2022 Fall Camp Thread

[stlnd01]

Irish Illustrated that Bothello got into a shoving match during a no-contact special teams drill (he made contact anyway they said).

Dude is a wild animal lol

Would be cooler if he could get on the field though.

 

[General Colon Bowel]

Great, so you've just found all the exceptions, the 0.1% of similarly rated QB prospects. I can, with a small degree of uncertainty, predict Angelis college football ceiling when compared to an average 5* QB prospect. It's lower, substantially.

It's not an exception to the rule though. In addition to the ones named already:

Burrow, Goff, Trubisky were 4 stars outside the top 200.

Russ, Cousins, Lamar, Ryan, Mac Jones, Mayfield, Z Wilson, Pickett, and Mariota were 3 stars.

Lance, Daniel Jones, Jimmy G were 2 stars.

Wentz was unranked.

 

[NDdomer2]

QB evaluations are HARD

 

[Irish#1]

Staes and Raridon really do look the part. It's hard to believe how many (me included) thought Raridon was more of a WR who might eventually grow into a TE. He's huge.

Our TE’s look like nimble linemen.

 

[du Lac]

Best arm in SB?

 

[tommyIRISH23]

So what’s the deal with Buchner and his development? I had heard from multiple outlets that he has done very well through spring and fall. Now some reports are leaking today that he’s having significant accuracy issues. Anyone with any inside knowledge know how TB is looking?

 

[Domina Nostra]

It's not an exception to the rule though. In addition to the ones named already:

Burrow, Goff, Trubisky were 4 stars outside the top 200.

Russ, Cousins, Lamar, Ryan, Mac Jones, Mayfield, Z Wilson, Pickett, and Mariota were 3 stars.

Lance, Daniel Jones, Jimmy G were 2 stars.

Wentz was unranked.

Right, and those aren’t a bunch of randos. They are among the best NFL QBs.

Burrow had the best college season I’ve ever seen, and his own coach let him walk to play a more highly-ranked kid. He couldn’t even see the talent at practice.

Again, I never said “don’t recruit 5-stars.” I said, “don’t right off a QB because of his ranking.” Many of the very best were not obvious at all.

 

[Irishben10]

Staes and Raridon really do look the part. It's hard to believe how many (me included) thought Raridon was more of a WR who might eventually grow into a TE. He's huge.

I don’t know how you can’t put them out on the field, Staes looks awesome, if he can’t make the TE Rotation, put him out as the Big WR, seems to have decent wheels & catches everything thrown his way

 

[Irish4life]

So what’s the deal with Buchner and his development? I had heard from multiple outlets that he has done very well through spring and fall. Now some reports are leaking today that he’s having significant accuracy issues. Anyone with any inside knowledge know how TB is looking?

Don't think anyone's reporting significant accuracy issues, but the Tim's have expressed concern about Buchner being somewhat inconsistent. Also mentioned that they're concerned about how raw and rough the WR room is, especially without Davis. Not exactly helpful when breaking in a new, young starting QB right? (Though I will say I'm not 100% in agreement with them on that part tbqh)

 

[ulukinatme]

So what’s the deal with Buchner and his development? I had heard from multiple outlets that he has done very well through spring and fall. Now some reports are leaking today that he’s having significant accuracy issues. Anyone with any inside knowledge know how TB is looking?

His time is coming...

 

[IrishBoognish]

Don't think anyone's reporting significant accuracy issues, but the Tim's have expressed concern about Buchner being somewhat inconsistent. Also mentioned that they're concerned about how raw and rough the WR room is, especially without Davis. Not exactly helpful when breaking in a new, young starting QB right? (Though I will say I'm not 100% in agreement with them on that part tbqh)

This is exactly what Prister had been saying.

Hes said he hasn't seen hardly any of him but heard Tommy say out loud in summer camp they wanted his accuracy to improve.


Prister doesn't think a summer and fall is long enough to be assured about accuracy from a first time starter.

His teammates say he's dropping dimes and is a stud.

We'll see.

 

[MacIrish75]

If pre-2010 ND football taught me anything, it's that there's no such thing as "backing into a win." A win is a win. This is how we closed out the season the year prior:

Loss to Navy 23-21
Loss to Pittsburgh 27-22
Loss to UConn 33-30 (2OT) (Senior night wooooo)
Loss to Stanford 45-38 (Our final play on defense for the season was letting the other team score to try and get the ball back.)

I really don't think many of us properly appreciate how bleak things were for awhile.

Luckily this all occurred during my college years, so it easily justified my binge drinking at the time.

 

[MacIrish75]

This is exactly what Prister had been saying.

Hes said he hasn't seen hardly any of him but heard Tommy say out loud in summer camp they wanted his accuracy to improve.


Prister doesn't think a summer and fall is long enough to be assured about accuracy from a first time starter.

His teammates say he's dropping dimes and is a stud.

We'll see.

I think both could be true. In the few video clips of Buchner from fall camp he absolutely has dropped some dimes and has shown the ability to put the ball in a tight spot. But, that doesn’t mean he can do it repetitively and at the same time do it while making the correct read.

These two aren’t mutually exclusive. My expectation is to totally have moments this year when I’m exulting TB thinking “Holy shit how did he make that throw” and then then the next play be shaking my head thinking “Holy shit how did he make that throw.”

 

[InKellyWeTrust]

His time is coming...

God, I hope not

 

[Irishben10]

So what’s the deal with Buchner and his development? I had heard from multiple outlets that he has done very well through spring and fall. Now some reports are leaking today that he’s having significant accuracy issues. Anyone with any inside knowledge know how TB is looking?

I wouldn’t take much from what the media is saying, they have almost seen less then the public, I would hope he can keep similar or better completion % like his HS stats which was over 65%.

I would be pretty happy he completed 65-70% that would be good for his 1st season as the starter, obviously over 70% would be awesome.

He had 5 int in his last full season of HS football so you would hope he can keep his ints for the year below 10 for the year.

Over 30 passing TDs would be nice averaging around 2.5 per game, plus extra TDs on the ground.

 

[Irish#1]

Right, and those aren’t a bunch of randos. They are among the best NFL QBs.

Burrow had the best college season I’ve ever seen, and his own coach let him walk to play a more highly-ranked kid. He couldn’t even see the talent at practice.

Again, I never said “don’t recruit 5-stars.” I said, “don’t right off a QB because of his ranking.” Many of the very best were not obvious at all.

Montana wasn't a killer in practice.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Montana wasn't a killer in practice.

Ian Book wasn't great in practice (consistency) either.

 

[IrishLion]

Pete Sampson has been insistent that they named Buchner the starter so early for a reason, and it wasn't just because they felt like they needed to name one for purposes of continuity in camp. He says Buchner has made a significant jump forward from last season.

Even if he's not the *most* accurate QB in the world, we know that Pyne can throw an accurate ball... so the issues can't be so bad that it will be a detriment to the offense the way Wimbush's arm was. If it were, they'd just roll with Pyne for the higher floor.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Long story short:
The Beat hasn't seen much of crap with the QBs this fall.
Tim P (and O'Malley) are "relying on their eyes" - aka, small useless drill sample size.
The rest of the beat (for the most part) are relying on reports given by their inside sources, which all sound very encouraging.

My thoughts:
No one, not even the inside sources, know what Tyler is *really* going to look like until his red jersey comes off. Analyzing him now is a little silly.

 

[NDdomer2]

I'll never understand the pyne fanhood.

He has literally been picked over for years now. He clearly isn't enough.

Has one "moment" in that Wisconsin game. If you go back and watch that game pass by pass he started absolutely everything down and throws floaters that Wiscy was just sitting back soft for who knows what reason.

 

[stlnd01]

I'll never understand the pyne fanhood.

He has literally been picked over for years now. He clearly isn't enough.

Has one "moment" in that Wisconsin game. If you go back and watch that game pass by pass he started absolutely everything down and throws floaters that Wiscy was just sitting back soft for who knows what reason.

He's the Backup Quarterback. That's all it is.

 

[IHateMarkMay]

It's all a front. They are holding stuff back from the media, they are leaking stuff (incorrect probably) to the media. Everything they are doing at this point (and have already done) is a mind game with OSU.

 

[IrishLion]

As long as he can hit a simple post to Styles off of play action, he’ll be fine

 

[SoIll]

How Notre Dame’s 88-year-old training table server became a Fighting Irish football staple

Joe Ciszczon needs no introduction around the Irish, who have built a bond with the perpetually upbeat face behind their breakfast skillets.

theathletic.com

Didn't know where to post, but this is a hella good story by Sampson.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

He's the Backup Quarterback. That's all it is.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Staes and Raridon really do look the part. It's hard to believe how many (me included) thought Raridon was more of a WR who might eventually grow into a TE. He's huge.

It's honestly crazy. WR-esque skills in a TE body.

As a very early member of the Raridon fan club, I must also say that Staes looks legit.

Who needs WR's when you got TE's like this.

I'm with you guys. I can't believe how the two freshmen TEs look physically put together and run good routes with good hands. I really hope they force themselves on the field, both to help protect our limited WR room and to jumpstart their growth for next year.

Raridon could still flex out as a jumbo WR if it creates mismatch problems.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I'm with you guys. I can't believe how the two freshmen TEs look physically put together and run good routes with good hands. I really hope they force themselves on the field, both to help protect our limited WR room and to jumpstart their growth for next year.

Raridon could still flex out as a jumbo WR if it creates mismatch problems.

Mayer plays Mayer
Raridon plays Eifert
Staes plays Tremble

Let's roll

 

[AlaskanIrish]

His time is coming...

If he just let Buchner have the McGregor Strut, all parties would be content.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Long story short:
The Beat hasn't seen much of crap with the QBs this fall.
Tim P (and O'Malley) are "relying on their eyes" - aka, small useless drill sample size.
The rest of the beat (for the most part) are relying on reports given by their inside sources, which all sound very encouraging.

My thoughts:
No one, not even the inside sources, know what Tyler is *really* going to look like until his red jersey comes off. Analyzing him now is a little silly.

I also wonder if those guys are gaging everything based on "can this level of QB play beat OSU" and not looking at it in total. IDK, but may be an explanation as to why there's a disconnect??

 

[Old Man Mike]

... wish both of them could throw it like Tommy still can.
Damm those videos.