2014 Captains

[irishfan]

I'll guess Martin, Day, KVR.

I'd like to see Golson, Martin, Smith, KVR.

I'm just not seeing Brindza as a captain and its honestly cause I'm biased and he's a kicker. Not a knock on the kid personally. You just don't see many Kickers who are captains.

How many captains have we had in past years? I know we had 3 in 2013. 1 in 2011 due to Floyd's DUI. Blanking on the numbers for 2010 and 2012 (Te'o, Eifert, Martin, anyone else?). Have we ever had more than 3 under BK?

 

[UmphreakDomer]

Scott Smith, LB but mainly played ST

nicely done! thanks. it was right there.

 

[pkt77242]

Why do people want Golson to be a captain this year?

I think Cam, KVR, Brindza. Though I could see Lombard instead of Cam.

 

[koonja]

29 more days.

 

[dublinirish]

How many captains have we had in past years? I know we had 3 in 2013. 1 in 2011 due to Floyd's DUI. Blanking on the numbers for 2010 and 2012 (Te'o, Eifert, Martin, anyone else?). Have we ever had more than 3 under BK?

2010 they just had game day captains
2010 Manti, Kap, Zack Martin

 

[ulukinatme]

Yeah, I might be okay with Golson being a captain next year if he's back. This year? No way. He screwed up, and yeah he had to pay the price and sit out a year, but I don't think that gives him a pass to be a leader that the other players should look up to...not this year anyway. If he does all the right things and carries himself well this year, then I'd be open to making him a captain next year.

 

[pkt77242]

Yeah, I might be okay with Golson being a captain next year if he's back. This year? No way. He screwed up, and yeah he had to pay the price and sit out a year, but I don't think that gives him a pass to be a leader that the other players should look up to...not this year anyway. If he does all the right things and carries himself well this year, then I'd be open to making him a captain next year.

Reps and agreed.

 

[irishfan]

2010 they just had game day captains
2010 Manti, Kap, Zack Martin

Just looked it up, we had 4 in 2012. Those three plus Eifert.

 

[irishfan]

Why do people want Golson to be a captain this year?

I think Cam, KVR, Brindza. Though I could see Lombard instead of Cam.

QB is the leader of the offense. I wanted him to be one last year as a Soph before he got suspended. He already paid the price being suspended and missing a season. No need to deny him captaincy if he deserves it.

 

[wizards8507]

High praise for Nick Martin and Sheldon Day's leadership in the opening presser.

 

[ulukinatme]

QB is the leader of the offense. I wanted him to be one last year as a Soph before he got suspended. He already paid the price being suspended and missing a season. No need to deny him captaincy if he deserves it.

No, I don't think so. Even if he did penance for sitting out a year, what does it say to the players that worked hard in the classroom and on the field last year? You would deny one of them a captain spot over Golson? If Golson got captain over a guy like Cam, or Lombard, or some other deserving player I just don't think it would be right. Michael Floyd would have been a deserving captain his Senior year if he hadn't screwed up, but he did, and as a result he didn't get that privilege.

 

[woolybug25]

No, I don't think so. Even if he did penance for sitting out a year, what does it say to the players that worked hard in the classroom and on the field last year? You would deny one of them a captain spot over Golson? If Golson got captain over a guy like Cam, or Lombard, or some other deserving player I just don't think it would be right. Michael Floyd would have been a deserving captain his Senior year if he hadn't screwed up, but he did, and as a result he didn't get that privilege.

I'm not sure that's a good comparison.

1) Floyd's offense was far greater than Golson's.
2) Floyd's senior year came immediately after the incident happened. Do you think that if Floyd could have came back for another year that he wouldn't have been a captain?
3) Golson's "mistake" happened over a season ago. It shouldn't have to be a scarlet letter for the rest of his career.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm not sure that's a good comparison.

1) Floyd's offense was far greater than Golson's.
2) Floyd's senior year came immediately after the incident happened. Do you think that if Floyd could have came back for another year that he wouldn't have been a captain?
3) Golson's "mistake" happened over a season ago. It shouldn't have to be a scarlet letter for the rest of his career.

I'm not saying Golson can't be a captain next year. In fact, if he does return next year I'd have to guess that he'd be a captain. My point is that a captain is and should be a player that the other players can look up to and emulate.

Golson JUST came back to the university, and while he's done his time, I just don't think it would be fair to nominate him as a captain this year when other more deserving players were working their tail off in the classroom and on the field for us for the last 12 months. If you reward Golson with a captain spot this season, it's like you're telling these players "It's okay to screw up, get expelled, and walk away for a year...you can just walk back in and be the role model the next year."

You say Floyd's offense was greater than Golson's, and I agree with you that DUI is a serious offense, but the fact remains that Floyd missed no games and Golson missed a year. While you and I see it differently than the university, they seem to think a lapse of judgement in academics is more serious than a DUI. I think if Floyd's offense would have happened just before his Sophomore or Junior years I'd bet that he would have been made a captain his Senior year.

 

[ND NYC]

no matter what we think or say, i dont kelly is making golson a captain...this year.
but who knows with kelly, he may surprise us all and try give EG shot of confidence right before the season starts with the C but i doubut it.
for some reason i think EG still peeking out of kellys doghouse.
kelly could also go game day not season long captaincies; hes hard to figure sometimes.


in my view i think its gonna be Martin and Day (and i guess Brindza if we have to have one on ST)

I'd like to see: Martin and Jaylon to sort of "set the leadership table" for next year.

 

[woolybug25]

I'm not saying Golson can't be a captain next year. In fact, if he does return next year I'd have to guess that he'd be a captain. My point is that a captain is and should be a player that the other players can look up to and emulate.

Golson JUST came back to the university, and while he's done his time, I just don't think it would be fair to nominate him as a captain this year when other more deserving players were working their tail off in the classroom and on the field for us for the last 12 months. If you reward Golson with a captain spot this season, it's like you're telling these players "It's okay to screw up, get expelled, and walk away for a year...you can just walk back in and be the role model the next year."

You say Floyd's offense was greater than Golson's, and I agree with you that DUI is a serious offense, but the fact remains that Floyd missed no games and Golson missed a year. While you and I see it differently than the university, they seem to think a lapse of judgement in academics is more serious than a DUI. I think if Floyd's offense would have happened just before his Sophomore or Junior years I'd bet that he would have been made a captain his Senior year.

So because Golson is just coming back, his punishment should start now? Floyd not being a captain was part of his punishment. Golson has been gone for over a year. I don't get the logic that he should be treated the same because he, like Floyd, is just coming back. Floyd didn't pay any price with time away from the team... Golson missed an entire year as punishment.

I just think that he has paid his price. It's silly to make him continue to pay the price for something he spent the last year being punished for.

They are totally different situations, imo.

 

[irishfan]

So because Golson is just coming back, his punishment should start now? Floyd not being a captain was part of his punishment. Golson has been gone for over a year. I don't get the logic that he should be treated the same because he, like Floyd, is just coming back. Floyd didn't pay any price with time away from the team... Golson missed an entire year as punishment.

I just think that he has paid his price. It's silly to make him continue to pay the price for something he spent the last year being punished for.

They are totally different situations, imo.

Agreed. He paid his price and you've got to treat him just like any other player. If he's proving himself to be one of the better leaders on the team (Intel alluded to this) then you've got to give him the C.

Any young player thinking of transferring or struggling in school is going to seek out Golson to talk to even more if he is a Captain.

 

[ulukinatme]

Any young player thinking of transferring or struggling in school is going to seek out Golson to talk to even more if he is a Captain.

Sure, I can see the conversation: "You're struggling in school? Don't even worry about it, even if you get expelled you can just come back next year and they'll make you a captain."

So because Golson is just coming back, his punishment should start now? Floyd not being a captain was part of his punishment. Golson has been gone for over a year. I don't get the logic that he should be treated the same because he, like Floyd, is just coming back. Floyd didn't pay any price with time away from the team... Golson missed an entire year as punishment.

I just think that he has paid his price. It's silly to make him continue to pay the price for something he spent the last year being punished for.

They are totally different situations, imo.

Lets look at the captains we've had in the past few years:
2013: ZMart, BJax, TJ
2012: Manti, ZMart, Kap, Eifert
2011: Was initially announced as Harrison Smith and Floyd, but Floyd was dropped and game day captains were added.
2010: Game captains I believe
2009: Clausen, Scott Smith, Kyle McCarthy
2008: David Bruton, David Grimes, Maurice Crum Jr.
2007: John Carlson, John Sullivan, Zibby
2006: Brady, Zibby, Travis Thomas
2005: Brady, Brandon Hoyte
2004: Dunno
2003: Darrell Campbell, Omar Jenkins, Jim Molinaro, Vontez Duff
2002: Who knows, I give up

Now, to my knowledge, these guys were pretty much all squeaky clean during their careers. Becoming a captain is both a reward and an honor, just because Golson served time I don't feel like he's eligible to be a captain having been completely cut off and expelled from campus over the last year. Our captains tend to be leaders on the field as well as off the field, they're a shining example to the other guys. The only snafu I can think among any of these gentlemen came from Travis Thomas...he got a little personal in a game against PSU in 2007 I think, but he also wasn't a captain that year.

Now again, I'm not saying Golson couldn't and shouldn't be a captain in the future, just not this year. It's a slight to all the guys that worked hard in 2013 and did the right things, guys like Cam, Brindza, Day, Lombard, NMart, or even a Jarrett Grace who has worked hard to come back from injury. Of course KR is a no brainer. Basically theres a number of guys that are more deserving captains. If Golson wants to come back for his senior year and be captain, I'm fine with that. However, I'm willing to bet half my remaining v-Bucks (After the trillion dollar give away later this month) that Golson won't be named captain at the start of the season...and quite frankly he shouldn't be.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

Golson won't be a captain if he didn't even come back as the starter. to me its a long shot.

 

[gkIrish]

Golson won't be a captain if he didn't even come back as the starter. to me its a long shot.

He is the starter....

 

[UmphreakDomer]

He is the starter....

not officially. of course he will be.

but BK did not stand there and say, "He's our guy. right now. out of the gate. and MZ will get the 2nd team work. and we hope to throw some at DK."

he said, "you'll know, when i know."

sooooooooo....which presser did you see?

 

[Booslum31]

Not really sure why I feel this way but it bums me out that it's not pretty clear who the captains will be...like there arent clear cut leaders on this team. Don't shoot me but it kind of irritates me.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

Not really sure why I feel this way but it bums me out that it's not pretty clear who the captains will be...like there arent clear cut leaders on this team. Don't shoot me but it kind of irritates me.

who do we have that has close to 3 years experience (that are both productive or clear cut leaders) with no off field/scholastic issues? Russel, Brindza, and cam (even though Cam only really has two) i suppose you could go with schmidt as an example of "how it can be done with lesser physical attributes and paying your dues...blah blah blah).

its not that big of a deal just starting out. id be nervous if none are named after culver.

 

[ulukinatme]

Not really sure why I feel this way but it bums me out that it's not pretty clear who the captains will be...like there arent clear cut leaders on this team. Don't shoot me but it kind of irritates me.

I think the captains this year will be fine. I think there's no clear cut guys not because of a lack of leaders, but because there's a number of guys with no black marks and set good examples. If I had to guess it'll be KR, NMart or Lombard, and either a Cam, or Brindza, or some other guy in that mold that rises to the occasion. You can make the case for several other guys to be a captain. Are there any inspirational leaders like Manti on the roster right now? Probably not, and I wouldn't expect many of those to come along often.

 

[dshans]

Another of my silly musical references:

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Click if you will. Vilify me if you wish.

I don't give a shit. I've lived long enough to feel superior to most of you, justified or not.


Just for surviving. Just for being smarter. Just for shits and giggles. Just for the hell of it.

I am the captain of my soul.

 

[ulukinatme]

Another of my silly musical references:

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Click if you will. Vilify me if you wish.

I don't give a shit. I've lived long enough to feel superior to most of you, justified or not.


Just for surviving. Just for being smarter. Just for shits and giggles. Just for the hell of it.

I am the captain of my soul.

Good song, this one came to mind too when I saw the "captain" theme.

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This is my favorite Grand Funk Railroad song:

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[dshans]

Good song, this one came to mind too when I saw the "captain" theme.

Trust me, Blues Image' "Ride Captain Ride" was swirling all around my brain when I first saw the thread title. I went with a longer song to piss some off.

I feel that GFR fell from favor when the Disco Dolts squeezed out the bluesy, gospel, rock semi-funk-white-boy bands for the likes of Gloria Gaynor and Saturday Night Fever.

What a pity. What a dark time. Fortunately, with a bit of "in your face" adaptation The Stones pulled through. There is hope to be had.



[Thread deflection ended.]

 

[UmphreakDomer]

Trust me, Blues Image' "Ride Captain Ride" was swirling all around my brain when I first saw the thread title. I went with a longer song to piss some off.

I feel that GFR fell from favor when the Disco Dolts squeezed out the bluesy, gospel, rock semi-funk-white-boy bands for the likes of Gloria Gaynor and Saturday Night Fever.

What a pity. What a dark time. Fortunately, with a bit of "in your face" adaptation The Stones pulled through. There is hope to be had.



[Thread deflection ended.]

do that again, and imma dangle my participle.

 

[Fbolt]

I feel many are being blinded by the QB thing with Golson. His punishment does not start now-it's over. However, captaincy needs to be earned over time. He just can't re-enroll and pick up a slot. Earned-over time.

 

[ulukinatme]

I feel many are being blinded by the QB thing with Golson. His punishment does not start now-it's over. However, captaincy needs to be earned over time. He just can't re-enroll and pick up a slot. Earned-over time.

Yes, this is what I was going for. Denying Golson a chance at captain isn't a punishment, it's an issue of earning your position as captain. When someone breaks your trust, you don't immediately start trusting them again, that trust must be earned. The same thing should apply for captains. You want someone in that position that you know will set a good example for all the other players on and off the field. Let Golson prove himself this year, then next year maybe he can have that spot if he's still here.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Nick Martin

Sheldon Day

Keivaree Russell

probably Cam McDaniel

... absolutely no way Everett Golson. If he proves it this year, then OK next.

Permanent Year Captains must be zero defects gambles. That's why Coach cannot even consider guys like Daniels, Golson, Ishaq, --- He does not consider Lombard because Lombard is "the quiet man" and NMart is the acknowledged alpha wolf now that big brother is gone. Koyack has apparently not been able to emerge from the incredible train of superstar TEs to feel that way about himself yet. Brown's still not proven much. Jaylon's a little young. Jarrett is plenty OK for it but can he play? Brindza? I don't know. I want a Captain who can "grab throats" in the heat of the action and stare the eyes down and say: dammit let's WIN this thing!!

The Big Green Kelly Machine will develop leadership now that Coach gets better understanding of what a Notre Dame player is [wildly different when looked at as a full squad than the animal teams --- and gets a better approach how to get the thinkers to roar a bit more. .... Remember John Goodman's story about the night before the Miami bowl game when both teams were "entertaining" one another at a banquet. Afterwards the Miami player comes to him and says: "You all could of been Kings, but you chose acadamemics." Spelling on purpose... this sort of thing indicates the differences in coaching Miami, FSU, SEC et al. Kelly will adjust as to evolving leadership.]

The other issue regarding leadership development on-field and sidelines and in-practice is that our systems defeated individuality too much for my tastes. Yes, you cannot allow the inmates to run the asylum, but particularly defensively almost all spontaneity was squashed. It is difficult to be both individualistically squashed and rise above the surface to lead in any emotional/energetic way --- in my opinion. Look for the BVG era to be different.