'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

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No hate on my part, I just don't root for him because he's not on the Irish team. And I sure as the f**k not going to root for F$U! And if a Golson "pick" helps lead to a F$U loss, I'm happy as can be!!!
 
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I'm still torn on him. Hated his attitude after all his TO's, but he is an ND grad, right? hmm... Still nice to see FSU lose to a team ND beat this season.

Only point worth taking from this exercise!

The article, and talking heads make the point that though Golson is like 20 turnovers down this year, his QB rating is nearly the same a it was last year at ND!
  • He is nowhere near as effective with his feet.
  • And his long ball is nowhere to be found.

His rating is bolstered by two things :
  • His lack of turnovers, (he was 40 snaps from having the best start by any FBS quarterback in the last 10 years!)
  • And his intermediate passing game; Everett is about 80% from 6 to 19 yards, against teams that know it is coming.

The pundit's at the end of the segment agree, that is what FSU needs this year. I second that and maintain, that is not what ND needs this year!

Though clearly competent Everett is not, Malik, DeShone, or Brandon. What strikes me is that with the quarterback saga at ND under Kelly, Everett was the closest thing to a quarterback with no major drawbacks that Kelly had to work with. (I want to give Tommy some love here because he sure as hell had the heart of a bear, and all the smarts for which you could ever ask.)

However, Malik, DeShone, and Brandon, (and I believe Ian, as well, given the chance) will all prove themselves to be just what the doctor ordered for Kelly's offense.

But Everett had the big engine and racing tires. He was just set up for the wrong track.

The pundits talked about him being smart enough to go to FSU so the 'genius' Jimbo Fischer (with the fluctuating hair line) could get him ready for the NFL. After all, JF has put three first round quarterbacks in the NFL in the last five years!

This of course ignores the following;
  • Most knowledgeable sources believe that Brian Kelly is doing the best coaching job in the FBS based upon replacing injured players, alone.
  • Notre Dame brought in Mike Sanford, thought by everyone with any knowledge to be one of the greatest, young offensive minds in the game, and an ace quarterback coach.
And, most importantly, they are all glossing over the one thing NFL teams won't. Everett cut and ran from ND. Forget about any hair pulling or name calling, (I could give a shit about anyone who has to call Everett on that to make themselves feel better), Everett showed a lack of leadership ability that alone will make NFL teams leery of selecting him. Because in the final analysis, above having the whole package, a successful NFL quarterback must be able to take control of his own team.

Postscript : The three FSU quarterbacks drafted in the first round over the last five years, may be one of the worst draft values of recent NFL history, sans LSU and TAM quarterbacks!
 
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I agree he's probably not NFL material, he's probably too short. Quinn and Clausen were probably better QBs and they weren't really NFL material either. No way we go 12-0 with tommy at the helm in 2012.
 

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I agree he's probably not NFL material, he's probably too short. Quinn and Clausen were probably better QBs and they weren't really NFL material either. No way we go 12-0 with tommy at the helm in 2012.

No way we go 12-0 without Tommy coming in, in relief, in a couple of games in 2012, either.
 

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I agree he's probably not NFL material, he's probably too short. Quinn and Clausen were probably better QBs and they weren't really NFL material either. No way we go 12-0 with tommy at the helm in 2012.

I agree we don't go 12-0 with Tommy in 2012. Remember Tommy came in at key situations and his heart and determination helped us go 12-0. This is exactly what Golson didn't have and still doesn't. I believe a leader is born and not made. Golson is not a leader and proved that last year when he had the opportunity to put a team on his shoulders and will them to win. Florida States offense has looked less than impressive this year even though they have a Heisman trophy caliber player in their backfield. With the talent Golson has, he should be punishing opposing defenses for even thinking about focusing on Cook. IMO with the loss you can watch the collapse begin.
 

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I wouldn't be so sure Tommy couldn't go 12-0 in the regular season in 2012. I'm not saying he definitely would have, but with the defense we had it certainly was very possible. Look at the games we played:

Navy - It was a slaughter in essentially all 3 phases of the team, no problem here.
Purdue - We only scored 2 TDs and a FG prior to Tommy's drive for the FG. Tommy scored 31 and 38 in his 2011 and 2013 meetings with Purdue, I'm confidant he could have matched Golson's 17 points in this game.
Michigan State - Tough defense, and Golson played well here, but we also only surrendered 3 points to the Spartans. Tommy was 2-0 in his other meetings with the Spartans, I'm confidant he would have scored more than 3 points if he played in this one.
Michigan - No question, he played most of the game here and ran in the only TD, so we can skip this one.
Miami - Again, we were firing in just about all 3 facets of the game here, and Miami only scored 3 points on our defense. Easy win even with Tommy (Who crushed Miami two years prior in the bowl)
Stanford - Iffy game here. Golson didn't have a particularly bad game, but wasn't particularly great either. He ended with a QBR of 21. Tommy was 4/4 on the winning drive in overtime. Tough to say how he would have fared over the course of an entire game, but it was certainly winnable for him.
BYU - No question here again, since Golson was out for this one and Tommy took all the snaps.
Oklahoma - This one is a bit of a question mark among the regular season games. Golson played pretty well and added 64 yards on the ground. He may have fumbled the ball once, but ended up recovering it. Still, the defense only surrendered 14 points to the Sooners, so unless Tommy turns the ball over a bunch (Which is unlikely since we only needed 25 passes from Golson to win this one) I think he could have scored more than 14. He scored more than 14 in 2013 despite all the turnovers. I think at worst we would have won the game 23-13, taking the TD off the board that was a result of the long pass to a young Chris Brown.
Pitt - People will point to this game as a game Tommy wouldn't have come back from, but Golson struggled so much for 3 quarters before he had to mount a comeback. We only had a pair of FGs on the board prior to the 4th, that's pretty bad offense. Our defense was fighting the flu too, but they came up with a stop when we needed one.
Boston College - BC only scored 6 points, Tommy would have won here.
Wake Forest - I don't need to say anything.
USC - This was the Theo game. Golson still threw for 216, but only needed 26 attempts in this one. Again, Tommy would have only needed to score 14 in this game to win, and Tommy was 2-1 in games against USC in his career. He probably should have been 3-0, but he took that hit in 2011 when we were mounting a comeback, Crist came in briefly, and it was all downhill from there.


Would circumstances have been different with a different QB under center? Sure, but the backbone of that team at the end of the day was still the defense. Some things would have changed, but when you consider Tommy faced some of the toughest defenses in 2012 and put us in position to win, I'm pretty confidant he could have scored enough against the other teams with that 2012 defense backing him up. At worst I think we would have gone 11-1 with the question mark probably being the 2012 Pitt game since it wasn't a great game offensively at all and the defense was legitimately sick.
 
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Let's just see what he does the rest of the year. History repeats itself

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Though clearly competent Everett is not, Malik, DeShone, or Brandon. What strikes me is that with the quarterback saga at ND under Kelly, Everett was the closest thing to a quarterback with no major drawbacks that Kelly had to work with.

Hindsight showed he had a major flaw. He lacked the required mental makeup.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jimbo Fisher just gave us word that QB Everett Golson will not play due to minor lingering concussion symptoms. Sean McGuire will start.</p>— Todd McShay (@McShay13) <a href="https://twitter.com/McShay13/status/660457412927873024">October 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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No Golson and no Cook. FSU might be in for a fight against the Orangemen.

Edit: Woops, somehow missed that YJ posted about this above.
 

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'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

There are like 4 people at their game today

*looks like 40,000 now. It was empty 8 minutes before kickoff when they showed it.
 
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I actually feel bad for him here. Dude list his job cuz he got hurt.

Not sure I agree with that
 

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I actually feel bad for him here. Dude list his job cuz he got hurt.

Not sure I agree with that

No way, he made his choice, and he lost his job because his backup provided bigger plays. If he stayed, he probably would be starting right now over Kizer (Although I'm glad he decided to leave). He went from being the focus of the offense and being a Heisman contender to being the game manager for Cook. It brought his turnovers down, but it didn't budge his QBR and it hurt his notoriety. Can't feel bad for him, he got what he asks for. He's never been very durable, he certainly wouldn't last in the NFL. Poor decision turned out as expected.
 
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Not to pile on but it's been reported that Jimbo dumbed his responsibilities down earlier in the season and he still was struggling which is why they made the move to Maguire.
 

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What is the difference between Golson and Kizer?

Kizer played when he was at Tiger Stadium!

Haha I don't feel bad one big for EG, have fun watching us in the College Football Playoff!
 

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164 yards, 5.6 YPA, 0 TD, 1 INT for Maguire.

Jimbo made a mistake and is catching heat for it.
 

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164 yards, 5.6 YPA, 0 TD, 1 INT for Maguire.

Jimbo made a mistake and is catching heat for it.

Tough to know for sure. Golson has not played against an opponent whose defense was as tough as Clemson. We know all too well how he does in pressure games. While he might have played better than Maguire...he also might have played much worse.
 

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Tough to know for sure. Golson has not played against an opponent whose defense was as tough as Clemson. We know all too well how he does in pressure games. While he might have played better than Maguire...he also might have played much worse.

The only excuse for Jimbo was if there was a lingering injury. Otherwise, Golson has played in plenty of big games against very good defenses and held his own. Maguire is a journeyman scrub, and was faceless today.
 

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Tough to know for sure. Golson has not played against an opponent whose defense was as tough as Clemson. We know all too well how he does in pressure games. While he might have played better than Maguire...he also might have played much worse.

Generally very good?
 

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The only excuse for Jimbo was if there was a lingering injury. Otherwise, Golson has played in plenty of big games against very good defenses and held his own. Maguire is a journeyman scrub, and was faceless today.
Or Jimbo has seen enough of Golson in big moments to know the results wouldn't have been good. Maybe he though the gamble with Maguire was a better shot.
 
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