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Welcome to the party Brazil!

i have friends from Brazil who left and came to the US 10+ years ago because of all the shit going down. I also have friends still there... They all really like the new guy. They are really overdue for a change. Hope he doesn't end up as corrupt as the previous regimes.
 

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Why is it so hard to ask for very simple things to vote. The same simple things required for everything else in life. Why is it so hard to ask that someone that is obviously capable of getting out to vote, to know their address, or to get out and simply get an ID over a 4 year, or even 2 year span.

Why is it so easy for dems to spend millions or billions on complaining about a simple ask, when they could spend the same amount of money curing the very small portion impacted. Why do dems state that the Blue Wave includes undocumented illegal immigrants and call for open borders while at the same time minimizing the amount of voter fraud?

Reminder that basically every single first-world, democratic country has voter ID laws. As do many developing or impoverished nations with much higher turnout than lazy Americans who "can't get an ID."

Also, reminder that voter ID laws are overwhelming supported by Americans... 75% of Americans in 2015 said they supported voter ID laws. That includes 65% African Americans, 64% Hispanic Americans, and 60% of Democrats.

But Eddy has never given a shit about facts or common sense.
 

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Reminder that basically every single first-world, democratic country has voter ID laws. As do many developing or impoverished nations with much higher turnout than lazy Americans who "can't get an ID."

Also, reminder that voter ID laws are overwhelming supported by Americans... 75% of Americans in 2015 said they supported voter ID laws. That includes 65% African Americans, 64% Hispanic Americans, and 60% of Democrats.

But Eddy has never given a shit about facts or common sense.

You just described most of the blue side.
 

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Reminder that basically every single first-world, democratic country has voter ID laws. As do many developing or impoverished nations with much higher turnout than lazy Americans who "can't get an ID."

Also, reminder that voter ID laws are overwhelming supported by Americans... 75% of Americans in 2015 said they supported voter ID laws. That includes 65% African Americans, 64% Hispanic Americans, and 60% of Democrats.

But Eddy has never given a shit about facts or common sense.

Voter fraud is virtually non-existent. That is a fact. I can't help it that you deny facts that have proven to be true and choose to believe "alternative facts" that are made up on a daily basis. Pull your head out of the sand.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

So why is the Republican party so hell-bent on restricting who can and who cannot vote? Why do you want to prevent eligible voters from casting a ballot? The answer is simple. If every eligible voter casts a ballot, the Republicans would get their ass kicked on a regular basis.
 

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But Eddy has never given a shit about facts or common sense.

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i have friends from Brazil who left and came to the US 10+ years ago because of all the shit going down. I also have friends still there... They all really like the new guy. They are really overdue for a change. Hope he doesn't end up as corrupt as the previous regimes.

I haven't really followed but what I can gather from our media:

-He's racist
-He's misogynistic
-He hates poor people
-He wants to burn the rain forests to the ground
-Brazil is a country of truly terrible and hate filled people for electing such a monster.

I think that about covers the vibes... I am concerned about opening up protected lands I will give them that much.
 

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Voter fraud is virtually non-existent. That is a fact. I can't help it that you deny facts that have proven to be true and choose to believe "alternative facts" that are made up on a daily basis. Pull your head out of the sand.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

So why is the Republican party so hell-bent on restricting who can and who cannot vote? Why do you want to prevent eligible voters from casting a ballot? The answer is simple. If every eligible voter casts a ballot, the Republicans would get their ass kicked on a regular basis.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/08/election-fraud-registered-voters-outnumber-eligible-voters-462-counties/

Easier to prevent than to prove by it's very nature. Your argument is largely like saying speeding does not happen if the cops don't pull anyone over (or more to the point - don't even patrol that road).

As for what I witnessed - cigarettes handed out to folks getting on the bus (Illinois plates) outside the downtown MKE polling location in 2000 - this article says the same tactic was confirmed for absentee ballots.
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/14/us/counting-vote-wisconsin-gop-wisconsin-collects-election-complaints-considers.html

Isolated incident my behind. But not proven so it didn't happen. All kinds of hijinks in Wisconsin that year, primarily in the urban Dem strongholds. Some heavy Gore precincts were well over 100% turnout - can't find the documentation on that but remember it distinctly.

2004 - how isn't this national news? Not suppression? Adult sons of a sitting Congresswoman and a former Mayor of MKE "vandalize" 100 Republican party cars?
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12498215/ns/politics/t/lawmakers-son-sentenced-slashing-tires/#.W9cjMGhKiUk

Fair minded people are pro ID laws.
 

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Voter fraud is virtually non-existent. That is a fact. I can't help it that you deny facts that have proven to be true and choose to believe "alternative facts" that are made up on a daily basis. Pull your head out of the sand.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

So why is the Republican party so hell-bent on restricting who can and who cannot vote? Why do you want to prevent eligible voters from casting a ballot? The answer is simple. If every eligible voter casts a ballot, the Republicans would get their ass kicked on a regular basis.

Asking people to show a state-issued ID does not restrict anyone from voting.

You still clinging to that laughable PO box thing? Or that people can't be expected to know their f'ing address?
 

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Asking people to show a state-issued ID does not restrict anyone from voting.

You still clinging to that laughable PO box thing? Or that people can't be expected to know their f'ing address?

Not at all. Just wondering why you don't want every eligible voter to vote.

The street address is just one tactic to reduce minority voting. There are multiple efforts in other states utilizing equally dubious ploys to reduce minority voting. I don't know about North Dakota, but in Michigan you must take a half day or a full day off work so you can wait hours in a line at the Secretary of State's office to obtain a driver's license or state ID card. Not an easy task for someone whose job depends on them showing up for work every day.
 

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Voter fraud is virtually non-existent. That is a fact. I can't help it that you deny facts that have proven to be true and choose to believe "alternative facts" that are made up on a daily basis. Pull your head out of the sand.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

So why is the Republican party so hell-bent on restricting who can and who cannot vote? Why do you want to prevent eligible voters from casting a ballot? The answer is simple. If every eligible voter casts a ballot, the Republicans would get their ass kicked on a regular basis.

Notice how he doesn't actually respond to anything I said in the post he quoted. I made factual comments about other countries having voter ID laws and that voter ID laws are supported by the majority of Americans in every demographic slice.

His response? Ranting about voter fraud and Republicans.

Classic.
 

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Not at all. Just wondering why you don't want every eligible voter to vote.

The street address is just one tactic to reduce minority voting. There are multiple efforts in other states utilizing equally dubious ploys to reduce minority voting. I don't know about North Dakota, but in Michigan you must take a half day or a full day off work so you can wait hours in a line at the Secretary of State's office to obtain a driver's license or state ID card. Not an easy task for someone whose job depends on them showing up for work every day.

Where did you read ND or anyone else say they didn't want every eligible voter to vote?

Are the Dems providing assistance in getting people to their local agency to get the proper ID? Have the Dems created a transportation plan to take minorities to their respective polling place?
 
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Not at all. Just wondering why you don't want every eligible voter to vote.

They're not eligible voters without an ID.

The street address is just one tactic to reduce minority voting. There are multiple efforts in other states utilizing equally dubious ploys to reduce minority voting. I don't know about North Dakota, but in Michigan you must take a half day or a full day off work so you can wait hours in a line at the Secretary of State's office to obtain a driver's license or state ID card. Not an easy task for someone whose job depends on them showing up for work every day.

Did a quick google search and it looks like you can schedule an appointment ahead of time and they have extended hours once a week until 7pm. You can renew your ID online as well. There are many states where this can be done on Saturdays as well, i.e., IN and IL.

I can't imagine an employed, functional adult is incapable of finding the time to get a ID, whether it's a license or state ID.

But if an individual is simply too dumb, lazy or just doesn't give a shit enough to get an ID, I don't want their vote cancelling out mine. And I'm certainly not going to waste my time to help them sleepwalk through life for the sole purpose of voting against my interests.
 

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I haven't really followed but what I can gather from our media:

-He's racist
-He's misogynistic
-He hates poor people
-He wants to burn the rain forests to the ground
-Brazil is a country of truly terrible and hate filled people for electing such a monster.

I think that about covers the vibes... I am concerned about opening up protected lands I will give them that much.

1. Claims he's a political outsider. That isn't exactly the case, as he spent seven terms in their congress. Also a former military officer.

2. He once said if he had a gay son, he'd prefer his gay son die in an accident.

3. He said in 2014 of a fellow lawmaker in congress wasn’t attractive enough to be raped because she was ugly. “She’s not my type. I would never rape her. I’m not a rapist, but if I were, I wouldn’t rape her because she doesn’t deserve it,”

4. Claimed Brazil's military dictatorship of the past was "glorious."

So, yeah, yay. Welcome to the party.
 

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Not at all. Just wondering why you don't want every eligible voter to vote.

The street address is just one tactic to reduce minority voting. There are multiple efforts in other states utilizing equally dubious ploys to reduce minority voting. I don't know about North Dakota, but in Michigan you must take a half day or a full day off work so you can wait hours in a line at the Secretary of State's office to obtain a driver's license or state ID card. Not an easy task for someone whose job depends on them showing up for work every day.

Do minority folks not have street addresses? Even farmers who live 30-40 minutes from town have an address. In fact, I have never met someone who doesn't have an address. That "PO Box" claim you cling to is absurd.

I don't care if everyone votes. If you want to vote, you should vote. In fact, I'd encourage them to do so. That might mean going through the effort to get a state ID. I've never waited longer than 15 minutes at a DMV in ND. In Florida, I waited about 30 minutes to get my license. That was because I went during lunch time, should have went early like I normally do. Sorry your DMV sucks.
 

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Do minority folks not have street addresses? Even farmers who live 30-40 minutes from town have an address. In fact, I have never met someone who doesn't have an address. That "PO Box" claim you cling to is absurd.

I don't care if everyone votes. If you want to vote, you should vote. In fact, I'd encourage them to do so. That might mean going through the effort to get a state ID. I've never waited longer than 15 minutes at a DMV in ND. In Florida, I waited about 30 minutes to get my license. That was because I went during lunch time, should have went early like I normally do. Sorry your DMV sucks.

I work in MI. My assistant went to the Sec State ofc (Niles) to register a new vehicle without any kind of an appointment. She was back in 45 minutes with completed registration and a McDonalds value meal. Nothing personal Eddy but my anecdote is as valid as yours is.
 

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Voter fraud is virtually non-existent. That is a fact. I can't help it that you deny facts that have proven to be true and choose to believe "alternative facts" that are made up on a daily basis. Pull your head out of the sand.

https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

So why is the Republican party so hell-bent on restricting who can and who cannot vote? Why do you want to prevent eligible voters from casting a ballot? The answer is simple. If every eligible voter casts a ballot, the Republicans would get their ass kicked on a regular basis.

No, it's not a fact. It's simply hard to prove when liberal judges fight any effort to bring suit, and liberal states won't release their data.

Here are some facts....

Between 2009 and 2014, the Washington, D.C., exurb of more than 350,000 residents had disqualified more than 9,000 of them for jury duty because they were not U.S. citizens. That's 2.6% of registered voters that are illegal.

In Kansas, as much as 3% of jury selection were disqualified because of illegal status.

Lib media and politicians spin the above with enough mental gymnastics to make Einstein want to put a fork in his eye.
 

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Eliminating the extraneous words typlifying those with whom you disagree...

Sounds like the free IDs they are giving out, need to include an address. Pretty simple, no?

While voting is a right, it is also a responsibility. They don't even have to have an ID, just something, like a bill with their address on it if I read the two articles correctly.

Voting should not be political. Voter ID laws are common sense, not political. Convenience is relative. My hillbilly grandfather walked 10 miles a day to work and back, and never missed a vote with the exception of the year he broke his back. I've spent hours waiting, and never missed work to vote.

The first article says the people simply don't think in terms of streets and avenues. Sorry, but learning your address, and getting a free ID from your tribe with that address, or taking a bill with you, is far from suppression.

And.... if you pay your taxes, you have an address. If you serve in the military, you have an ID, and should be capable of maintaining an ID in 99% of the cases.

I referred to this in a past post.
Judge Tosses Kansas' Proof-Of-Citizenship Voter Law And Rebukes Sec. Of State Kobach (NPR)

I think it's clear that many on the board have never been to reservations or pueblos where they typically do not have addresses. Those cinder block government built buildings however do. As far as the largest reservations in terms of population, five of the top ten (and three of the top four) are in Arizona. (Navajo Nation covers territory the size of Wst Virginia, 27,000 acres. The Navajos also have tribal land in New Mexico.) Largest Native American Reservations in the U.S.
(2010 Census figures)


Their soverenty manifests itself in one way by use to tribal identifications that allows their members to vote in their tribal elections.

So, here's Arizona's voting laws
Voter Registration
To vote in Arizona, one must be a citizen of the United States and a resident of an Arizona county. A voter must be 18 years or older on or before Election Day.[1]

To be eligible to vote in an election one must register at least 29 days prior to the election. A citizen can register online, in person at the county recorder's office, or by mail.[1]

Citizens must provide proof of citizenship to register to vote. Acceptable forms of documentation include birth certificates, passports, and U.S. naturalization documents. On June 4, 2018, Secretary of State Michele Reagan announced that proof of citizenship would not be required of individuals who have already provided such proof to the state department of motor vehicle. Reagan also announced that the state would allow individuals who registered without providing proof of citizenship to cast ballots in federal elections (though not in state or local elections).[1][2]

Voter identification
See also: Voter identification laws by state
To vote on Election Day in Arizona, a voter must present some form of identification at the polls. The identification does not necessarily need to include a photo. A voter can either present a photo ID that includes his or her name and registered address, or two forms of non-photo ID that include the voter's name and registered address. Proposition 200, approved by voters in 2004, required voters to present evidence of U.S. citizenship prior to voting. On June 17, 2013, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that states cannot require proof of citizenship in cases of voter registration for federal elections unless the state receives federal or court approval to do so. The court ruled 7-2. Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas dissented.[3][4][5][6]

As of October 1, 2018, 34 states enforced (or were scheduled to begin enforcing) voter identification requirements. A total of 17 states required voters to present photo identification, while 17 accepted other forms of identification. In some states, a voter who is unable to present valid identification may still be permitted to vote without casting a provisional ballot; this is known as a non-strict requirement. In 10 of the 17 states that require a photo ID, the requirement is non-strict. In 14 of the 17 states that require non-photo identification, the requirement is non-strict. In the remaining states, voters without valid forms of identification are required to cast provisional ballots; this is known as a strict requirement. Valid forms of identification differ by state. Commonly accepted forms of ID include driver's licenses, state-issued identification cards, and military identification cards.[7][8]

Further info from the Secretary of State's office including the types of identification that are acceptable, which include tribal ids or census cards.

Does anyone think that we'll have rampant voter fraud in Arizona because it does not restict voting the way that the unconstitutional Kansas law did?

I also would not assume Native Americans, for one, will vote for one party. The Native Sun News is a prominent and influential Native American publication.
"I have been in this business for a long long time. I have seen Democrats and Republicans come and go," says Tim Giago, the founder of the Native Sun News. "What I am trying to do out here is ask our people in editorials to please stop being locked into one party. Neither party has done you any good. Sign yourself up as an independent so both parties have to come to you instead of just being taken for granted like we have for years."

This is about giving all American citizens the opportunity to vote.
 
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An interesting article about Native American voting in North Dakota, which does detail how easy it was to vote, but how that changed after Heidi H. got elected to the Senate. Native Americans make up 5.5% of the population. The Standing Rock Reservation covers 2.3 million acres. In the last midterm in 2014, only 255,000 N.D. citizens voted.

WHAT STANDS IN THE WAY OF NATIVE AMERICAN VOTERS?

Between 2008 and 2016, Sioux County averaged a voter turnout rate of 39.5 percent, the lowest among North Dakota’s 53 counties, according to a Center for Public Integrity analysis of data from the North Dakota secretary of state's office. Two other counties whose populations are majority Native American have the second- and third-lowest turnout in the state over the same period.
“Why is it getting harder and harder for Native Americans to vote? This law clearly discriminates against Native Americans in North Dakota,” Standing Rock Sioux Tribal Chairman Mike Faith said. “Our voices should be heard and they should be heard fairly at the polls just like all other Americans.”
 
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An interesting article about Native American voting in North Dakota, which does detail how easy it was to vote, but how that changed after Heidi H. got elected to the Senate. Native Americans make up 5.5% of the population. The Standing Rock Reservation covers 2.3 million acres. In the last midterm in 2014, only 255,000 N.D. citizens voted.

WHAT STANDS IN THE WAY OF NATIVE AMERICAN VOTERS?

also from that article below... note the three reasons listed don't include address requirements, long waits, lack of polling places, etc... The article also states that even before the stricter requirements came into play, Native Americans had very low turnout. This really has zero to do with the address requirement, but you have provided background that the group as a whole has always had low turnout.

There are many reasons why residents of Standing Rock don’t vote: the pressures associated with poverty, a sense of disenfranchisement and apathy, a lack of trust in government and politicians driven by unjust treatment of Native Americans over generations.

And for the record, I want all Americans to vote. It's sounds like this is more of a cultural/historical lack of motivation than anything else.
 

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Legacy - instead of posting a foot of links, answer the Q.. in KC, did 2-3% of jury rolls include illegal immigrants? Same Q on DC....

The answer is yes on both.

The judge in KC is a known lib/activist. And..... She did not challenge the fact that illegals made up 2-3% of jury rolls / registered voters in certain counties.

And you still haven't commented on the dem's publicly saying that the blue wave is made up of documented and undocumented.... please explain exactly what that means?

Eliminating the extraneous words typlifying those with whom you disagree...



I referred to this in a past post.
Judge Tosses Kansas' Proof-Of-Citizenship Voter Law And Rebukes Sec. Of State Kobach (NPR)

I think it's clear that many on the board have never been to reservations or pueblos where they typically do not have addresses. Those cinder block government built buildings however do. As far as the largest reservations in terms of population, five of the top ten (and three of the top four) are in Arizona. (Navajo Nation covers territory the size of Wst Virginia, 27,000 acres. The Navajos also have tribal land in New Mexico.) Largest Native American Reservations in the U.S.
(2010 Census figures)


Their soverenty manifests itself in one way by use to tribal identifications that allows their members to vote in their tribal elections.

So, here's Arizona's voting laws




Further info from the Secretary of State's office including the types of identification that are acceptable, which include tribal ids or census cards.

Does anyone think that we'll have rampant voter fraud in Arizona because it does not restict voting the way that the unconstitutional Kansas law did?

I also would not assume Native Americans, for one, will vote for one party. The Native Sun News is a prominent and influential Native American publication.


This is about giving all American citizens the opportunity to vote.
 

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1. Claims he's a political outsider. That isn't exactly the case, as he spent seven terms in their congress. Also a former military officer.

2. He once said if he had a gay son, he'd prefer his gay son die in an accident.

3. He said in 2014 of a fellow lawmaker in congress wasn’t attractive enough to be raped because she was ugly. “She’s not my type. I would never rape her. I’m not a rapist, but if I were, I wouldn’t rape her because she doesn’t deserve it,”

4. Claimed Brazil's military dictatorship of the past was "glorious."

So, yeah, yay. Welcome to the party.

Libs have been in charge of Brazil for 30 years, and it's a complete mess and corrupt as hell. If memory serves, the last lib president is in jail on corruption charges, and the current lib running is up on corruption charges.

If people are willing to elect a heel like Bolsonaro, what does that say about the lib party...
 

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An interesting article about Native American voting in North Dakota, which does detail how easy it was to vote, but how that changed after Heidi H. got elected to the Senate. Native Americans make up 5.5% of the population. The Standing Rock Reservation covers 2.3 million acres. In the last midterm in 2014, only 255,000 N.D. citizens voted.

WHAT STANDS IN THE WAY OF NATIVE AMERICAN VOTERS?

Most of standing rock is not even in North Dakota.
 

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Legacy - instead of posting a foot of links, answer the Q.. in KC, did 2-3% of jury rolls include illegal immigrants? Same Q on DC....

The answer is yes on both.

The judge in KC is a known lib/activist. And..... She did not challenge the fact that illegals made up 2-3% of jury rolls / registered voters in certain counties.

And you still haven't commented on the dem's publicly saying that the blue wave is made up of documented and undocumented.... please explain exactly what that means?

KC or the state of Kansas? Most of KC is in Missouri.

You do avoid my points and politicizing voting registration - Dems, libs, leftists, etc. However, I made the mistake in responding to you, so let me compound that. The lib/activist federal judge, Julie Robinson, was appointed by George Bush. Kobach was the lead attorney for the state. He had ample opportunity to present his case in court that there was a "substantial number" of non-citizens who had managed to vote in Kansas and that the figures on drivers license registration by non-citizens and his figures "that since 1999, his office had confirmed 127 cases of noncitizens who had either registered to vote or attempted to do so. Of that number, 43 had succeeded in registering and 11 had voted". He couldn't prove that his assertion that the above numbers were "the tip of the iceberg". In fact, she wrote that “Instead, the Court draws the more obvious conclusion that there is no iceberg; only an icicle, largely created by confusion and administrative error.” and that "there was evidence of a 'small number of noncitizen registrations in Kansas, it is largely explained by administrative error, confusion, or mistake."

From the article you read:
Robinson noted that Kansas is a state with some 1.8 million registered voters — and that the number of people in Kansas who aren't U.S. citizens who either registered to vote or tried to do so is 0.6 percent of the state's noncitizen population.

Based on the evidence, the judge ruled, Kansas' interests in preventing fraud, while legitimate, are "not strong enough to outweigh the tangible and quantifiable burden on eligible voter registration applicants in Kansas who were not registered to vote before January 1, 2013."

The federal judge had found Kobach in contempt of court two month prior and after the trial, sanctioned him, requiring him to complete community service. As noted, Kansas was found to be in violation of the Voting Rights Act. Obviously, that did not prevent him from being appointed to Trump's voting fraud commission which found no evidence of anything remotely close to voter fraud.

Finally, Kansas Motor Vehicle Dept has to offer voting registration to anyone who wishes wit any motor vehicle registration, but they must bring citizenship papers. Many did not have that documentation.

But, Kobach included those numbers in his assertion that 30,000+ people attempted voter fraud because they did not have or did not know they needed that documentation to vote. Seventy percent of those 30,000+ was from the motor vehicle registration papers not available from their visit to renew.

You are clearly on-board with these figures as representing voter fraud and not with the findings of the court that "0.6 percent of the state's noncitizen population" had tried to illegally register to vote or voted. That's of the "noncitizen population".

Read the link or not. But comment on it with some understanding of the facts without pretense.
 
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Libs have been in charge of Brazil for 30 years, and it's a complete mess and corrupt as hell. If memory serves, the last lib president is in jail on corruption charges, and the current lib running is up on corruption charges.

If people are willing to elect a heel like Bolsonaro, what does that say about the lib party...

Saw a crazy stat that he would actually won reelection from jail. Got caught up in some major corruption with a whole lot of money missing. I know a lot of Brazilians through BJJ and they are fantastic people. I'm really trying hard to figure out why they like Bolsonaro so much. He won by a whole lot of votes. He seems like a bit of a psycho.
 

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Saw a crazy stat that he would actually won reelection from jail. Got caught up in some major corruption with a whole lot of money missing. I know a lot of Brazilians through BJJ and they are fantastic people. I'm really trying hard to figure out why they like Bolsonaro so much. He won by a whole lot of votes. He seems like a bit of a psycho.

Rampant corruption, ridiculously high criminality - Brazil had over 60,000 murders in 2016, and a stagnant economy is my best guess.

Brazil was ruled by a military dictatorship until the mid 80s, and many Brazilians believe they had it better under that regime than they did with the current regime. I think this puts his comments regarding a military dictatorship in perspective.

Like it or not, his position on homosexuality is, by and large, similar to the position most people have held in human history. And I'm not so sure opinions have changed as much as our "leaders" would like to believe. If you took a global poll and that asked every adult walking planet Earth whether they align more with Bolsonaro's anti-gay views or do they have pro-gay views, what do you think would be the result? I'd guess the results would be shocking to most.

Brazil has problems and I'm not sure they can be resolved.
 

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So you posted another foot long rant.

Did Kansas (sorry not KC) find that 2-3% or registered voters in some places who were called for jury duty were illegal?

The answer is yes. Same with DC..

It's about the problem, which exists, not Kobach, or this specific case.

Here's what your regurgitations of lib sources do not share.

-They looked at 7 counties IIRC. One of the counties did have 3%. The others had less than 3%.
-The effort to provide more evidence was struck down by Robinson.
-Because of politics, it was incredibly hard to get data/facts
-Just because a judge is appointed by Bush, does not mean they are not liberal. Here's a cut from a local metro news source describing her as such, as well as her history.
The judge has a long history of fighting state attempts to strengthen proof for voting eligibility. Many states, including Kansas, have moved forward with requiring would-be voters to prove their citizenship when they try to register at motor vehicle bureaus. The judge has repeatedly ruled such laws are a “burden” on potential voters’ right to vote when asked to show proof of citizenship. She had previously struck down the Kansas law, championed by Kobach, requiring such proof.

Overall, the whole thing is over proof of citizenship required at the DMV. Nobody argued that the raw data provided was incorrect. He was ruled against because he could not prove it was the "tip of the iceberg". IMO, if you have 3% in any county, that means there's a problem that can be exploited, and needs to be fixed.

Kobach is running for gov in KS currently. Will be interesting to see what happens if elected.


KC or the state of Kansas? Most of KC is in Missouri.

You do avoid my points and politicizing voting registration - Dems, libs, leftists, etc. However, I made the mistake in responding to you, so let me compound that. The lib/activist federal judge, Julie Robinson, was appointed by George Bush. Kobach was the lead attorney for the state. He had ample opportunity to present his case in court that there was a "substantial number" of non-citizens who had managed to vote in Kansas and that the figures on drivers license registration by non-citizens and his figures "that since 1999, his office had confirmed 127 cases of noncitizens who had either registered to vote or attempted to do so. Of that number, 43 had succeeded in registering and 11 had voted". He couldn't prove that his assertion that the above numbers were "the tip of the iceberg". In fact, she wrote that “Instead, the Court draws the more obvious conclusion that there is no iceberg; only an icicle, largely created by confusion and administrative error.” and that "there was evidence of a 'small number of noncitizen registrations in Kansas, it is largely explained by administrative error, confusion, or mistake."

From the article you read:


The federal judge had found Kobach in contempt of court two month prior and after the trial, sanctioned him, requiring him to complete community service. As noted, Kansas was found to be in violation of the Voting Rights Act. Obviously, that did not prevent him from being appointed to Trump's voting fraud commission which found no evidence of anything remotely close to voter fraud.

Finally, Kansas Motor Vehicle Dept has to offer voting registration to anyone who wishes wit any motor vehicle registration, but they must bring citizenship papers. Many did not have that documentation.

But, Kobach included those numbers in his assertion that 30,000+ people attempted voter fraud because they did not have or did not know they needed that documentation to vote. Seventy percent of those 30,000+ was from the motor vehicle registration papers not available from their visit to renew.

You are clearly on-board with these figures as representing voter fraud and not with the findings of the court that "0.6 percent of the state's noncitizen population" had tried to illegally register to vote or voted. That's of the "noncitizen population".

Read the link or not. But comment on it with some understanding of the facts without pretense.
 

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Not good optics....

Dem Sen. Joe Donnelly takes heat for awkward comment on hiring minority staffers, says he ‘misspoke’
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/de...-on-hiring-minority-staffers-says-he-misspoke

I only watched for one question about the environment. Except for stating they supported environmental issues, both Donnelly and Braun tap danced and never answered the question with suggestions or solutions.

News this morning reported Braun has a 3 point lead with a 4% margin for error. This will be close.
 
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