'23 IL OT Charles Jagusah (Notre Dame Signee)

[NDFAN2008]

If Jagusah isn’t ready, you most likely roll with
LT: Knapp
LG: Absher
Center: Craig, backup Otting
RG: Lambert
RT: Black, back up Augustine

I think Peter Jones and Herron will be good once called upon, you could always start Otting at Center and move Craig to guard if something happens. Worst case Mckeogh will be ready to play he’s 6’7 294 now. He should be able to put on 10-15 lbs by fall.

 

[stlnd01]

There is zero excuses why he isn’t ready to go. Originally it was OCT return, then a few months later, then possibly returning by playoffs. How can he still be out.

It’s not about “excuses,” he obviously has an injury that’s more serious than a normal broken arm. Nerve damage is nothing to mess with.

 

[Kak7304]

Did he break his arm or tear his ACL serious question?

He broke his humerus, not his forearm which is a whole different ballgame. Also, not all fractures are equal. Some people never regain function after traumatic injuries like this.

My season tickets are right behind the offensive line huddle. I’m not sure if it was due to a brace, surgery, nerve damage, etc. but he did not bend his arm at the elbow the entire season. I wouldn’t count on him and will hopefully he pleasantly surprised.

 

[TorontoGold]

If Jagusah isn’t ready, you most likely roll with
LT: Knapp
LG: Absher
Center: Craig, backup Otting
RG: Lambert
RT: Black, back up Augustine

I think Peter Jones and Herron will be good once called upon, you could always start Otting at Center and move Craig to guard if something happens. Worst case Mckeogh will be ready to play he’s 6’7 294 now. He should be able to put on 10-15 lbs by fall.

Peter Jones has literally never been spoken about as a viable option. He has 6 snaps in his career. Devan Houstan had 36 last year.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Peter Jones has literally never been spoken about as a viable option. He has 6 snaps in his career. Devan Houstan had 36 last year.

Shocking the former DT didn’t excite 08

 

[NDBoiler]

Peter Jones has literally never been spoken about as a viable option. He has 6 snaps in his career. Devan Houstan had 36 last year.

But he’s the next highly rated recruit I could think of. All I know about evaluating talent is looking at their rankings out of high school.

—ND08

 

[IRISHbluehen]

There is zero excuses why he isn’t ready to go. Originally it was OCT return, then a few months later, then possibly returning by playoffs. How can he still be out.

A compound fracture versus a normal broken bones are entirely different things, paired with wound infection and nerve damage, a large amount of people would never have the same use of their arm again, much less be able to play football at an NFL level.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Some very ignorant ranting here. I read ten or more websites of big medical expertise on humerus breaks. Each breakage, as any person with a brain should immediately see, is different ... possibly wildly so. For a normal person who is looking for a normal return to life, the three month bone break repair time is the "classic quote." After that healing, then there is often a further three-to-six-to-nine month period where the person attempts to muscle back up, and get back to what they were able to do before the injury. If the life work was "ordinary", getting back to being able to do that is easier, and quicker. If the life work was MAXIMUM bone and muscle strain, then full recovery will take longer. Sure the guy will be able to do most normal things "on schedule" for a normal guy, but the EXTREME stress things? No.

All that is obvious and logical for anyone other than a dolt. AND naturally both the player and the staff will be "human" enough to say the "happiest" most hopeful things they can say --- good psychology for the hard recovery road if nothing else.

Now all of that is outside the possibility of the original damage being on the extreme end of the possible curve, or some other cause of the injury threatening relapsing in some aspect of the recovery. ... anyone who can't understand any of this should probably be deported to Antarctica where they will not be able to reproduce. ...... damm that @#$ is insufferable.

 

[Blazers46]

Some very ignorant ranting here. I read ten or more websites of big medical expertise on humerus breaks. Each breakage, as any person with a brain should immediately see, is different ... possibly wildly so. For a normal person who is looking for a normal return to life, the three month bone break repair time is the "classic quote." After that healing, then there is often a further three-to-six-to-nine month period where the person attempts to muscle back up, and get back to what they were able to do before the injury. If the life work was "ordinary", getting back to being able to do that is easier, and quicker. If the life work was MAXIMUM bone and muscle strain, then full recovery will take longer. Sure the guy will be able to do most normal things "on schedule" for a normal guy, but the EXTREME stress things? No.

All that is obvious and logical for anyone other than a dolt. AND naturally both the player and the staff will be "human" enough to say the "happiest" most hopeful things they can say --- good psychology for the hard recovery road if nothing else.

Now all of that is outside the possibility of the original damage being on the extreme end of the possible curve, or some other cause of the injury threatening relapsing in some aspect of the recovery. ... anyone who can't understand any of this should probably be deported to Antarctica where they will not be able to reproduce. ...... damm that @#$ is insufferable.

So anywhere from 3-25 months…

 

[Old Man Mike]

... or for some professions and injuries --> never

 

[Padomer9]

I’m just spitballing here…if the staff had any inclination or doubt that he wasn’t going to be available for next year you gotta assume they would have brought someone in from the portal if they didn’t like what they already have on campus. This could be the training staff being extra cautious to not rush him back. The extra procedure and nerve damage is causing them to take things slow. Hopefully he’s getting some feeling back and training by spring ball and then working back into things for camp.

 

[TracyGraham]

Some very ignorant ranting here. I read ten or more websites of big medical expertise on humerus breaks. Each breakage, as any person with a brain should immediately see, is different ... possibly wildly so. For a normal person who is looking for a normal return to life, the three month bone break repair time is the "classic quote." After that healing, then there is often a further three-to-six-to-nine month period where the person attempts to muscle back up, and get back to what they were able to do before the injury. If the life work was "ordinary", getting back to being able to do that is easier, and quicker. If the life work was MAXIMUM bone and muscle strain, then full recovery will take longer. Sure the guy will be able to do most normal things "on schedule" for a normal guy, but the EXTREME stress things? No.

All that is obvious and logical for anyone other than a dolt. AND naturally both the player and the staff will be "human" enough to say the "happiest" most hopeful things they can say --- good psychology for the hard recovery road if nothing else.

Now all of that is outside the possibility of the original damage being on the extreme end of the possible curve, or some other cause of the injury threatening relapsing in some aspect of the recovery. ... anyone who can't understand any of this should probably be deported to Antarctica where they will not be able to reproduce. ...... damm that @#$ is insufferable.

Git em!!

 

[Irish#1]

I see 08 hasn’t missed a beat while banned. Lol

 

[irish4ever]

Peter Jones has literally never been spoken about as a viable option. He has 6 snaps in his career. Devan Houstan had 36 last year.

Breakout season!

 

[ab2cmiller]

I see 08 hasn’t missed a beat while banned. Lol

Those clamoring for 08’s return are giddy.

 

[Old Man Mike]

This kind of situation is so particular to the unique issues that no one (even our not-all-knowing-and-not-to-be-blamed-for-not-knowing-all staff) can predict future states at future times. The most likely thing is that everyone's "hopeful" (including the Big Stud), but no one can be sure of much. So, you think the big guy will be ready by the season, but you don't know so you think about who you know you've got.

And the "conversation" goes sort of like this: "What have we got beyond Charles?" "Well, we have FIVE returning starters --- Knapp, Abshur, Otting, Craig, and Lambert." "How do they fit together?" "Well, pretty good potentially. There's a lot of flex there." "But two centers. Doesn't that create a problem?" "Doesn't have to. Both can play guard, and Lambert tackle." "What else?" "Plenty. Folks out there don't know how good the next group is. We'll have three or four of them slobber knocking the wadding out of opponents anytime we need them." "So why do we even need Charles?" "{rolls eyes} Uhh. Charles is like TWO slobberknockers. Do you want to run over people or not?" ... "OK. So why not get him out there?" "{double eye roll} .... Charles doesn't need the extra work with Knapp or Lambert or Craig, he's already meshed with them. As soon as his body is ready, he's ready... PATIENCE."

 

[IrishLax]

Never letting my kids ride an ATV

 

[rtrn2glory]

Yep, that's a tragedy. I don't anticipate ever seeing him play football. I would love to be wrong.

 

[ColinKSU]

Never letting my kids ride an ATV

Jagusah at this summer's team bonding outing:

 

[NorthDakota]

Never letting my kids ride an ATV

Truly dumb machines to use for recreation if you are an athlete. I get that people use them for chores, ranching, farming, etc.

 

[NorthDakota]

Yep, that's a tragedy. I don't anticipate ever seeing him play football. I would love to be wrong.

Such a shame. Dude looked great when he was on the field.

Pretty decent shot he makes the difference in the two losses last year

 

[Irish#1]

Feel for the guy. I will be surprised if he sees the field this season.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Let’s pump the brakes a little bit. None of us know if Jags will or won’t play again.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Let’s pump the brakes a little bit. None of us know if Jags will or won’t play again.

Agreed. I think a lot is contingent on this surgery taking though. If it does, I imagine the healing process is rather fast.

If not, then it's just going to continue messing up his return.

 

[irishff1014]

Never letting my kids ride an ATV

Freak accident but when you are top high school football player you have to limit those risks.

I will be surprised if he plays any meaningful football at ND.

 

[NDMatt91]

I will be surprised if he plays any meaningful football at ND.

Jamie from ISD said a few weeks ago that you can't count on him given his injury history. It may have been in response to a comment regarding 2026 OL combinations.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Never letting my kids ride an ATV

I agree. I have no desire to ever get on one myself.

I know a limited sample size of people who have them and or have ridden one and it's typically some kind of story.

No thank you.

 

[slick7410]

Nit- I don't believe he was riding an ATV either. I thought it was UTV.

 

[SDIrishFan]

Nit- I don't believe he was riding an ATV either. I thought it was UTV.

It was, some people don't understand the difference. Not only that, they were being driven by law enforcement, was my understanding. So, plenty of training. Shit happens sometimes...

 

[notredomer23]

Nit- I don't believe he was riding an ATV either. I thought it was UTV.

Yep- total freak accident. Those things are safe as they come if your limbs are in the vehicle. Unfortunately his arm was hanging out.