2014 NFL Draft

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Grantland breaks down every team's "best case scenario."

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New England Patriots

Round 1, Pick 29: DT Louis Nix III, Notre Dame
Round 2, Pick 62: TE Troy Niklas, Notre Dame

Well, we all know that the Patriots will trade down, up, and around, but let’s just pretend for a moment that Bill Belichick isn’t allowed to answer the phone on draft day. And that he’s only, apparently, allowed to draft players from the Golden Dome. The 331-pound Nix is a mammoth two-gap defensive tackle who profiles as Vince Wilfork’s long-term replacement (or, if Wilfork isn’t the same after his Achilles injury, Wilfork’s immediate replacement). Niklas is a dominant blocker, and if anything gets Belichick’s dander up, it’s tight ends who can block.
 

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If I were the Jags, Browns, or Raiders I would be all over Manziel personally assuming that Clowney or Watkins weren't available. But that's just me....




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I was listening to a draft pundit talk about watching Manziel on tape. He said something like:

I'm watching his tape and there is no pressure on the pocket. He scrambles out anyway and does not throw to his open 1st option receiver. Then, since he's outside the protection, he's getting pressure, so he runs around, then throws a bomb on the run to a double covered receiver 40 yds down the field who makes the catch for a score.

I don't know whether to grade that a positive play or a negative play.

That's athleticism and talent, but I don't think that style flies all that well in the nfl. Favre did that a lot, but it took him a long time to get where it worked and I'm not quite ready to say Johnny Fin Football is gonna be the next Fav-ruh. I wouldn't take him in the 1st.
 
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Where would [Sean] King pick Manziel? Not in the first round. Not in the second round. Not even in the third round.
"Let me go down the list of things he doesn't do," King said. "He's got terrible footwork, maybe the worst of any quarterback in this class. He doesn't throw on balance, doesn't throw on rhythm, rarely steps into his throws. Half the time, he jumps in the air on his throws. In the NFL, everything is about precision, about timing. The margin of error is so thin, and that's why footwork is so important."

King, who has watched all of Manziel's game video and attended his pro day in March, said there are so many problems with the quarterback's technique that Manziel won't be able to fix them all when he gets to the NFL. Plus Manziel is just under 6 feet and 214 pounds, and his reckless style on the field ultimately will get him into trouble. And get him hurt.

"He doesn't have a high release point, which bothers me for a guy who's under 6 feet," King said. "He's going to struggle getting the ball over the line when he's between the hash marks. He's a good athlete, but he doesn't have Michael Vick's athleticism. He takes way too many shots, just like Vick did. And Vick's played one full season in his entire career. Manziel is going to be just as injury-prone, probably more so."

Sean King's opinion FWIW.
 

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I agree on some points. I don't know if he has the worst footwork though. The footwork of Bortles that I've seen is really bad.
 
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As far as QBs go I think I am the most high on Mettenberger. He looks like a Matthew Stafford-caliber QB to me. I think he will end up being the best of the bunch as a pro.
 

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I agree on some points. I don't know if he has the worst footwork though. The footwork of Bortles that I've seen is really bad.

Seriously. Bortles seems like one of those guys you'd draft mid 2nd round to early 4th and have him be a backup for a couple years to develop him. Thought the same thing of Tannehill (who actually has been a lot better than I expected). Gabbert and Ponder and Locker were the same way. I feel like NFL teams go way too much of measurables and potential than what they actually see on the film.

Example: Tom Savage being ranked ahead of AJ or Murray
 

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On a scale from 1-10. Kiper says the Browns' chances to draft Manziel is a 9. Lol
 

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Seriously. Bortles seems like one of those guys you'd draft mid 2nd round to early 4th and have him be a backup for a couple years to develop him. Thought the same thing of Tannehill (who actually has been a lot better than I expected). Gabbert and Ponder and Locker were the same way. I feel like NFL teams go way too much of measurables and potential than what they actually see on the film.

Example: Tom Savage being ranked ahead of AJ or Murray

Those big armed kids like Bortles aren't really the humble, "ok i will sit and learn" types though, its usually the ones who can recognize the limits to their games and that they will need to be technically excellent to survive in the league. The example I would use is Ryan Mallett, you think after 3-4 years in New England he's gonna finally get meaninful PT and become a Tom Brady clone? nahh he's going to air it out like the meat head he is :D
 

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I'm not drafting a QB in the first round this draft unless I'm the Jaguars.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Does Alabama wear out players? Source: <a href="http://t.co/JG7v60miag">http://t.co/JG7v60miag</a> <a href="http://t.co/Qz6u4WhF4Y">pic.twitter.com/Qz6u4WhF4Y</a></p>— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/statuses/463688868521607168">May 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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interesting point there. Saban is working his players too hard and so mentally and physically they can't cope with the NFL rigours
 

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I'm not drafting a QB in the first round this draft unless I'm the Jaguars.

I like Bridgewater but to think that he could go to any of the teams in the top ten and do well (outside of maybe 1 or 2) is madness. Clowney should go first overall, just not sure who the team should be to take him.

The rest of the teams have giant holes that they need to fill with the great prospects.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Does Alabama wear out players? Source: <a href="http://t.co/JG7v60miag">http://t.co/JG7v60miag</a> <a href="http://t.co/Qz6u4WhF4Y">pic.twitter.com/Qz6u4WhF4Y</a></p>— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/statuses/463688868521607168">May 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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interesting point there. Saban is working his players too hard and so mentally and physically they can't cope with the NFL rigours

It's pretty obvious that this seems to be true. There aren't very many Bama players that produce in the NFL
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Does Alabama wear out players? Source: <a href="http://t.co/JG7v60miag">http://t.co/JG7v60miag</a> <a href="http://t.co/Qz6u4WhF4Y">pic.twitter.com/Qz6u4WhF4Y</a></p>— RedditCFB (@RedditCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/RedditCFB/statuses/463688868521607168">May 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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interesting point there. Saban is working his players too hard and so mentally and physically they can't cope with the NFL rigours

I actually think that the problem with most of Alabama's players is that they get overvalued. For example, their running backs get overvalued because their o-line is so good that they have massive hauls and so Trent Richardson and Mark Ingram get overvalued. Same things with defensive backs and to an extent linebackers. Their d-line is so good that the DBs don't have to cover as long and their linebackers are more free to run to the ball and make plays.
I am not saying that these players aren't good just that they get overvalued and drafted too high and thus they seem like busts when comparing draft position and output.
 

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I actually think that the problem with most of Alabama's players is that they get overvalued. For example, their running backs get overvalued because their o-line is so good that they have massive hauls and so Trent Richardson and Mark Ingram get overvalued. Same things with defensive backs and to an extent linebackers. Their d-line is so good that the DBs don't have to cover as long and their linebackers are more free to run to the ball and make plays.
I am not saying that these players aren't good just that they get overvalued and drafted too high and thus they seem like busts when comparing draft position and output.

This. I think Saban is so ahead of his peers schematically and that Bama never really has any weaknesses in their team. Tends to make everyone look so much better (we thought Jackson and Farley were studs in 2012 due to the front 7 being so strong).
 

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That's part of the reason I'm high on Marquis Lee. He put up monster numbers and the talent around him (Barkley) looks to have been less than it was assumed at the time.
 

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As far as QBs go I think I am the most high on Mettenberger. He looks like a Matthew Stafford-caliber QB to me. I think he will end up being the best of the bunch as a pro.

I am all in on Aaron Murray. He has the athleticism, the arm and the leadership. I think he is the best of the bunch, even with being vertically challenged.
 

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I'll take the guy not named Manziel...
 

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I am all in on Aaron Murray. He has the athleticism, the arm and the leadership. I think he is the best of the bunch, even with being vertically challenged.

This. Think he'll be a steal for someone.

I like Bridgewater, McCarron, Murray a lot.

I like Manziel but wouldn't draft him unless I were desperate. I think he'll be good, but so risky.

Fales and Shaw are the guys I'd take late if needed.

I'd love if the Pats traded Mallett for a 3rd rounder and took a guy like Fales in the 5th round.
 
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ier 1 (Four players)
This is the elite class of players in this year's draft. They should be Day 1 starters and project as perennial Pro Bowl players.

1. DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina (Grade: 98)
2. OT Greg Robinson, Auburn (97)
3. WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson (96)
4. OLB Khalil Mack, Buffalo (96)

Tier 2 (Four players)
These guys are a notch below "elite class," but still worthy of top-10 pick in most drafts.

5. OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M (95)
6. OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan (94)
7. WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M (94)
8. DT Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh (94)

Tier 3 (Seven players)
These prospects present good values between picks 10 and 20 in an average draft class.

9. OT Zack Martin, Notre Dame (93)
10. TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina (93)
11. QB Blake Bortles, UCF (92)
12. WR Odell Beckham Jr., LSU (92)
13. CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State (92)
14. S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama (92)
15. OT Morgan Moses, Virginia (92)

Tier 4 (Eight players)
These prospects have late first-round grades.

16. QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M (91)
17. CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech (91)
18. CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State (91)
19. ILB C.J. Mosley, Alabama (91)
20. OLB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State (91)
21. S Calvin Pryor, Louisville (91)
22. WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State (90)
23. DE Stephon Tuitt, Notre Dame (90)

Tier 5 (21 players)
These are players you'd rather not reach for in the late first round.

Rank Position Name School Grade
24 CB Jason Verrett TCU 89
25 WR Marqise Lee USC 89
26 QB Teddy Bridgewater Louisville 89
27 OLB Anthony Barr UCLA 89
28 OLB Jeremiah Attaochu Georgia Tech 89
29 G Xavier Su'a-Filo UCLA 89
30 DE Kony Ealy Missouri 89
31 OT Joel Bitonio Nevada 88
32 DT Ra'Shede Hageman Minnesota 88
33 DE Dee Ford Auburn 88
34 WR Cody Latimer Indiana 88
35 CB Bradley Roby Ohio State 88
36 DT Timmy Jernigan Florida State 87
37 DT Louis Nix III Notre Dame 87
38 OT Cyrus Kouandjio Alabama 87
39 S Jimmie Ward Northern Illinois 86
40 RB Carlos Hyde Ohio State 86
41 OLB Demarcus Lawrence Boise State 86
42 WR Davante Adams Fresno State 86
43 S Deone Bucannon Washington State 85
44 WR Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt 85
Tier 6 (11 players)
These players are mid- to late second-round prospects.

Rank Position Player School Grade
45 TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins Washington 84
46 WR Jarvis Landry LSU 84
47 TE Jace Amaro Texas Tech 83
48 WR Bruce Ellington South Carolina 83
49 C Marcus Martin USC 82
50 RB Bishop Sankey Washington 82
51 WR Kelvin Benjamin Florida State 82
52 CB Lamarcus Joyner Florida State 81
53 OT Ja'Wuan James Tennessee 81
54 S Terrence Brooks Florida State 80
55 OLB Kyle Van Noy BYU 80
Tier 7 (35 players)
These players are late Day 2 prospects.

Rank Position Player School Grade
56 RB Jeremy Hill LSU 79
57 QB Tom Savage Pittsburgh 79
58 CB Stan Jean-Baptiste Nebraska 79
59 TE Troy Niklas Notre Dame 79
60 QB Jimmy Garoppolo Eastern Illinois 78
61 C Weston Richburg Colorado State 78
62 DE Scott Crichton Oregon State 78
63 ILB Chris Borland Wisconsin 78
64 DT Dominique Easley Florida 78
65 OT Antonio Richardson Tennessee 78
66 QB AJ McCarron Alabama 77
67 WR Paul Richardson Colorado 77
68 OT Jack Mewhort Ohio State 77
69 DT Daquan Jones Penn State 77
70 DT Brent Urban Virginia 76
71 G Trai Turner LSU 75
72 RB Tre Mason Auburn 75
73 WR Martavis Bryant Clemson 75
74 CB Bashaud Breeland Clemson 74
75 WR Brandon Coleman Rutgers 73
76 CB Phillip Gaines Rice 73
77 WR Allen Robinson Penn State 72
78 CB Keith McGill Utah 72
79 TE C.J. Fiedorowicz Iowa 72
80 CB Pierre Desir Lindenwood 71
81 DT Caraun Reid Princeton 71
82 G Gabe Jackson Mississippi State 71
83 WR Robert Herron Wyoming 71
84 DE Kareem Martin North Carolina 71
85 G Brandon Thomas Clemson 70
86 DE Jackson Jeffcoat Texas 70
87 DT Shamar Stephen Connecticut 70
88 CB Marcus Roberson Florida 70
89 RB Charles Sims West Virginia 70
90 WR Donte Moncrief Ole Miss 70

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Another instance of "white guys must be slow" journalism, this time from Grantland regarding Blake Bortles:

Right now, though, I’m less worried about Bortles’s flaws than about what teams see when they look at him. I see a big, athletic quarterback with a great feel for operating out of the shotgun and throwing on the move. I also see a prospect who has the talent to develop into a good downfield passer capable of making complex reads, though he was rarely asked to do so at UCF. Many NFL general managers, however, see something very different: old-school NFL. As former Chicago Bears GM Jerry Angelo wrote for the Sideline View: “The reason I like Bortles best is because he’s the prototype of what successful NFL quarterbacks historically look like.”

In short, they see tradition. But while Bortles may look like a “traditional” quarterback when he’s in a T-shirt and shorts at a workout, he doesn’t play a traditional game. If teams have Bortles atop their draft boards because of how he looks rather than how he plays, they’re going to be disappointed. “When [Bortles, Bridgewater, and Manziel] walk into a room, one looks like a quarterback,” CBS reported one team GM saying. “The other two? Not so much.”

Unfortunately, “looks like a quarterback” too often means big, tall, and white. What’s more, it’s not a very effective way to select a signal caller. For every Troy Aikman, there’s at least one Jim Druckenmiller, and no quarterback looked the part more than recently failed first-rounder Blaine Gabbert, who earned the Remember the Titans–inspired nickname “Sunshine” on the pre-draft circuit then provided little of it as a pro.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Teddy Bridgewater isn't too skinny to play NFL QB: <a href="http://t.co/vv9wQd6Ugd">http://t.co/vv9wQd6Ugd</a> And he's definitely not THIS skinny: <a href="http://t.co/qRg6EXkCmx">pic.twitter.com/qRg6EXkCmx</a></p>— SB Nation CFB (@SBNationCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNationCFB/statuses/463736510161092609">May 6, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I would be very pleased if the Browns end up with Bridgewater with a later pick.
 

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It just doesn't make sense for the Browns to take a QB at 4. IMO unless they trade down it'll be either Mack or Watkins. Like ACamp said, if Bridgewater is still there at 26 it'll be a steal.
 

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Cross your fingers Browns fans. The Bucs are supposedly looking to trade for that #2 pick to take Manziel.

In a weird way, it makes sense for Tampa to get him (though not that high). Manziel's probably best used to make an otherwise bad offense decent by playing yard ball. Tampa could invest in the D and let their unorthodox QB run the show a la Randall Cunningham and the Buddy Ryan Eagles.

EDIT: not that I believe he's a sure thing to make that happen; just that he's most likely to be successful with a team that gives him free rein.
 
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Cross your fingers Browns fans. The Bucs are supposedly looking to trade for that #2 pick to take Manziel.

In a weird way, ut makes sense for Tampa to get him (though not that high). Manziel's probably best used to make an otherwise bad offense decent by playing yard ball. Tampa could invest in the D and let their unorthodox QB run the show a la Randall Cunningham and the Buddy Ryan Eagles.

If the Browns really wanted him, I cannot for the life of me come up with a reason why they would be floating this now. It almost screams that they are hoping for Watkins of Mack to fall to them.

At least, that us what I keep telling myself.
 

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If the Browns really wanted him, I cannot for the life of me come up with a reason why they would be floating this now. It almost screams that they are hoping for Watkins of Mack to fall to them.

At least, that us what I keep telling myself.

I believe that means St. Louis would be dealing the pick. The Browns' desires may be legitimate.
 

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I believe that means St. Louis would be dealing the pick. The Browns' desires may be legitimate.

Yea, but nobody knows for sure where JFF will be drafted. There really are no signs pointing that he would go 1-3 without a trade. So, if Cleveland was smart and really wanted him, they would hype up how much they wanted Watkins, Matthews or someone else to prevent a team from jumping them. They gain nothing by showing their cards.
 
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