'22 OR WR Justius Lowe (Oregon Verbal)

[irish o'phile]

Stuckey already messing up. We should have hired Shephard.

 

[Irish4life]

Right. We've always been an attractive destination for grad transfers. But with so many more athletes entering the portal now, we need to find a way to make undergrad transfers work at ND.

Yeah for sure. They've at least showed some willingness to be lenient this year, letting Joseph in and all. And hey, ND didn't allow EEs for a long time. Perhaps this was the first step for UG transfers in the same way Aldridge, Stewart, and West were for EEs.

 

[dad4aa]

Yeah for sure. They've at least showed some willingness to be lenient this year, letting Joseph in and all. And hey, ND didn't allow EEs for a long time. Perhaps this was the first step for UG transfers in the same way Aldridge, Stewart, and West were for EEs.

There have been other UG transfers. Amir Carlisle and Alohi Gilman come to mind without doing any research. We need to allow more but it has happened.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Yeah for sure. They've at least showed some willingness to be lenient this year, letting Joseph in and all. And hey, ND didn't allow EEs for a long time. Perhaps this was the first step for UG transfers in the same way Aldridge, Stewart, and West were for EEs.

To me, Joseph seems more like an outlier than an example of ND showing a willingness to make compromises with undergrad transfers.

Joseph was from Northwestern, one of the top schools in the US and one that's regularly ranked ahead of ND in terms of academic prestige. The fact that there was any sort of doubt that he would be admitted was concerning to me. Because if a guy transferring in from an elite academic institution like NW is getting some pushback, what does that mean for somebody coming from Texas Tech or Indiana or Louisville?

We did end up getting Alohi Gilman from the Naval Academy, so I don't feel like kids coming from other elite institutions will be much of an issue. But how many guys are going to be in the portal per year that are anywhere close to the level of prospect that Gilman or Joseph were?

 

[T-Boone]

ND didn't allow EEs for a long time.

For real? When was this?
Is anyone still around who was part of that stupid policy?

 

[NDIrish88]

2 CBs to Oregon. I guess we will see if Douglas comes on board.

 

[BobbyMac]

Right. We've always been an attractive destination for grad transfers. But with so many more athletes entering the portal now, we need to find a way to make undergrad transfers work at ND.

Northwestern took Hunter Johnson after 3 semesters of Aggie prereq's. Come on ND, time to go in... the water's warm.

 

[irishrocket25]

For real? When was this?
Is anyone still around who was part of that stupid policy?

I'm pretty sure the first early enrollees were under Charlie Weis, and he could only take a very limited number

 

[Irish4life]

For real? When was this?
Is anyone still around who was part of that stupid policy?

2006 recruiting cycle was the first time EEs were allowed at ND if I remember correctly.

 

[Irish4life]

There have been other UG transfers. Amir Carlisle and Alohi Gilman come to mind without doing any research. We need to allow more but it has happened.

Right but those were players transferring in after their freshman seasons. Joseph is going into his junior year....which makes ND's willingness to accept him significant.

 

[dublinirish]

wonder will Oregon still take Cota as a transfer with Lowe in their class

 

[NDPhilly]

This is a bummer - film was really solid. He's the type of WR we don't get enough of.

 

[stpeteirish]

wonder will Oregon still take Cota as a transfer with Lowe in their class

Is he being predicted to Oregon or are you just guessing based on the fact that he's from there?

 

[IrishLax]

To me, Joseph seems more like an outlier than an example of ND showing a willingness to make compromises with undergrad transfers.

Joseph was from Northwestern, one of the top schools in the US and one that's regularly ranked ahead of ND in terms of academic prestige. The fact that there was any sort of doubt that he would be admitted was concerning to me. Because if a guy transferring in from an elite academic institution like NW is getting some pushback, what does that mean for somebody coming from Texas Tech or Indiana or Louisville?

We did end up getting Alohi Gilman from the Naval Academy, so I don't feel like kids coming from other elite institutions will be much of an issue. But how many guys are going to be in the portal per year that are anywhere close to the level of prospect that Gilman or Joseph were?

It's really all about credits and where you are in your academic progression. It's pretty easy/straightforward to transfer into ND after completing two semesters at another school. After completing four semesters, it's a lot hard but still doable. After completing 5+ semesters it's very hard because you have to find a major that lines up exactly with your credits and will accept your 300 level classes. They will pretty much not take anyone who is an academic senior coming in.

So the sweet spot for ND is going to be 1) players with a degree 2) players who want to move on after their freshmen year somewhere. The only players that will be hard passes are those that have spent 3-4 years at another school without earning a degree, and that just is what it is.

 

[DONTH8]

It's really all about credits and where you are in your academic progression. It's pretty easy/straightforward to transfer into ND after completing two semesters at another school. After completing four semesters, it's a lot hard but still doable. After completing 5+ semesters it's very hard because you have to find a major that lines up exactly with your credits and will accept your 300 level classes. They will pretty much not take anyone who is an academic senior coming in.

So the sweet spot for ND is going to be 1) players with a degree 2) players who want to move on after their freshmen year somewhere. The only players that will be hard passes are those that have spent 3-4 years at another school without earning a degree, and that just is what it is.

I know even BYU stretches out their classwork so that most athletes are graduating in 5 years, unless you take summer classes. For baseball, that really wasnt an option becuase it was expected that you go play summer ball somewhere. But they would usually encourage you to take the bare minumum in credit hours, and then 3 credits of your added sport as well, so in theory the athletes are taking like 9 credit hours of course work, especially in season.

I'm assuming most schools follow this model. I know for a fact that when I was talking with ND/Stanford about baseball, their schedule was 15 -16 credits a semester of course work, so that I could graduate in 4 years and still play summer ball. Different animal.

 

[NDdomer2]

It's really all about credits and where you are in your academic progression. It's pretty easy/straightforward to transfer into ND after completing two semesters at another school. After completing four semesters, it's a lot hard but still doable. After completing 5+ semesters it's very hard because you have to find a major that lines up exactly with your credits and will accept your 300 level classes. They will pretty much not take anyone who is an academic senior coming in.

So the sweet spot for ND is going to be 1) players with a degree 2) players who want to move on after their freshmen year somewhere. The only players that will be hard passes are those that have spent 3-4 years at another school without earning a degree, and that just is what it is.

if the player has only completed their freshman year, do high school transcripts become a factor?

 

[Denny]

Committed to Oregon...

https://twitter.com/LoweJustius/status/1483641136245731328?t=_cechuY9Xp43dostwldGvQ&s=19

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Committed to Oregon...

https://twitter.com/LoweJustius/stat...ostwldGvQ&s=19

Missed again on another WR.

 

[IrishLax]

Per Mike Frank, he did not have the transcripts to get into ND once they sent them over and got them reviewed by admissions. It’s been awhile since we’ve had something like this happen because ND has gotten much better at screening out or getting approval on players early in the process before extending offers. Obviously, with a late pursuit there was no opportunity to do that.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Per Mike Frank, he did not have the transcripts to get into ND once they sent them over and got them reviewed by admissions. It’s been awhile since we’ve had something like this happen because ND has gotten much better at screening out or getting approval on players early in the process before extending offers. Obviously, with a late pursuit there was no opportunity to do that.

Makes sense. I'm glad the staff has obviously noticed the need at WR and is targeting guys. But yeah, this late in the game, it's going to be hard to do a full eval before extending offers.

Does anyone have any insight into other 22 prospects or transfers? Prister said "when we know, you'll know" but I'm just curious.

 

[Irish#1]

Per Mike Frank, he did not have the transcripts to get into ND once they sent them over and got them reviewed by admissions. It’s been awhile since we’ve had something like this happen because ND has gotten much better at screening out or getting approval on players early in the process before extending offers. Obviously, with a late pursuit there was no opportunity to do that.

This is the piece that is interesting to me when it comes to MF[SUP]2[/SUP] and recruiting. As we know, the requirements already reduce the pool of players that can be recruited. This tells me MF[SUP]2[/SUP] is simply banking on improving his hit rate within that pool unless he's able to widen that pool, which seems unlikely. I think this is one area where him growing into the position is going to be interesting.

 

[Crazy Balki]

So infuriating that most schools can simply extend offers or dip into the portal to fill their holes without having to deal with this crap.

 

[knight2017]

So infuriating that most schools can simply extend offers or dip into the portal to fill their holes without having to deal with this crap.

I mean I get the frustration but there’s a reason this happens. Unless it was just that he didn’t have the right language classes or some requirement like that, there’s a good chance this means he wouldn’t cut it at ND academically. That’s a worst case scenario for everyone involved. See BKs early tenure.

 

[Rack Em]

Lotta talk in here about transferring, and as the resident board transfer, I'm going to chime in:

1) Transfers are expected to graduate in 4 years, just like the regular admitted students. ND won't accept a transfer who isn't on track to do that.
2) ND will take incoming Juniors, but it is very, very difficult to pull that off. So it is significant that Joseph was able to do this
3) There is no 3)
4) Admissions puts a lot (like a lot) of weight on how well your course load aligns with ND's First Year of Studies. There are predetermined classes that every freshman takes. They don't like transfers who will walk in as a sophomore, but are still a freshman from a credit perspective. They also want to see that you have the credits that track to the major you're applying for.
5) ND REQUIRES A SYLLABUS AND COURSE DESCRIPTION TO BE SUBMITTED FOR ALL CLASSES YOU TAKE PRIOR TO TRANSFERRING. I cannot stress this enough. You do not get credit for taking doo doo classes. When I was a freshman, I sent every single syllabus and class description to the ND Transfer Admissions Department to get their blessing before I even enrolled in the class.
6) Football players from Finger-My-Butthole State U are not getting into ND as a transfer unless they are giving some serious thought to academics and their course load aligns with the First Year of Studies. Unless significant exceptions are made (and that's possible), kiss goodbye the chance to bring in a disgruntled 5 star freshman QB from Texas A&M. Not.Gonna.Happen.
7) ND should be using Northwestern, Stanford, Duke, and UVA as their minor league system. Put those football programs in their place by ransacking their rosters because it's likely that those freshmen will have the courses to transfer in successfully. I mean just fucking pillage them like a Viking horde.
8) I get everyone's frustrations with ND's limited opportunity to accept transfers, but some of my best friends in life are ND transfers. We were all denied initially and reapplied because we wanted to be there and loved the school. I love ND football just as much as anyone, but when push comes to shove, give me the Midwest kid from the all boys Catholic high school who bleeds blue and gold over the football player who is giving all glory to God because "Notre Dame University" let him transfer to play. I'll take that all day.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

7) ND should be using Northwestern, Stanford, Duke, and UVA as their minor league system. Put those football programs in their place by ransacking their rosters because it's likely that those freshmen will have the courses to transfer in successfully. I mean just fucking pillage them like a Viking horde.

I like this idea, because ND is the pinnacle for athletes that want to play school too, but we'll likely have to change our approach. I assume most kids that end up at those programs would have gone here had we offered, so they've gotta get over that initial rejection (even if it's only implicit). And the only kids we'd really be interested in taking from those programs as underclassmen are probably already in the two-deep and primed for early playing time.

Point being, I hope our coaching staff's "last" conversation with some of these recruits, where we'd normally say, "Sorry, kid, but we filled up/ have targets higher on our board/ etc.", also starts mentioning the possibility of transferring in down the line. Those seeds need to be planted early.

 

[Rack Em]

I like this idea, because ND is the pinnacle for athletes that want to play school too, but we'll likely have to change our approach. I assume most kids that end up at those programs would have gone here had we offered, so they've gotta get over that initial rejection (even if it's only implicit). And the only kids we'd really be interested in taking from those programs as underclassmen are probably already in the two-deep and primed for early playing time.

Point being, I hope our coaching staff's "last" conversation with some of these recruits, where we'd normally say, "Sorry, kid, but we filled up/ have targets higher on our board/ etc.", also starts mentioning the possibility of transferring in down the line. Those seeds need to be planted early.

Yes this is exactly what I was thinking. Crack the two deep as a freshman and you'll be hearing from an ND staffer.

"Sorry but we're going to have to pass for now. Here's some information on our First Year of Studies and contact information for the Director of Admissions assigned to the football team if you still want to be a part of ND next year."

<Drop Nuts on David Shaw, Pat Fitzgerald, and Mike Elko>

 

[irishog77]

Lotta talk in here about transferring, and as the resident board transfer, I'm going to chime in:

1) Transfers are expected to graduate in 4 years, just like the regular admitted students. ND won't accept a transfer who isn't on track to do that.
2) ND will take incoming Juniors, but it is very, very difficult to pull that off. So it is significant that Joseph was able to do this
3) There is no 3)
4) Admissions puts a lot (like a lot) of weight on how well your course load aligns with ND's First Year of Studies. There are predetermined classes that every freshman takes. They don't like transfers who will walk in as a sophomore, but are still a freshman from a credit perspective. They also want to see that you have the credits that track to the major you're applying for.
5) ND REQUIRES A SYLLABUS AND COURSE DESCRIPTION TO BE SUBMITTED FOR ALL CLASSES YOU TAKE PRIOR TO TRANSFERRING. I cannot stress this enough. You do not get credit for taking doo doo classes. When I was a freshman, I sent every single syllabus and class description to the ND Transfer Admissions Department to get their blessing before I even enrolled in the class.
6) Football players from Finger-My-Butthole State U are not getting into ND as a transfer unless they are giving some serious thought to academics and their course load aligns with the First Year of Studies. Unless significant exceptions are made (and that's possible), kiss goodbye the chance to bring in a disgruntled 5 star freshman QB from Texas A&M. Not.Gonna.Happen.
7) ND should be using Northwestern, Stanford, Duke, and UVA as their minor league system. Put those football programs in their place by ransacking their rosters because it's likely that those freshmen will have the courses to transfer in successfully. I mean just fucking pillage them like a Viking horde.
8) I get everyone's frustrations with ND's limited opportunity to accept transfers, but some of my best friends in life are ND transfers. We were all denied initially and reapplied because we wanted to be there and loved the school. I love ND football just as much as anyone, but when push comes to shove, give me the Midwest kid from the all boys Catholic high school who bleeds blue and gold over the football player who is giving all glory to God because "Notre Dame University" let him transfer to play. I'll take that all day.

Not sure how applicable your transfer story is though since you transferred in from St. Mary's. All these other guys, for the most part, won't be coming in from all-girls schools.

 

[Rack Em]

Not sure how applicable your transfer story is though since you transferred in from St. Mary's. All these other guys, for the most part, won't be coming in from all-girls schools.

St. Mary's was the best year of my life

 

[stlnd01]

Yes this is exactly what I was thinking. Crack the two deep as a freshman and you'll be hearing from an ND staffer.

"Sorry but we're going to have to pass for now. Here's some information on our First Year of Studies and contact information for the Director of Admissions assigned to the football team if you still want to be a part of ND next year."

<Drop Nuts on David Shaw, Pat Fitzgerald, and Mike Elko>

This is totally the move - recruit transfers directly from the rosters of our peer academic schools - but what are the rules around going at guys who are currently enrolled elsewhere/not in the portal? Are there, like, anti-tampering rules still? (Are there any rules at all?).

I'm sure there's wink-and-a-nod ways around it, and ways to backchannel. But if ND starts pulling kids on the regular from a small handful of schools - especially ones we play all the time like Stanford and BC and Duke - they're not just going to take it quietly.

 

[Irish#1]

The only problem I see with going after the guys at those schools is you're still looking at a limited number of kids that can help. The talent isn't there. Their rosters aren't loaded with 4 & 5 star guys. That's why they're normally 5-8, 6-7, 7-6, 8-5.. If we're talking about 1 or 2 players or adding depth at the back end then you could probably get some help.