'23 FL RB Sedrick Irvin Jr (Stanford Verbal)

[notredomer23]

My CB says Louisville

 

[Riddickulous]

It's ugly and you hate to see it, but if ND feels there are better players on the board (if that's indeed what happened here) then they need to take them.

Hoping for a good landing spot and a successful, productive career.

 

[arahop]

I'm in the camp that I don't feel bad about this one bit, if ND feels like they have an upgrade for his spot. This is big time College Football. Kids change their mind all of the time. And elite recruiters upgrade. He will get a chance at another school and we will have a better prospect. You don't sign top 5 classes without having to pull some offers, if that's the case here.

 

[NDPhilly]

I will say that I think our auto-transfer landscape makes this more justifiable. When kids like Jordan Addison who you've invested time into can bounce whenever they feel like it (or get a better offer), the argument can be made that colleges should have similar flexibility when honoring scholarships.

 

[General Colon Bowel]

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I'm in the camp that I don't feel bad about this one bit, if ND feels like they have an upgrade for his spot. This is big time College Football. Kids change their mind all of the time. And elite recruiters upgrade. He will get a chance at another school and we will have a better prospect. You don't sign top 5 classes without having to pull some offers, if that's the case here.

Don't think there's anything wrong with it at all if there's honesty involved. If they never made any promises about the number of backs they would take, then it's perfectly fair to tell Irvin at this point "hey we think we're gonna take 2 more backs this cycle. We'll honor your scholarship and you'll have the opportunity to come compete for a role, but candidly we have them higher on our board. You can come prove us wrong, but we understand if you want to reassess your options. We want you to make the best choice for you."

 

[Dale]

I don’t think we have to stretch this to macro levels to try to justify. ND screwed Irvin here. They will get more talent for it. He’ll land on his feet, but he got screwed here. Is what it is. We’ll get screwed back by some kid too but it doesn’t have to be justified to just acknowledge what it is.

 

[Irish du Nord]

All the best to Sedrick, I always loved him as a prospect. I was excited for his season at Columbus, hope he dominates.

 

[stlnd01]

So what happens when we get Limar and that’s it?
Like the good General said, I hope we were straight with this kid and this is his choice to go somewhere he’ll be higher on the RB board. As opposed to us pulling his offer. That’s the sort of thing that inevitably comes back to bite you in the ass.

 

[NDFAN2008]

In all honesty the staff can afford to be picky this class we really only need 1 back, I doubt Tyree leaves after this year.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Not only Tyree but 4 other talented backs as well with Estime, Diggs, Price and Payne.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Is he seeing the writing on the wall? He was one of our lowest rates recruits right?

 

[arrowryan]

Sinclair thinks we land Limar and Love

 

[rtrn2glory]

Sinclair thinks we land Limar and Love

I think I like this better than Irvin.... No offense to the kid

 

[arrowryan]

I think I like this better than Irvin.... No offense to the kid

I think Love is top 10/12 RB in the country

 

[Irish#1]

I don’t think we have to stretch this to macro levels to try to justify. ND screwed Irvin here. They will get more talent for it. He’ll land on his feet, but he got screwed here. Is what it is. We’ll get screwed back by some kid too but it doesn’t have to be justified to just acknowledge what it is.

It's not justifying. It is what it is. Irvin personally didn't do anything, but in today's landscape (NIL and portal) the recruits are in basically the same position where they can dump a school at the drop of a hat. Where I would have been totally bummed about this a couple of years ago, I understand completely why the staff is doing it.

We all want that next NC and the only way to get it is have the talent up and down the roster. Not just the starters. It's the world we live in now. I wish him the best.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Did he commit when Lance Taylor was the RB coach?

 

[rtrn2glory]

Yes he did just answered my own question

 

[dankgesang]

I think I'd feel differently if he had been recruited/committed after the Freeman HC move.

 

[Dale]

It's not justifying. It is what it is. Irvin personally didn't do anything, but in today's landscape (NIL and portal) the recruits are in basically the same position where they can dump a school at the drop of a hat. Where I would have been totally bummed about this a couple of years ago, I understand completely why the staff is doing it.

We all want that next NC and the only way to get it is have the talent up and down the roster. Not just the starters. It's the world we live in now. I wish him the best.

To provide reason for an choice or act is justification. Making it about the landscape of college football is going to macro levels to do so.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I don’t think we have to stretch this to macro levels to try to justify. ND screwed Irvin here. They will get more talent for it. He’ll land on his feet, but he got screwed here. Is what it is. We’ll get screwed back by some kid too but it doesn’t have to be justified to just acknowledge what it is.

We screwed Irvin? By not giving him the only RB spot in the class? Or by telling him we were after more talent and we're looking to stockpile and let the best rise to the top?

Stop this fucking whiny shit. ND is after the best and I really liked Irvin's tape, but I trust Freeman to not be dirty or underhanded. I'm near positive the coaches were open and honest and this is how it played out. BFD.

 

[Dale]

We screwed Irvin? By not giving him the only RB spot in the class? Or by telling him we were after more talent and we're looking to stockpile and let the best rise to the top?

Stop this fucking whiny shit. ND is after the best and I really liked Irvin's tape, but I trust Freeman to not be dirty or underhanded. I'm near positive the coaches were open and honest and this is how it played out. BFD.

It’s not whining. I certainly am not saying ND was required to keep him. But I don’t think we have to beat around the bush with it either. Irvin could have been visiting other places, talking to other schools this whole time. Having schools evaluate him. Build relationships. He by all accounts was firmly just with ND. Now he’s starting over. Sucks. Rhett doing the opposite sucked for us. Allowed to acknowledge both sides

C’est la vie

 

[Irish#1]

To provide reason for an choice or act is justification. Making it about the landscape of college football is going to macro levels to do so.

An explanation isn't always a justification.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

They could have given him the option to stay while telling him we feel good about a few other prospects. Perhaps he didn't want the competition?

Honestly I have no info here, just trying to see it from multiple angles.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It’s not whining. I certainly am not saying ND was required to keep him. But I don’t think we have to beat around the bush with it either. Irvin could have been visiting other places, talking to other schools this whole time. Having schools evaluate him. Build relationships. He by all accounts was firmly just with ND. Now he’s starting over. Sucks. Rhett doing the opposite sucked for us. Allowed to acknowledge both sides

C’est la vie

People are getting upset with you because there's an implication that our coaching staff was unethical in "recruiting over" Irvin. As long as it was clear he could keep his scholarship at ND for as long as her wanted to play for us, I see nothing wrong with it. It's virtually required to build a competitive roster these days.

Irvin could stay to fight for his spot and prove our current staff should have been higher on him. Or he can look for a program where he'll have less competition. He'll find a soft landing spot somewhere.

I don't feel any worse for him than the millions of players who busted their asses in high school and didn't manage to get a D1 offer. That's just football.

 

[Dale]

People are getting upset with you because there's an implication that our coaching staff was unethical in "recruiting over" Irvin. As long as it was clear he could keep his scholarship at ND for as long as her wanted to play for us, I see nothing wrong with it. It's virtually required to build a competitive roster these days.

Irvin could stay to fight for his spot and prove our current staff should have been higher on him. Or he can look for a program where he'll have less competition. He'll find a soft landing spot somewhere.

I don't feel any worse for him than the millions of players who busted their asses in high school and didn't manage to get a D1 offer. That's just football.

Never said anything was unethical. I don’t think ND needs to be in the right in every scenario, and anyone upset with my description either wants that to be the case or is stretching the meaning behind my post.

Things are allowed to suck for a kid sometime. They suck for us sometimes. That’s really the only point. Not a larger or that serious of a commentary

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Never said anything was unethical. I don’t think ND needs to be in the right in every scenario, and anyone upset with my description either wants that to be the case or is stretching the meaning behind my post.

Things are allowed to suck for a kid sometime. They suck for us sometimes. That’s really the only point. Not a larger or that serious of a commentary

Dale - "ND screwed Irvin". Sure, that doesn't blatantly state ND was unethical and I'm sure you'll mince words and try to convince us that you only meant to say #words.

How is ND potentially in the wrong here? By continuing to recruit kids?

 

[IrishLax]

Feel bad for him. He did not get “processed” but being recruited over means he’s got to look out for his best interests. I think ND might end up regretting this.

 

[allenm5333]

Feel bad for him. He did not get “processed” but being recruited over means he’s got to look out for his best interests. I think ND might end up regretting this.

As in Irvin will be good or recruits will be pissed?

 

[stlnd01]

Feel bad for him. He did not get “processed” but being recruited over means he’s got to look out for his best interests. I think ND might end up regretting this.

I think the odds are at least 50-50 that we do.

 

[stlnd01]

As in Irvin will be good or recruits will be pissed?

Irvin will be good and/or we’ll only land one RB in the end in this class and wish we had two.