2016 Presidential Horse Race

2016 Presidential Horse Race

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IrishJayhawk said:
This was amazing.

Lindsey Graham’s assessment of the Republican Party on ‘The Daily Show’ is jaw-dropping | For The Win
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Truth hurts...what can I say. Not a graham fan, but...what can he say? What do any of us really say? You look upon it as a bus headed for a cliff you really can't do anything about...and if you do, the "solution" (brokered convention) may actually be worse. Shrug.

The odd thing is, there is no such uncomfortable interview about Hillary out there that I've seen. Why aren't Democrat leaders uncomfortable about Hillary? She may not say crazy shit, but she sure as hell can't be taken seriously...and she is nearly as far in the toilet as Trump in terms of negative sentiment, that she too EARNED
...waiting for someone to put Chuck Schumer on the spot...but he won't feel uncomfortable supporting Hillary...at all. Why is that?
 
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phgreek said:
Truth hurts...what can I say. Not a graham fan, but...what can he say? What do any of us really say? You look upon it as a bus headed for a cliff you really can't do anything about...and if you do, the "solution" (brokered convention) may actually be worse. Shrug.

The odd thing is, there is no such uncomfortable interview about Hillary out there that I've seen. Why aren't Democrat leaders uncomfortable about Hillary? She may not say crazy shit, but she sure as hell can't be taken seriously...and she is nearly as far in the toilet as Trump in terms of negative sentiment, that she too EARNED
...waiting for someone to put Chuck Schumer on the spot...but he won't feel uncomfortable supporting Hillary...at all. Why is that?
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Because Hillary has never shut down the government or advocated for war crimes. She's basically a typical, left of center politician. Much of her negative sentiment is related to things where she's been vindicated (e.g., Benghazi).

That said, I know you'll disagree with my assessment. :)
 
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I will be fascinated at the headlines and reactions of Americans if Trump actually is our next president. Think about this:

2008: America made history! First black president ever! Racism is a thing of the past

2016: Trump wins. All the white people who voted for Obama in 2008 turned racist and voted for Trump!
 
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GATTACA! said:
Nobody is going to be better for babies than me. I cherish babies, just ask my wife Melania. We're going to have more babies and Mexico is going to pay for them.
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Of course Melania and I can still have kids. Look at these hands. There's no problems there. Trust me.

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koonja said:
He doesn't actually control that does he? Maybe he does. I saw a tweet this week that directly said he wanted to keep the Muslims out, so I assumed it's a joke/not controlled by him.

He can't actually say that and run for president can he?
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It is a verified account.....



As to the second part, sure seems that he can.
 
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IrishJayhawk said:
Because Hillary has never shut down the government or advocated for war crimes. She's basically a typical, left of center politician. Much of her negative sentiment is related to things where she's been vindicated (e.g., Benghazi).

That said, I know you'll disagree with my assessment. :)
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man, you need to sit down? Must have killed you to come up with that list of things that caused her negative sentiment...

...I can laugh about it now, its ok. I know she'll be in the whitehouse. I know many a decent human will vote for her, despite what she is. Sometimes its not the number of insane or sub-human candidates in your favorite party that identifies your character...its who you actually vote for...:)
 
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phgreek said:
man, you need to sit down? Must have killed you to come up with that list of things that caused her negative sentiment...

...I can laugh about it now, its ok. I know she'll be in the whitehouse. I know many a decent human will vote for her, despite what she is. Sometimes its not the number of insane or sub-human candidates in your favorite party that identifies your character...its who you actually vote for...:)
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It's worth noting that Trump (68), Cruz (55), and the Republican party (60) have higher negatives than Hillary (53). At least according to this new Bloomberg poll.

http://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rXX28ED96saU/v0
 
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phgreek said:
Truth hurts...what can I say. Not a graham fan, but...what can he say? What do any of us really say? You look upon it as a bus headed for a cliff you really can't do anything about...and if you do, the "solution" (brokered convention) may actually be worse. Shrug.

The odd thing is, there is no such uncomfortable interview about Hillary out there that I've seen. Why aren't Democrat leaders uncomfortable about Hillary? She may not say crazy shit, but she sure as hell can't be taken seriously...and she is nearly as far in the toilet as Trump in terms of negative sentiment, that she too EARNED
...waiting for someone to put Chuck Schumer on the spot...but he won't feel uncomfortable supporting Hillary...at all. Why is that?
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A lot of people on the Left do in fact hate HRC. They don't trust her and you're right, she's earned that. But she reps the rich and powerful on the Left and they don't want things to change so they support her. That's why, despite her horrendous record of bad shit, she's still gets propped up by the Establishment because she reps them. HRC is a center-left, center-right (depending on the issue) politician and she flat out lies and panders to whomever she needs to in order to get their support.

I asked this question to a friend the other day: If Trump and HRC have such horrendous favorability rankings, who in the hell is voting for them? I mean seriously. How can the two most dis-liked candidates also be the ones who are winning? I know polls aren't always right, but that is just way too bizarre for me to comprehend.
 
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So I've been listening to The Young Turks online newcast for awhile now. Great Progressive news show. Flat out dominates any other news outlet online (Fox, CNN, WSJ, Huff Post, Politico, you name it...). They base their shows on presenting viewers/listeners with the facts first and then judge the subject matter accordingly. The host/owner, Cenk Uygur, is "old-school" in respect to how much he values investigative reporting (something he says most mainstream news outlets have actually done away with from an actual employee job title perspective). He focuses on facts first with ratings being a distant second.

Ok so with that said, they're big Bernie supporters. They try not to let their bias get in the way, but lets face it, they're a Progressive news show. Anyways, they've been trying to get Bernie on for an interview since he announced his candidacy and it took 1) a petition started by a fan that reached 17,000 sigs in less than a day and 2) an opening on Bernie's California campaigning schedule to make it happen. Bernie came in and sat with Cenk for an epic, live, 30-40 minute interview.

Fox News used some of that interview recently to discuss how Bernie bashed HRC. Which brings me to the overall point of my post:

Bernie basically said (paraphrasing) that, in the event he loses, he will withold his endorsement from HRC and use his supporters as leverage to pull HRC further Left. (If you're a Democrat, you absolutely want him to do this w/o question.) Here's why this is so important: HRC, as I mentioned in my above post, is the Establishment candidate. She's center-left/center-right. She is NOT a Progressive (eventhough she's telling voters that she is). If she refuses to work with Bernie on some key issues, he's not going to endorse her, and there's a very good chance that his voters will stay home. There's also reports of some of his supporters ditching her and voting Trump just to maintain the anti-establishment sentiment (eventhough I'm sure Bernie would not recommend that mindset). Anyways, I digress. The point is, Bernie is doing what he can to get HRC to quit being a snake oil, lying politician and actually do something that benefits the Democratic party --> Making it the Party of the People and not just the wealthy donors.

Quick example: In L.A. there were two gatherings. Bernie's - Free admission. HRC's - $100,000 per couple. Hmmm....doesn't seem like HRC represents typical middle class Democrats to me.
 
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BleedBlueGold said:
Bernie basically said (paraphrasing) that, in the event he loses, he will withold his endorsement from HRC and use his supporters as leverage to pull HRC further Left. (If you're a Democrat, you absolutely want him to do this w/o question.) Here's why this is so important: HRC, as I mentioned in my above post, is the Establishment candidate. She's center-left/center-right. She is NOT a Progressive (eventhough she's telling voters that she is). If she refuses to work with Bernie on some key issues, he's not going to endorse her, and there's a very good chance that his voters will stay home. There's also reports of some of his supporters ditching her and voting Trump just to maintain the anti-establishment sentiment (eventhough I'm sure Bernie would not recommend that mindset). Anyways, I digress. The point is, Bernie is doing what he can to get HRC to quit being a snake oil, lying politician and actually do something that benefits the Democratic party --> Making it the Party of the People and not just the wealthy donors.

Quick example: In L.A. there were two gatherings. Bernie's - Free admission. HRC's - $100,000 per couple. Hmmm....doesn't seem like HRC represents typical middle class Democrats to me.
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What's to stop Clinton from saying one thing before the election and doing another after she's elected? Would that surprise anyone?
 
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DillonHall said:
What's to stop Clinton from saying one thing before the election and doing another after she's elected? Would that surprise anyone?
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Wouldn't surprise anyone, but I think that's what Bernie is trying to point out with that statement....that people don't trust her. Obviously it's not like she's going to sign a binding agreement or whatever, but I think he's just trying to get her to make more public statements about Progressive issues/policy that way when the time comes for actual POTUS work, she can be held to the fire for what she said compared to what she may actually do once in the WH.
 
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Reps to anyone who can list like a top 4 in order of who's most likely to actually be president. I don't follow at all. I just pay a #$%& load of taxes every month and cry.
 
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