold might just come to follow Venables. 75% joking but if Venables is available I would shop down that isle.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Venables seems like one of those cliche DCs that are great at what they specialize in, but are big weirdos overall

 

[Irishcop]

It’s crazy to see how hard it’s become for ND to get a top 25 qb,…

I agree, especially for the 23 class. We are bringing serious talent at Oline, wide receiver, running back, and tight end. I just don’t think it should be this difficult.