2016 Fall Camp Thread

zelezo vlk

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It was the second practice of the day and a lot of guys were apparently suffering from "camp legs".

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Had a look at a gallery of photos from practise yesterday on 247. Cage looks like he's about the same weight bit lost about 5-10% body fat and has a lot of good muscle. Tranquil looks GREAT. Coney looks like an NFL LB. The Freshman WR's look great physically. Claypool is impressive and Javon looks much bigger than I expected. MZ looks GREAT!

I would side with Cage got bigger (not in a good way) from what I've seen and heard. I think in year three, you would like to see him taking more control of his physical health.
 

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It was the second practice of the day and a lot of guys were apparently suffering from "camp legs".

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My how things have changed.

If you showed up with "camp legs" when I was a college athlete, practice got dialed up a notch or ten until you no longer had "camp legs". What you instead developed was "camp belly"... that's an absolutely empty stomach caused by all former contents being left in one of the 10 garbage cans placed along each baseline. Camp legs. SMDH.
 
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I would side with Cage got bigger (not in a good way) from what I've seen and heard. I think in year three, you would like to see him taking more control of his physical health.

Oh really...that's disappointing. Pics can be deceiving...lets hope fall camp will help him get in better shape
 

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My how things have changed.

If you showed up with "camp legs" when I was a college athlete, practice got dialed up a notch or ten until you no longer had "camp legs". What you instead developed was "camp belly"... that's an absolutely empty stomach caused by all former contents being left in one of the 10 garbage cans placed along each baseline. Camp legs. SMDH.

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I would side with Cage got bigger (not in a good way) from what I've seen and heard. I think in year three, you would like to see him taking more control of his physical health.

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Do you want torn ACLs? This is how you don't get torn ACLs

I was half kidding Lightning... but if you are out of shape when you show up for camp there are some simple, non-contact drills on the side I could show the offenders that makes camp legs vanish in no time.
 

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I was half kidding Lightning... but if you are out of shape when you show up for camp there are some simple, non-contact drills on the side I could show the offenders that makes camp legs vanish in no time.
The camp legs to which I was referring was the fatigue brought on by high intensity practice, with the last week being particularly hot.

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I played University ball and went through 2 a days and I don't know that I saw one guy on my squad not EXTREMELY sore and fatigued. No worries here
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What does experience have to do with what your previous statement was. Your previous statement was that health was the deciding factor not experience. You're moving goal posts here. Once again, I don't believe that health has anything to do with it. It is experience versus talent.

I'm not moving the goal posts. I know you don't think it has anything with health. I do.

I think this staff goes with experience over talent a lot of the time, especially when the experience translates to less mistakes. However, I don't think McGovern's experience in the system is going to win out here because he is injury prone.

I think McGovern has shown well when he has been healthy; I think he may actually be similarly talented--if not necessarily more athletic. But the staff has to take into account whether you want to spend the time getting people used to McGovern and telling Hoge that he is second string, when experience says McGovern is likely to get hurt.

So Kelly and HH have to decide whether it is smarter to go ahead and get snaps and build confidence for the less experienced guy who is potentially more talented anyway and has 4 years of eligibility, or risk another "false start" with an injury prone veteran.

That is what they are considering, IMO. Not just talent vs. experience.
 
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I'm not moving the goal posts. I know you don't think it has anything with health. I do.

I think this staff goes with experience over talent a lot of the time, especially when the experience translates to less mistakes. However, I don't think McGovern's experience in the system is going to win out here because he is injury prone.

I think McGovern has shown well when he has been healthy; I think he may actually be similarly talented--if not necessarily more athletic. But the staff has to take into account whether you want to spend the time getting people used to McGovern and telling Hoge that he is second string, when experience says McGovern is likely to get hurt.

So Kelly and HH have to decide whether it is smarter to go ahead and get snaps and build confidence for the less experienced guy who is potentially more talented anyway and has 4 years of eligibility, or risk another "false start" with an injury prone veteran.

That is what they are considering, IMO. Not just talent vs. experience.

He's not the better athlete. BK essentially told us this. If McGovern was the better athlete and had a better grasp of scheme and technique, he would have won the job already. It would be pointless to not give McGovern reps because you thought he might get injured. You'd certainly get another player ready but not at the expense of your first time starting OG. Which McGovern will be.
 

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Just want to point out that McGovern played 26 snaps last year, 4 more than Mark Harrell. He missed a lot of the spring. I don't know how much we really know about him other than what Kelly said on Saturday and even that praise was pretty tame.
 

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Just want to point out that McGovern played 26 snaps last year, 4 more than Mark Harrell. He missed a lot of the spring. I don't know how much we really know about him other than what Kelly said on Saturday and even that praise was pretty tame.

Precisely part of my point above. Though he's been in the system this isn't like Folston at RB where you have proven production and the luxury of getting other guys reps. If McGovern is the guy, you're getting him ready to go. The only reason you have Hoge running with the 1's is if you don't believe you've found the answer.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New week, same grind.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EliteEffort?src=hash">#EliteEffort</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IrishCamp?src=hash">#IrishCamp</a><a href="https://t.co/cQ9iLgrEO3">https://t.co/cQ9iLgrEO3</a></p>— Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/765373089366499328">August 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New week, same grind.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EliteEffort?src=hash">#EliteEffort</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IrishCamp?src=hash">#IrishCamp</a><a href="https://t.co/cQ9iLgrEO3">https://t.co/cQ9iLgrEO3</a></p>— Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/765373089366499328">August 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I didn't know Jonathan Jones played leg guitar(?)

Truly a man of many talents.



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I didn't notice him but ISD pointed out that Studstill is back and practicing in that video.
 
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I LOVED Max's tackle in this vid.
 
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Regarding position battles, I have a hunch that Coney will start at Will and I'm excited to see how he plays. I think James will start at Sam but Martini will play a role an most likely start vs the academies. I think Hoge will start at RG and gel well with the older boys but if he falls short in game time, McGovern will step in and things will be OK. It's a toss up for me at QB and I can't make a prediction. Love MZ's swagger and playmaking ability and heart and leadership. Love DK's POISE, big arm and sneaky runs. Either way we beat the snot outta Texas. There's my pre-work rumblings.
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Regarding position battles, I have a hunch that Coney will start at Will and I'm excited to see how he plays. I think James will start at Sam but Martini will play a role an most likely start vs the academies. I think Hoge will start at RG and gel well with the older boys but if he falls short in game time, McGovern will step in and things will be OK. It's a toss up for me at QB and I can't make a prediction. Love MZ's swagger and playmaking ability and heart and leadership. Love DK's POISE, big arm and sneaky runs. Either way we beat the snot outta Texas. There's my pre-work rumblings.
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I think Coney starts too. Martini will start against Navy, Army, Stanford, and MSU
 

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I didn't notice him but ISD pointed out that Studstill is back and practicing in that video.

Nice find. He's number 14. The throw form Malik to Boykin down the middle is where I saw him. Glad he's back in full pads getting back to work.
 

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I hope the light bulb has went on for Max and he realizes this is his last rodeo. We need a big season out of him. I also think Hunter is going to be our #1 threat on offense.
 

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https://www.profootballfocus.com/college-football-2016-season-preview-notre-dame-fighting-irish/

good read

Gone are seven Notre Dame players selected within the first four rounds of the 2016 NFL draft. That’s one of the largest talent drains as you’ll see in the entire country and it’s a testament to Brian Kelly’s recruiting that they’re still ranked No. 11 in our preseason polls. A quarterback competition looms once again in South Bend, but it’s unlikely that decision is what ultimately decides Notre Dame’s destiny. What will decide it then, you ask? Let’s take a look:

Offense

From a grading standpoint, all signs point to the senior Malik Zaire for Notre Dame’s quarterback competition. The offense has run like a well-oiled machine in nearly every game Zaire has been a part of. Notre Dame really can’t go wrong with either though, as Kizer graded out positively as well in 776 snaps a season ago.

With another stud offensive line in the works and Tarean Folston returning at runningback, the only question mark is who will be catching passes for the Irish? They lost 2,152 snaps at the receiver position from a season ago with Torrii Hunter Jr. being the only returning player who saw meaningful time. Hunter will be thrust into one of the starting spots while sophomore Equanimeous St. Brown – who only took 47 snaps a season ago – looks poised to take the other.

Defense

Realistically the chances of Notre Dame making it to the playoff this year comes down to the front seven. If they can find a way to pressure opposing quarterbacks without relying solely on the blitz like they did in 2015 then they’ll be a force to contend with. That is a big “if,” though. Senior Isaac Rochell will slide inside more this season where he should be more effective as he simply lacked the burst to win the edge consistently. On the outside though not a single player returns with a positive pass rush grade from a season ago.

Even with a lackluster pass rush, there is reason to believe that this secondary could be the best Notre Dame has had in the Brian Kelly era. Safety Drue Tranquill had graded out positively through the first three games before tearing his ACL while Max Redfield has been solid if unspectacular the past two years. If there is one name to keep an eye out for though it’s senior cornerback Cole Luke. As a sophomore, Luke had one of the top grades in the country, allowing only a 60.5 quarterback rating into his coverage. That number took a step back to 87.7 a season ago, but it’s clear the talent is there if he can put it all together.

Biggest star: LT Mike McGlinchey

You’d be hard pressed to find any offensive lineman — even in the NFL — that can be classified as a “star,” but if every position got equal billing then McGlinchey would be that guy. He has first-round talent though his chances of ending up there will depend on how adeptly he takes to the left tackle position. Ironically, if Malik Zaire wins the starting job, McGlinchey have switched positions away from the blind side, but he’ll still form on of the best double team duos in the country with left guard Quinten Nelson. McGlinchey has the second highest run blocking grade of any returning tackle in the Power-5.

Breakout player to watch: DT Jarron Jones

Two years ago it was Jones, not Sheldon Day, who graded out the highest along the Notre Dame defensive line. Last season a torn MCL cost him the year save for a handful of snaps in the Sugar Bowl. At a hair over 6-5 and 315 pounds, Jones is one of the most physically imposing defensive tackles in all of college football. If he can add counter or two to his prodigious bull rush, Jones should be in for a big year.

Bottom line

The offense will be a dynamic top-10 type unit no matter who starts at quarterback. The defense though will have to see some guys take huge leaps forward to keep pace. The schedule may be a tad easier than it was a season ago with only one team on the schedule currently in the PFF top 25 (Stanford), but they’ll face some legitimate tests early in the season with Texas and Michigan State matchups in Week 1 and 3 respectively. If they can get through those unscathed, expect another 10-win season for the Irish.
 

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They throw out the phrase 'another 10 win season' like it's the norm.....

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They throw out the phrase 'another 10 win season' like it's the norm.....

I will be disappointed with anything less than 10 wins this season. First three weeks will tell us a lot - I mean who plays Texas and Michigan State in the first three weeks! At the same point, those are two teams that shouldn't be able to keep up with us offensively making for good matchups to cut our teeth.

11 wins = playoffs - no way a conference non-champ jumps us and we advance over 2 loss champs (unless it is SEC). Odds are at least two of the champs have two or more losses opening that door for 11-1 good guys.
 

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dang on 247 they stated avery sebastian would be more of a liability than a true freshamn Perry and that isn't saying a lot because Perry in stuff i have read has made it sound as if he is really struggling...PRAY NO INJURIES
 

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also how great was it that we finally got field turf? southbend gets flooded last night and they are practicing today on bone dry field
 

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dang on 247 they stated avery sebastian would be more of a liability than a true freshamn Perry and that isn't saying a lot because Perry in stuff i have read has made it sound as if he is really struggling...PRAY NO INJURIES

I think our starting safeties would be Redfield and Studstill if Drue got hurt
 
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