'21 CA QB Tyler Buchner (ND FB -> Bama FB -> ND LAX???)

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fightingirish26 said:
I know it's been there for a couple years lol. Funny thing is Koon was literally my least favorite part of this site. I just meant why was my post #Kooning
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oh just seemed like a total drive by and unrelated to why the thread was bumped.

The real purpose of the post was to bring up Rees as OC and Buchner was just perfect segway.

And asking to be enlightened certainly isnt distancing yourself from the Koon lite branding.

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Pretty sure you were one he tried reporting a lot.
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ironic, or is it?
 
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NDdomer2 said:
oh just seemed like a total drive by and unrelated to why the thread was bumped.

The real purpose of the post was to bring up Rees as OC and Buchner was just perfect segway.

And asking to be enlightened certainly isnt distancing yourself from the Koon lite branding.



ironic, or is it?
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I mean, it's completely related. He's a 5* QB and we need to maximize his talent.

It seems like you think I'm belittling Rees when I stated I was pro-Rees (not a ton on this board are) and that he could be an elite OC. But he's yet to prove that, and if he's simply mediocre (or otoh, so good that he moves on in a couple years) we need to bring in somebody who will bring out the best of Buchner.

And sorry for asking you to expand on why you chose to insult me, I guess
 
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Irish YJ said:
I think ND will step on it's dick and not want such a young HC without previous HC experience.
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If Oklahoma thought that way Lincoln Riley would not be there head coach currently. I know Notre Dame is a different beast. But Thomas knows all about ND being a former student, player and now a coach. If the administration and Kell believe Tommy would be successful with strong conviction I think you have to roll with it. I wouldn't want to see Tommy leave for another school to get a head coaching job with the possibility of him never coming back.
 
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Sherm Sticky said:
If Oklahoma thought that way Lincoln Riley would not be there head coach currently. I know Notre Dame is a different beast. But Thomas knows all about ND being a former student, player and now a coach. If the administration and Kell believe Tommy would be successful with strong conviction I think you have to roll with it. I wouldn't want to see Tommy leave for another school to get a head coaching job with the possibility of him never coming back.
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Hope you're right.
OK hit the lucky lotto though, and just not sure ND is a school that buys lotto tix.
 
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Yeah. We'll be keeping an eye on PJ at BC. Depending on how he does we might get a bit of a judgement on Rees.
 
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T-Boone said:
Yeah. We'll be keeping an eye on PJ at BC. Depending on how he does we might get a bit of a judgement on Rees.
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How so?

If PJ’s really good then that’s an indictment against the new OC that wasn’t OC when PJ was unhappy? At a time when most of the offensive personnel were unhappy with the previous OC. Don’t think that adds up. Sounds like Long had some BVG traits with his personnel. Don’t see how we can fault Rees for that. It’s like saying if Michael Young blows up at UC then it’s on Del.
 
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Luckylucci said:
How so?

If PJ’s really good then that’s an indictment against the new OC that wasn’t OC when PJ was unhappy? At a time when most of the offensive personnel were unhappy with the previous OC. Don’t think that adds up. Sounds like Long had some BVG traits with his personnel. Don’t see how we can fault Rees for that. It’s like saying if Michael Young blows up at UC then it’s on Del.
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I think there is a tendency to use a firing to then blame everything on that guy as a scape goat.
By all reports PJ was not doing well in the backup QB role while Rees was QB coach. He was underachieving when he should have been ready to take over from Book early in the season. If he goes to BC and lives up to the High school hype this year then Rees better put on a good offense this year or else he should be in the line of fire.

In my opinion the Young comparison isn't the same because Young was probably already achieving about what was expected from him.
 
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All I know is if I was PJ, I'd have probably considered bailing too. He's likely not an NFL guy and the only way he will be is if he gets snaps.

Buchner seems very sold on ND and if he's 3/4 of what Clausen was, ND is going to have a very real shot at a national title with him unless, like Jimmy, he's dealing with a complete dumpster fire that cant do better than 7-6 with a 28 TD 4 INT or whatever he was.

Jimmy would've won a natty with Kelly just saying.
 
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All I know is if I was PJ, I'd have probably considered bailing too. He's likely not an NFL guy and the only way he will be is if he gets snaps.

Buchner seems very sold on ND and if he's 3/4 of what Clausen was, ND is going to have a very real shot at a national title with him unless, like Jimmy, he's dealing with a complete dumpster fire that cant do better than 7-6 with a 28 TD 4 INT or whatever he was.

Jimmy would've won a natty with Kelly just saying.
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You know, people talk about recruiting all the time, and some people don't realize how one down year or one failed class can really cost you a season. Clausen and Weis were plagued by an awful 2007 campaign that was largely the fault of Ty Willingham. The senior leadership in 2007 was scant and not exactly a platoon of world beaters. There was Zibby, John Carlson, and a smattering of a few others...but it was a culmination of poor recruiting during the Ty years that left the cupboard bare. By 2008 and 2009 some of Charlie's first classes were finally coming into their own and we were scoring points again, unfortunately he was much better roping in the offensive talent and not as good on the defensive side of the ball with the exception of Manti.

Similarly, Kelly's class in 2013 on paper should have been very good, but many transferred or were drafted by the time the awful 2016 season came. We were coming off the bowl game with Alabama, which had a terrible outcome but it showed we could at least get back to that stage and just needed some more talent. However, the gems from that 2013 class were all gone to the draft by 2016 like Jaylon and Fuller. Other 5 and 4 star guys like Steve Elmer, Max Redfield, Greg Bryant (RIP), John Montelus, Colin McGovern, Doug Randolph, Devin Butler, and Mike Heuerman also weren't around for 2016 for a variety of reasons...in Elmer's case he went to start a lucrative career which is awesome, but many of the others either transferred, had medical hardships, or other issues. That's a ton of senior leadership that wasn't around, and you need those guys leading your team. Over half that class was just gone. I'm not saying that it completely explains the 2007 and 2016 debacle seasons, but there's a lot that can be said when you're lacking strong senior leadership and talent. Look at Louisville from 2018 to 2019. In 2018 the Cardinals lost all of their games but 2 while starting almost all freshman and sophomores...it also cost Petrino his job. In 2019 they won 8 games and certainly gave us a run for our money for almost 3 quarters.
 
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I think Tommy will do great as OC. Former players, coaches and those that have been around him for a while state, he has all of the tools (smarts, analytical, no fear) to be very good. If I were to wager, I would bet the odds are better that he will succeed than fail. A couple of years before being named HC or HC in waiting is a bit premature IMO, but we might have the next Brad Stevens on our hands.
 
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T-Boone said:
I think there is a tendency to use a firing to then blame everything on that guy as a scape goat.
By all reports PJ was not doing well in the backup QB role while Rees was QB coach. He was underachieving when he should have been ready to take over from Book early in the season. If he goes to BC and lives up to the High school hype this year then Rees better put on a good offense this year or else he should be in the line of fire.

In my opinion the Young comparison isn't the same because Young was probably already achieving about what was expected from him.
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Might have been Chip, might not have. There is also a very real possibility that Phil was in over his head or wasn't committed enough. Not every great HS player is destined for success at the collegiate level, like every great collegiate player isn't destined for success in the NFL.
 
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You know, people talk about recruiting all the time, and some people don't realize how one down year or one failed class can really cost you a season. Clausen and Weis were plagued by an awful 2007 campaign that was largely the fault of Ty Willingham. The senior leadership in 2007 was scant and not exactly a platoon of world beaters. There was Zibby, John Carlson, and a smattering of a few others...but it was a culmination of poor recruiting during the Ty years that left the cupboard bare. By 2008 and 2009 some of Charlie's first classes were finally coming into their own and we were scoring points again, unfortunately he was much better roping in the offensive talent and not as good on the defensive side of the ball with the exception of Manti.

Similarly, Kelly's class in 2013 on paper should have been very good, but many transferred or were drafted by the time the awful 2016 season came. We were coming off the bowl game with Alabama, which had a terrible outcome but it showed we could at least get back to that stage and just needed some more talent. However, the gems from that 2013 class were all gone to the draft by 2016 like Jaylon and Fuller. Other 5 and 4 star guys like Steve Elmer, Max Redfield, Greg Bryant (RIP), John Montelus, Colin McGovern, Doug Randolph, Devin Butler, and Mike Heuerman also weren't around for 2016 for a variety of reasons...in Elmer's case he went to start a lucrative career which is awesome, but many of the others either transferred, had medical hardships, or other issues. That's a ton of senior leadership that wasn't around, and you need those guys leading your team. Over half that class was just gone. I'm not saying that it completely explains the 2007 and 2016 debacle seasons, but there's a lot that can be said when you're lacking strong senior leadership and talent. Look at Louisville from 2018 to 2019. In 2018 the Cardinals lost all of their games but 2 while starting almost all freshman and sophomores...it also cost Petrino his job. In 2019 they won 8 games and certainly gave us a run for our money for almost 3 quarters.
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Good points here. Don't want to hijack this kid's thread, and we could probably have an entire thread for the Weis recruiting, but it wasn't terrible on defense. He did have some dudes but couldn't get the DC right. By the end the offense was top 10 but that Tenuta/ Corwin Brown combo was a mess.

Off the top of my head...
Ethan Johnson
Darius Fleming
Brian Smith
Kap Lewis Moore
RJ Blanton
Harrison Smith
Manti
 
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