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I don't understand early voting? Are people so low agency they can't be bothered to make it on election day? If you are out of town I understand but that is why we have absentee ballots.

Just depends on where you vote. Before I moved, It was a nightmare voting on election day. You simply couldn't do it before work, on lunch, or in the evening without waiting hours. My current area is easy regardless of when you go.
 

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Somehow this country made it just fine for like 200 years or more without early voting.

I early vote so the 5 pieces of mail a day goes down to one or two.

Dem's are WAAAAAY better at utilizing this. Almost 5 to 1 in my state in 2016, despite losing by 10 points overall. Usually why the Rep's like to cut down the time. I personally don't know why a week or two early isn't enough.
 

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Somehow this country made it just fine for like 200 years or more without early voting.

It was only white guys that had to wait in line for a good portion of those 200 years.

I mean, think about how fast it had to have been. Make your mark, shoot your dinner, back home in front of the fire by sunset.
 

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Every time any form of this issue is brought up I think of stuff like this:

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That's hilarious. Those kids were struggling to come up with reasons and justifications. They just heard someone say it was racist and jumped on the #metoo train without giving it any real thought.
 

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You are not outraged that 13,000 people have one place to vote and that's outside of town?

The background, of course, is the Supreme Court decision that gutted the Voter Rights Act (VRA). One factor that led to the VRA was the work of the Civil Rights Commission chaired by Father Hesburgh that established federal oversight over voting to prevent abuses of the election process including voter suppression.

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Dodge City city, Kansas
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino - 35.0, Hispanic 59.1%

Liberal, Kansas has one voting site for 10,000 people on the edge of town near the airport. Quick Facts - 60% Hispanic, 30.6% White alone

The point being that voting is a right of all citizens which should be respected by making it easier to vote so that we are a nation that acknowledges our democratic principles. Hesburgh called voting a "civic sacrament".

Chicago's Mayor Daley was famous for illegal voting practices that kept the democrats in power for ages.
 

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That's hilarious. Those kids were struggling to come up with reasons and justifications. They just heard someone say it was racist and jumped on the #metoo train without giving it any real thought.

One "racist" response from the "non-racist liberal" (because there is no such thing as a racist liberal) interviewee ---- "I feel like that they (black voters) don't have the knowledge of how it works".
 

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Somehow this country made it just fine for like 200 years or more without early voting.

When one segment of eligible voters (urban, non-white voters) has to stand in line for four hours or more on election day to exercise their right to vote, there is something wrong with the system. When the system has been manipulated by those in power to create those long lines in selected precincts while other precincts are in and out in five minutes, there is something wrong with the system. When laws are passed with the intent of discouraging voters from exercising their right to vote, there is something wrong with the system.

Rather than discouraging voters from participation, the process should make it possible for every eligible voter to cast a ballot.

1. Adequate and accessible voting precincts for everyone
2. Extended days and hours for everyone
3. Early voting for everyone
4. Absentee ballots for everyone
5. Online voting for everyone
6. Automatic and permanent registration at the age of 18
7. Laws intended to restrict a legal citizen's voting rights should be unconstitutional
8. Local, state, and congressional districts created by bi-partisan committees rather than political parties
 

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When one segment of eligible voters (urban, non-white voters) has to stand in line for four hours or more on election day to exercise their right to vote, there is something wrong with the system. When the system has been manipulated by those in power to create those long lines in selected precincts while other precincts are in and out in five minutes, there is something wrong with the system. When laws are passed with the intent of discouraging voters from exercising their right to vote, there is something wrong with the system.

Rather than discouraging voters from participation, the process should make it possible for every eligible voter to cast a ballot.

1. Adequate and accessible voting precincts for everyone
2. Extended days and hours for everyone
3. Early voting for everyone
4. Absentee ballots for everyone
5. Online voting for everyone
6. Automatic and permanent registration at the age of 18
7. Laws intended to restrict a legal citizen's voting rights should be unconstitutional
8. Local, state, and congressional districts created by bi-partisan committees rather than political parties

I'm good with all of this, especially 5. But I also want a voter ID requirement.

I'd also point out that not everything is a conspiracy. I live in a more urban area now, than I did in the past. When I lived in the burbs, which was more "white" and more GOP, i had to drive a lot farther, had less options, and the wait was horrible. I now live in a more urban diverse area, and it's much, much easier. Very close, little to no wait no matter what time I go. Was my white GOP burb discriminated against?
 
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When one segment of eligible voters (urban, non-white voters) has to stand in line for four hours or more on election day to exercise their right to vote, there is something wrong with the system. When the system has been manipulated by those in power to create those long lines in selected precincts while other precincts are in and out in five minutes, there is something wrong with the system. When laws are passed with the intent of discouraging voters from exercising their right to vote, there is something wrong with the system.

Rather than discouraging voters from participation, the process should make it possible for every eligible voter to cast a ballot.

1. Adequate and accessible voting precincts for everyone
2. Extended days and hours for everyone
3. Early voting for everyone
4. Absentee ballots for everyone
5. Online voting for everyone
6. Automatic and permanent registration at the age of 18
7. Laws intended to restrict a legal citizen's voting rights should be unconstitutional
8. Local, state, and congressional districts created by bi-partisan committees rather than political parties

I always LMAO when people whine about voting. Regarding wait times, ideally, you'd like it to be shorter obviously. Urban areas are just naturally going to have to wait longer to vote like they do with literally everything.

Online voting sounds like a bad idea to me. TBH, I don't like digital voting machines either. I want paper.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">VOTE &#55357;&#56819; Let's Fly! >><a href="https://t.co/mRkX21eF1g">https://t.co/mRkX21eF1g</a><< &#55357;&#56490;&#55358;&#56709;&#55356;&#56826;&#55356;&#56824; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LetsFlyMI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LetsFlyMI</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MISen?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MISen</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeamJohnJames?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TeamJohnJames</a> <a href="https://t.co/8hF1Dd751T">pic.twitter.com/8hF1Dd751T</a></p>— John James (@JohnJamesMI) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnJamesMI/status/1055861948921851905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">VOTE �� Let's Fly! >><a href="https://t.co/mRkX21eF1g">https://t.co/mRkX21eF1g</a><< �������� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LetsFlyMI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LetsFlyMI</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MISen?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MISen</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeamJohnJames?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TeamJohnJames</a> <a href="https://t.co/8hF1Dd751T">pic.twitter.com/8hF1Dd751T</a></p>— John James (@JohnJamesMI) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnJamesMI/status/1055861948921851905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">VOTE �� Let's Fly! >><a href="https://t.co/mRkX21eF1g">https://t.co/mRkX21eF1g</a><< �������� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LetsFlyMI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LetsFlyMI</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MISen?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MISen</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeamJohnJames?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TeamJohnJames</a> <a href="https://t.co/8hF1Dd751T">pic.twitter.com/8hF1Dd751T</a></p>— John James (@JohnJamesMI) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnJamesMI/status/1055861948921851905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I've liked this guy a lot since he first came on the scene. He's been closing the gap a lot lately, but it's likely to late. Seems like a great dude.
 

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No, I'm not outraged. You have to look at the conditions that necessitated the move. They had no choice to move the polling place because of construction and they needed a big enough space to handle the volume of voters. Is it ideal, of course not. Is there another option in town? I don't know the answer to that. It sounds like the whole ADA thing is what prompted consolidation of the polling places into one polling place back in 2002. There seems to be plausible reasons for the consolidation and the current temporary move. Is it possibly something sinister to the move? I suppose there is a chance, but neither one of us know that.

My sarcastic comment about where is the outrage, has more to do with the liberals seeing racism in EVERYTHING. My point is that if Barton County was also 60% Hispanic, and they dropped the number of polling places from 23 to 11. The calls of racism would be shouted from the mountain tops. A reasonable person can understand why they are dropping from 23 to 11 and thus nobody says boo.

abc - Liberal is in Seward County. Dodge City is in Ford County. Liberal and Dodge City have meat packing plants attracting minority populations. Liberal and Dodge with Garden City make up the "meat triangle" in southwest Kansas and are minority-majority counties. In contrast, Barton county with 11 voting sites has a population of 27,000 and Ford county with one voting site out of town has a population of 19,800. With meat packing plants in town, the Hispanic population is 60%. Barton County has a 16% Hispanic population. Employees have forced many meat packing plants for regular and bathroom breaks. Some employees resorted to wearing diapers.

In Kansas, a federal judge recently struck down a voter id law requiring proof of citizenship which was passed by a predominately Republican legislature on the basis that it targeted groups like youth and minorities. The judge found that the law "disproportionately impacted duly qualified registration applicants, while only nominally preventing noncitizen voter registration.” The law required prospective voters to present a U.S. passport, birth certificate or other proof of citizenship in order to register to vote. Hispanics are less likely than their white counterparts to have access to a vehicle, have lower incomes and work in industries with less flexible schedules.

The Kansas Secretary of State, Kris Kobach, implemented some of the strictest voting regulations in the country and was the vice-chair of Trump's election integrity commission. He requested that each state provide all the personal information on every registered state voter in search of voting fraud. While many states refused to provide those and joined a lawsuit, no fraud was found. Kobach recently won the Rep primary for Governor by a few hundred votes. In the past he has tossed 20,000 provisional ballots without a review. He has questioned Obama's citizenship. The county clerk in Kansas is in charge of voting decisions. Ford county's county clerk, Debra Cox, emailed Kobach "LOL" in response to the ACLU's lawsuit alleging violations of the Voting Right Act.

Seventeen percent of Dodge City's Hispanic community that makes up 57% of their population voted in 2016. As I noted, twenty percent of residents meet the federal poverty guidelines. Their has been a strong voter registration drive among that population and potential first time voters. In this atmosphere, Hispanics may be more intimidated to register and have the opportunity to vote. While some are citizens, they may have an undocumented immigrant in their household.

As an essential element for democracy in our society - Hesburgh called it "a civic sacrament" - and as the only vehicle by which citizens can express their opinions on our government, such voting restrictions with hardships handicap citizens who are first time voters or poor and who rely on their jobs to provide their families with income. Also of note, addresses in rural areas tend to be post office boxes. So requiring numbered addresses as some states have done restrictions their voting rights. This has been a barrier for such minorities as Native American tribal members to vote. In comparison, a farmer in rural Kansas can take time off, has transportation, and those voting restrictions do not handicap or intimidate him from voting.

I am in favor of voting laws such as automatic registration in any government office that requires an id, polling places that are convenient for all voters, as well as those that Eddy noted including early voting, which is more convenient for many. We can consider a National Holiday for voting. Some workplaces give their employees paid time off to vote though some companies like in meat-packing may be forced to provide bathroom breaks. As far as Dodge City's voting goes and the ADA, their schools which are, i assume, are ADA-accessible would be excellent choices. The schools in Dodge have volunteered for voting polling stations and are used throughout the nation, but rejected by Cox. I think we need secure on-line voting processes to prevent hacking.

Dodge City’s out-of-town polling place adds to fears of voter suppression in Kansas (Wichita Eagle)

From suppression to fraud:
Voting obstacles of 2018
(Wichita Eagle)

Tribes scramble to meet voter ID requirements in North Dakota (CBS)
 
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Voting in ND is easy as hell. Unfair to poor people, lmao....what a joke.

Indians up that way just get riled up whenever some liberal folks on the coast tell them they are victims. Just looking for excuses since Heitkamp is getting punished by 10-15 points.

yup, that article is a joke. "We don't think of streets and avenues." Even the article said ND is lax, and is the only state without voter registration.....

Sounds simple to me... If you're the tribe leader, simply make sure all your folks know their address. It also says they can't afford to pay for ID cards, yet it says the tribes are giving ID cards out for free.

i want voting to be easy, secure, and validated for everyone. Being pissed that you have to learn your address to vote, is fake and lazy outrage.
 

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Many Native IDs Won't Be Accepted At North Dakota Polling Places

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/13/6571...nt-be-accepted-at-north-dakota-polling-places (NPR)

Tens of thousands of North Dakotans, including Native and non-Native residents, do not have residential addresses on their IDs and will now find it harder to vote.

They will have the option of proving their residency with "supplemental documentation," like utility bills, but according to court records, about 18,000 North Dakotans don't have those documents, either.

And in North Dakota, every resident is eligible to vote without advance voter registration — so people might not discover the problem until they show up to cast their ballot.

Ballotpedia has full Voting Policy by state with interactive chart and voting news. https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_Policy

Voting for citizens should not be political, inconvenient, limited or suppressed. Native Americans did not have the right to vote until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 - but pay taxes, served their country in the military, are involved in their community and may hold state government positions, etc.
 
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Sounds like the free IDs they are giving out, need to include an address. Pretty simple, no?

While voting is a right, it is also a responsibility. They don't even have to have an ID, just something, like a bill with their address on it if I read the two articles correctly.

Voting should not be political. Voter ID laws are common sense, not political. Convenience is relative. My hillbilly grandfather walked 10 miles a day to work and back, and never missed a vote with the exception of the year he broke his back. I've spent hours waiting, and never missed work to vote.

The first article says the people simply don't think in terms of streets and avenues. Sorry, but learning your address, and getting a free ID from your tribe with that address, or taking a bill with you, is far from suppression.

And.... if you pay your taxes, you have an address. If you serve in the military, you have an ID, and should be capable of maintaining an ID in 99% of the cases.

All the effort that the left puts into moaning and groaning about voter ID laws, would be better served by helping the very small percent of people that actually struggle to get an ID, obtain one. It would likely cost a lot less money and effort, and would end the silliness.

But that will never happen because they prefer to make the issue a political call for action, instead of solving the very small problem.
 

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Sounds like the free IDs they are giving out, need to include an address. Pretty simple, no?

While voting is a right, it is also a responsibility. They don't even have to have an ID, just something, like a bill with their address on it if I read the two articles correctly.

Voting should not be political. Voter ID laws are common sense, not political. Convenience is relative. My hillbilly grandfather walked 10 miles a day to work and back, and never missed a vote with the exception of the year he broke his back. I've spent hours waiting, and never missed work to vote.

The first article says the people simply don't think in terms of streets and avenues. Sorry, but learning your address, and getting a free ID from your tribe with that address, or taking a bill with you, is far from suppression.

And.... if you pay your taxes, you have an address. If you serve in the military, you have an ID, and should be capable of maintaining an ID in 99% of the cases.

All the effort that the left puts into moaning and groaning about voter ID laws, would be better served by helping the very small percent of people that actually struggle to get an ID, obtain one. It would likely cost a lot less money and effort, and would end the silliness.

But that will never happen because they prefer to make the issue a political call for action, instead of solving the very small problem.

Natives love playing stupid games like this. I've been to the each reservation in North Dakota. Are they nice places? Nope. Are they living in teepee's or some shit? No. They are grown ups, they can go get an ID if for whatever reason they don't have one just like everybody else does. They need it to drive cars and buy the white man's firewater anyway.
 

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Natives love playing stupid games like this. I've been to the each reservation in North Dakota. Are they nice places? Nope. Are they living in teepee's or some shit? No. They are grown ups, they can go get an ID if for whatever reason they don't have one just like everybody else does. They need it to drive cars and buy the white man's firewater anyway.

Everyone on IE knows your attitude towards Native Americans. After all, you are the one who called them "Savages".

Most of the Native Americans, to whom you refer, receive their mail at a P.O. Box because there is not home delivery in the remote rural areas in which they live. They don't have a street address because they live in rural areas without named and/or numbered streets. The new law was created specifically to reduce the number of Native Americans voting since very few Native Americans would support the Republican Party led by Don the Con.

I have a question for the Republicans on this forum. If you are so sure that your Conservative views are shared by a majority of the citizens of this country, why do you try so hard to reduce the number of people exercising their voting rights, especially those groups not in support of your policies. If you really are the majority, then you have nothing to fear from allowing the minority to vote.
 

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Everyone on IE knows your attitude towards Native Americans. After all, you are the one who called them "Savages".

Most of the Native Americans, to whom you refer, receive their mail at a P.O. Box because there is not home delivery in the remote rural areas in which they live. They don't have a street address because they live in rural areas without named and/or numbered streets. The new law was created specifically to reduce the number of Native Americans voting since very few Native Americans would support the Republican Party led by Don the Con.

I have a question for the Republicans on this forum. If you are so sure that your Conservative views are shared by a majority of the citizens of this country, why do you try so hard to reduce the number of people exercising their voting rights, especially those groups not in support of your policies. If you really are the majority, then you have nothing to fear from allowing the minority to vote.

Actually went on dates with a native girl. lmao.

I've been to literally every reservation in North Dakota. We had a PO box in the town I grew up in because they didn't do mail delivery. Does that mean North Dakota also is trying to deprive that little village of <800 people's rights? Don't try to be an expert on how rural North Dakota operates when dealing with a rural North Dakotan because you read an article lmao.

That law wasn't put in place to hurt natives. It doesn't impact them more than any other group.

If this law was so unjust, why did Sotomayor and Breyer uphold it?
 
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Everyone on IE knows your attitude towards Native Americans. After all, you are the one who called them "Savages".

Most of the Native Americans, to whom you refer, receive their mail at a P.O. Box because there is not home delivery in the remote rural areas in which they live. They don't have a street address because they live in rural areas without named and/or numbered streets. The new law was created specifically to reduce the number of Native Americans voting since very few Native Americans would support the Republican Party led by Don the Con.

I have a question for the Republicans on this forum. If you are so sure that your Conservative views are shared by a majority of the citizens of this country, why do you try so hard to reduce the number of people exercising their voting rights, especially those groups not in support of your policies. If you really are the majority, then you have nothing to fear from allowing the minority to vote.

They don't need our permission. They are well within their rights to vote.
 

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I have a question for the Republicans on this forum. If you are so sure that your Conservative views are shared by a majority of the citizens of this country, why do you try so hard to reduce the number of people exercising their voting rights, especially those groups not in support of your policies. If you really are the majority, then you have nothing to fear from allowing the minority to vote.

Why is it so hard to ask for very simple things to vote. The same simple things required for everything else in life. Why is it so hard to ask that someone that is obviously capable of getting out to vote, to know their address, or to get out and simply get an ID over a 4 year, or even 2 year span.

Why is it so easy for dems to spend millions or billions on complaining about a simple ask, when they could spend the same amount of money curing the very small portion impacted. Why do dems state that the Blue Wave includes undocumented illegal immigrants and call for open borders while at the same time minimizing the amount of voter fraud?
 

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Why is it so hard to ask for very simple things to vote. The same simple things required for everything else in life. Why is it so hard to ask that someone that is obviously capable of getting out to vote, to know their address, or to get out and simply get an ID over a 4 year, or even 2 year span.

Why is it so easy for dems to spend millions or billions on complaining about a simple ask, when they could spend the same amount of money curing the very small portion impacted. Why do dems state that the Blue Wave includes undocumented illegal immigrants and call for open borders while at the same time minimizing the amount of voter fraud?

You don't get it. White privilege man. You can't understand.
 

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You don't get it. White privilege man. You can't understand.

You're right, I'll never understand a party's desire to convince portions of society that they are helpless, will always be helpless, are unable to succeed, and can only be saved by the same party which wants to keep them low for the sake of maintaining their voting base.

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Not a US Midterm, but found it interesting that Brazil just jumped on the Global Red Wave... They finally got tired of 10+ years of shit economy, corruption, violence and in general, the Left's promises that never materialized.
 

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Not a US Midterm, but found it interesting that Brazil just jumped on the Global Red Wave... They finally got tired of 10+ years of shit economy, corruption, violence and in general, the Left's promises that never materialized.

Welcome to the party Brazil!
 
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