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arrowryan said:
He’s not a reach. He wouldn’t have been there if Pittsburgh had stayed at 20 and I’m fairly certain the Bengals would’ve taken Bush at 11 if he was there. They still have 2 picks on day 2; their normal 3rd round and a very early 3rd pick from acquired from OAK. The 2020 3rd round pick they gave up is fine because they’ll be getting a 3rd round comp pick next year for Bell.

The “he’s short” thing doesn’t make much sense to me. He tested out just as good as Devin White. Linebackers rarely use their height to make plays anyway.

Bottom line, Pittsburgh needed to fix their situation at inside linebacker. They did it with someone who has GREAT sideline-to-sideline speed and that is needed in toady’s NFL. One GM for a team had Bush at #2 on their big board. It would’ve been a risky move to wait until a later round to get a LB. They tried to trade up last year, they failed, and it showed on Sundays.
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He's a good scheme fit for a team that was using Shazier in that spot.
 
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GM for KC structured Frank Clark's contract well (post 255) with a salary of $850K this year, then it bumps up to $24 mill next year. So, KC's cap stays in $20 mill range for 2019. In 2020, Sammy Watkins can be let go for $14 mill in cap savings.

So, as far as the draft goes, KC can draft a WR today or tomorrow to replace Watkins. Tyreek's and Chris Jone's rookie contracts end this year.

Clark has $63 mill guaranteed on the $105 mill contract. Should he be let go in 2023, the Chiefs would save $21 mill against the cap.
 
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PANDFAN said:
they identified a need, wanted either him or white...bungles were going to pick bush if they didn't so they had to move in before them...solid pick
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arrowryan said:
He’s not a reach. He wouldn’t have been there if Pittsburgh had stayed at 20 and I’m fairly certain the Bengals would’ve taken Bush at 11 if he was there. They still have 2 picks on day 2; their normal 3rd round and a very early 3rd pick from acquired from OAK. The 2020 3rd round pick they gave up is fine because they’ll be getting a 3rd round comp pick next year for Bell.

The “he’s short” thing doesn’t make much sense to me. He tested out just as good as Devin White. Linebackers rarely use their height to make plays anyway.

Bottom line, Pittsburgh needed to fix their situation at inside linebacker. They did it with someone who has GREAT sideline-to-sideline speed and that is needed in toady’s NFL. One GM for a team had Bush at #2 on their big board. It would’ve been a risky move to wait until a later round to get a LB. They tried to trade up last year, they failed, and it showed on Sundays.
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I get that Pitt needed to fix an issue at MLB. You can't however let concerns about what other teams may do dictate what you do and possibly over pay as a result. If the Pats needed someone for their interior DL, should they have moved up to get Ed Oliver in front of the Bills or moved up to 2 to get Williams before the Jets drafted him? How far do you go?

Additionally it isn't just over paying. Is Bush really the 10th best player in the draft? If not, then that in part defines whether or not you're reaching when drafting.

As far as "testing out", are you referring to the combine results? If the GM went up 10 spots and traded that capital because of combine results, he should be fired.

I tend to look at what the Pats do. Very infrequently do they move up in the draft. The play is usually to stand pat (no pun intended) or move back and acquire more picks. More picks equals more opportunities for hits.

Lastly, if ACamp likes the Steelers move, Steelers fans shouldn't.
 
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GM for KC structured Frank Clark's contract well (post 255) with a salary of $850K this year, then it bumps up to $24 mill next year. So, KC's cap stays in $20 mill range for 2019. In 2020, Sammy Watkins can be let go for $14 mill in cap savings.

So, as far as the draft goes, KC can draft a WR today or tomorrow to replace Watkins. Tyreek's and Chris Jone's rookie contracts end this year.

Clark has $63 mill guaranteed on the $105 mill contract. Should he be let go in 2023, the Chiefs would save $21 mill against the cap.
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Tyreek may end this year as well.
 
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Legacy said:
We'll see. He is not being charged. Either way, expect a WR in the draft.
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It'll be interesting. Some audio came out last night after Goodell was interviewed pre draft and the Chiefs again have something to worry about.
 
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Legacy said:
We'll see. He is not being charged. Either way, expect a WR in the draft. There's a lot of value in the WR in the draft this year.
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Easily the best and deepest position remaining. S is pretty good too, with CB at third IMO.
OL is still decent. OT has a few high guys, and OG is just plain deep imo.
 
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Me2SouthBend said:
I get that Pitt needed to fix an issue at MLB. You can't however let concerns about what other teams may do dictate what you do and possibly over pay as a result. If the Pats needed someone for their interior DL, should they have moved up to get Ed Oliver in front of the Bills or moved up to 2 to get Williams before the Jets drafted him? How far do you go?

Additionally it isn't just over paying. Is Bush really the 10th best player in the draft? If not, then that in part defines whether or not you're reaching when drafting.

As far as "testing out", are you referring to the combine results? If the GM went up 10 spots and traded that capital because of combine results, he should be fired.

I tend to look at what the Pats do. Very infrequently do they move up in the draft. The play is usually to stand pat (no pun intended) or move back and acquire more picks. More picks equals more opportunities for hits.

Lastly, if ACamp likes the Steelers move, Steelers fans shouldn't.
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No, the Pats moving from 32 to 8 or 9 is a lot different than Pittsburgh going from 20 to 10. You can’t compare the two. You’re the only one that I know of that thinks Pittsburgh gave up too much. I don’t think they overpaid at all.

Never did I say that Pitt moved up because of combine results. They moved up because he fills a giant need, the staff obviously really likes him, and the way he plays the position fits what the Steelers want in their linebackers.

At the end of the day, Pittsburgh is one of the best drafting teams in the league. It’s hard to question their draft decisions most of the time.
 
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Drafting high in the first is good practice for Pittsburgh,... this will be their world now.
 
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arrowryan said:
No, the Pats moving from 32 to 8 or 9 is a lot different than Pittsburgh going from 20 to 10. You can’t compare the two. You’re the only one that I know of that thinks Pittsburgh gave up too much. I don’t think they overpaid at all.

Never did I say that Pitt moved up because of combine results. They moved up because he fills a giant need, the staff obviously really likes him, and the way he plays the position fits what the Steelers want in their linebackers.

At the end of the day, Pittsburgh is one of the best drafting teams in the league. It’s hard to question their draft decisions most of the time.
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Okay, you believe they didn't over pay, I believe they did. We'll have to agree to disagree.

You did say he tested out as well as White, if not the combine, I'm wondering what that is in reference to. I get it that he fits a need and they really like him, that doesn't make it mutually exclusive from the move being a reach.

I agree, they tend to draft well, especially in the later rounds which is all the more reason I think they should hold on to draft capital. We shall see.

In case you're wondering, I'm actually a Steeler fan unlike Mr. A Campbell.
 
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Me2SouthBend said:
Okay, you believe they didn't over pay, I believe they did. We'll have to agree to disagree.

You did say he tested out as well as White, if not the combine, I'm wondering what that is in reference to. I get it that he fits a need and they really like him, that doesn't make it mutually exclusive from the move being a reach.

I agree, they tend to draft well, especially in the later rounds which is all the more reason I think they should hold on to draft capital. We shall see.

In case you're wondering, I'm actually a Steeler fan unlike Mr. A Campbell.
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Only time will tell if they overpaid. But I’m talking about his combine numbers. 40 time, 3 cone, etc
 
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I think the Colts could very well trade back from 34. Especially if they think DreMont Jones and Juwaan Taylor will be there a few picks down from there.
 
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arrowryan said:
Only time will tell if they overpaid. But I’m talking about his combine numbers. 40 time, 3 cone, etc
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They moved up to fill a need and block Cincy on the same need, but I’m thrilled they did it lol.

They forced Cincy into addressing the OL with the best OL in the draft, rather than allowing them to get Devin Bush, who would fill a need but wasn’t tops at his position.

I’d love Cincy to go OL again in the second, then target Coney and Tranquill in the 3rd and 4th. Get the band back together.
 
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Just looked at team needs on NFL.COM and there is about to be a CB run. I think 25+ of the teams have CB/DB as a need.

Julian better not fall out of the 2nd round, and the earlier the better.
 
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I need to not post while drinking... I don't even remember making some of the smack talk posts I apparently made in this thread.... lol
 
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Sea Turtle said:
You looking forward to tonight my man? 4 picks, maybe more from the sound of things.

Who's on your wishlist?
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I'm always on board with teams trading back and accruing capital. With that said: Jawaan Taylor makes sense if they want a high-value OT. Chauncy Gardner-Johnson at S, Greedy W. or Byron Murphy at CB and DK Metcalf or Parris Campbell at WR.

Those have to be at the top of the board right now, right? If they can grab two of those guys from that list, that'd be a really good start.

If they trade back, they can probably get 2 players for each position need and drastically increase the possibility of success.
 
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RDU Irish said:
1) Couldn't agree more.

2) That's what she said.
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She said we should encourage late night drunken rants by happy Browns fans :)
We've lacked a truly late night drunk rant for a while now.


Sea Turtle said:
You looking forward to tonight my man? 4 picks, maybe more from the sound of things.

Who's on your wishlist?
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stoked and can't wait!

WR AJ Brown at 34
S-CGJ or S-Thornhill at 46
CB-J Love or DT-D Jones or WR-Isabella at 59
RB-Bennie Snell at 89

I'd be very happy hitting 2 of those.

Heard buzz though they might look to trade back again lol.....
 
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Irish YJ said:
She said we should encourage late night drunken rants by happy Browns fans :)
We've lacked a truly late night drunk rant for a while now.
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Oh, it's been pretty drunk... I just don't have the stamina I once had....
 
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Veritate Duce Progredi said:
I'm always on board with teams trading back and accruing capital. With that said: Jawaan Taylor makes sense if they want a high-value OT. Chauncy Gardner-Johnson at S, Greedy W. or Byron Murphy at CB and DK Metcalf or Parris Campbell at WR.

Those have to be at the top of the board right now, right? If they can grab two of those guys from that list, that'd be a really good start.

If they trade back, they can probably get 2 players for each position need and drastically increase the possibility of success.
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Well said. I like all of those except Greedy for the Colts. He's a man press corner who doesn't tackle while the Colts play zone. But who knows?
 
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Irish YJ said:
i didn't see your rant yet, but it wasn't ban worthy, so you're obviously not trying hard enough. don't be low energy Acamp.
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Irish YJ said:
She said we should encourage late night drunken rants by happy Browns fans :)
We've lacked a truly late night drunk rant for a while now.




stoked and can't wait!

WR AJ Brown at 34
S-CGJ or S-Thornhill at 46
CB-J Love or DT-D Jones or WR-Isabella at 59
RB-Bennie Snell at 89

I'd be very happy hitting 2 of those.

Heard buzz though they might look to trade back again lol.....
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Yeah, word is the 34th being traded is pretty much a done deal. Probably the Jets.

Give me Jones, Metcalf, Taylor and Banogu tonight and I will not need the little blue pill tonight :)
 
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