2013 Fall Camp Thread

[Damion704]

Que?

 

[beryirish]

Hadn't seen this posted anywhere. Classic Coach D. Hilarious.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Diaco moved from talking about language to vanilla extract to have a good weekend in a matter of seconds, it was amazing</p>— Anna Hickey (@AnnaHScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/AnnaHScout/statuses/370682599720513536">August 22, 2013</a></blockquote>
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She wants him and i want to be him.

what if she was talking about something else...

 

[Booslum31]

To me it looks like GAIII runs through traffic very well on some reps, but some reps he seems to tighten up, slow down, and kind of tip-toes through with his shoulders up high. If he can't consistently keep those shoulders dropped low, he's going to get smacked quite a few times right under the chin.

I think he's going to get it done, but I still would like to see him get the body low and move through contact like Theo did. How spoiled we have been with running backs the last three seasons...

I think that GAIII is going to surprise some folks. I remember Anthony Dickerson running a tad upright as well.

 

[kmoose]

I think that GAIII is going to surprise some folks. I remember Anthony Dickerson running a tad upright as well.

Who the he!! is Anthony Dickerson?

 

[WestCoast]

Who the he!! is Anthony Dickerson?

The love child from Anthony Davis and Eric Dickerson?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

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Looking forward to the upcoming David Haugh expose on the sweat shop ND is running out of St. Michael's Laundry.

 

[WestCoast]

what if she was talking about something else...

You think she was talking about his hair? wink wink, nudge nudge, know what I mean... ok, not sure where I was going with that.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Who the he!! is Anthony Dickerson?

Some LB.

 

[irishff1014]

In regards to the whole option/ sweep thing in the video:

Apparently GAIII is he starting RB, and will get more carries than any other single player (but probably below 50% still IMO). I am a little surprised by this since he pad level has been a huge problem in the past, and his lateral agility hasn't been ideal either. Now pad level is fixable its more of a technique thing, so it is fixable (with coaching/ practice/ muscle memory). Lateral agility is more of a "physical limitation" you can work to improve it, but IMO it more of a natural ability thing. Now GAIII's straight line speed is awesome, but his lateral agility/ cutting ability isn't (still above average). I think what we are seeing are ways to get the ball outside to GAII to utilize his speed (see Miami last year) rather than sending him between the tackles every play (well, the majority of the plays). I also like how TJ Jones move to the slot could impact this. Jones is a plus blocker IMO, so he is definitely capable of setting a good edge and allowing GAIII to get outside. I think we see Tommy doing the pitch plays (something I have noticed alot in the videos- moreso than normal handoffs) to cater to GAIII's strengths (his straight line speed). Getting the ball outside quickly is key. I think that is why we are using the pitch more often (via the videos) rather than the handoff (of course it could just be those chose to show us that. I think we will see Bryant and Cam between the tackles and GAIII (and Amir) with the outside runs more often than not.


Summary: We are using the pitch and option plays to get the ball out wide cater to GAII's strength (straight line speed), not because Tommy can (or will) run.
Of course I am no expert, and this is purely conjecture (kind of like most of this thread), so take it for what it is worth, but those are my thoughts.

Don't for get to consider Amir.

 

[rikkitikki08]

8 days boys!

 

[NDBoiler]

8 days boys!

WRONG!

7 days 23 hours 6 minutes

But I am not keeping track...

 

[Cackalacky]

WRONG!

7 days 23 hours 6 minutes

But I am not keeping track...

Boiler. Go to ISD Intel thread now....

 

[ulukinatme]

Looking forward to the upcoming David Haugh expose on the sweat shop ND is running out of St. Michael's Laundry.

I'm kind of glad I haven't paid attention to this douche till now. He had a lovely piece today about Kelly. Seems like he's trying to help push him to the NFL with this article:

Brian Kelly: What does Brian Kelly have up his sleeve? - chicagotribune.com

 

[NDBoiler]

Boiler. Go to ISD Intel thread now....

LOL, thanks I needed that. You fufilled my Friday afternoon requests from the past 2 weeks!

Reps!!!!!

 

[FearTheBeard]

Whoever said "let's ****ing go!" at the beginning of the video is my kind of motivator.

Definitely agree with this im guilty of yelling that at the tv multiple times a game as well. Im not worried about the running back position at all, it will work out well.

 

[irishandy]

Bryant and Folston both look good, it will be hard to keep them both off the field. I think Bryant is our quickest running back. I have a feeling that one or more of our freshman will make a huge impact against Michigan.

I hope Ishaq has the type of season that Tuitt had last season.

 

[Luckylucci]

On the Ishaq statement, I think that's asking a little much. Tuitt almost set the ND single season sack record last year and Ishaq isn't even going to be a starter. He can have a great year but Tuitt is on a another level.

 

[Patulski]

To me it looks like GAIII runs through traffic very well on some reps, but some reps he seems to tighten up, slow down, and kind of tip-toes through with his shoulders up high. If he can't consistently keep those shoulders dropped low, he's going to get smacked quite a few times right under the chin.

I think he's going to get it done, but I still would like to see him get the body low and move through contact like Theo did. How spoiled we have been with running backs the last three seasons...

GAIII is 3 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier than Theo. He's a different back with different skills. Seems like lots of people in retrospect are looking at the positives of Theo and the negatives of GAIII. I'll give you an example: Against BYU, the same game that GAIII scored the winning TD on a horizontal play where he made a quick cut to get into the end zone, Theo ran through a wide open hole in the line of scrimmage, only to be run down by a defensive back 30 yards down field. GAII would have taken it to the house.

So they both have strengths, they're just different backs. George can do things Theo can't and Vice Versa.

Can't wait for the season to start so that all the speculation is put to rest.

 

[Kak7304]

Bryant and Folston both look good, it will be hard to keep them both off the field. I think Bryant is our quickest running back. I have a feeling that one or more of our freshman will make a huge impact against Michigan.

I hope Ishaq has the type of season that Tuitt had last season.

From the videos I've seen, Carlisle looks to be the quickest.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

GAIII is 3 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier than Theo. He's a different back with different skills. Seems like lots of people in retrospect are looking at the positives of Theo and the negatives of GAIII. I'll give you an example: Against BYU, the same game that GAIII scored the winning TD on a horizontal play where he made a quick cut to get into the end zone, Theo ran through a wide open hole in the line of scrimmage, only to be run down by a defensive back 30 yards down field. GAII would have taken it to the house.

So they both have strengths, they're just different backs. George can do things Theo can't and Vice Versa.

Can't wait for the season to start so that all the speculation is put to rest.

You make a good point but I have to wonder would GAIII have been able to get through that hole at the line of scrimmage? If I am thinking of the same play, it looked like he was stood up in his tracks and then next thing you know he was through and came darn close to taking it to the house. I think GAIII is great on the outside but running him up the middle never seems to work too well. If I had to choose between him or Cam to get 3-4 yards up the middle, I would go with Cam. He never stops moving his feet and always seems to get those extra tough yards. I hope GAIII has learned to get lower because if not, he won't be running between the tackles very successfully this year.

 

[NDhoosier]

So, Bryant and Carlisle are more quick than fast and GAIII is more fast than quick?

 

[dshans]

From the videos I've seen, Carlisle looks to be the quickest.

So you're saying he's quickerest than fasterest???

 

[Bluto]

Went back and watched GAIII's senior highlights from high school. Dude can definately catch the ball. As a matter of fact him coming out of the backfield on a wheel route is damn near a guaranteed TD.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Went back and watched GAIII's senior highlights from high school. Dude can definately catch the ball. As a matter of fact him coming out of the backfield on a wheel route is damn near a guaranteed TD.

Catching in high school is a little different than in college. (not being a dick) lol. In high school he was the fastest player by a massive margin on every field he stepped on. College he is probably the fastest on 99% of the fields, but that margin has decreased. There isnt a much space to feel "comfortable" and everything happens at a quicker rate. In high school, he was the best player on his team, and now in college there are talented players all over the field. GA3 was actually recruited as a WR, and I have a feeling if he would have stuck there considering the depth at the time, if he was adequate catching the ball. Not saying he cant make plays in the pass game at RB, but its a different game.

With that said Id love to see ND get into running some more combo routes and the Wheel Route is one of them. With guys like GA3, Amir, GB, Folston, and the WRs, there is a enough speed to get separation. But, that is also not one of Rees strengths. Getting a ball inbetween the safety and the guy covering the wheel route isnt on of Rees strengths.

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The throw at 3:08....Im not sure Rees can make that throw, and a lot of the teams ND will be play run a cover 2 variation against ND. Im not even sure you want Rees to attempt a throw like that. Golson could make that throw, but we will have to wait till next year.

 

[BGIF]

Went back and watched GAIII's senior highlights from high school. Dude can definately catch the ball. As a matter of fact him coming out of the backfield on a wheel route is damn near a guaranteed TD.

From post #235 by Whiskeyjack in the GA III Recruiting profile from Januart of '12:

Kelly said GAIII got moved to RB because he doesn't have the hands for WR.

In light of that, I think we'll see McDaniel moved to the slot before we see GAIII back at WR.

 

[BGIF]

Rather than trying to throw the ball 40+ Yds downfield on that Swope 3:08 pass play, GA could be utilized as a receiver on a simple throw and catch.

Spread GA wide behind Niklas, Rees spins and hits him behind the line of scrimmage. GA takes off behind Troy.

Same formation, pump fake to GA while Troy takes off downfield.

Same formation, Troy steps off the line before the snap uncovering Koyack. Pump to GA, then hit Koyack on the seam, or running across away from GA and TN.

Same formation, quick pump fake then hand off to Carlisle.


And while that deception is going on, who's got Brown, TJ, or Daniels on the other side?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Seam and Tommy? Ehh.

Tommy's a good qb but the throws that are going to made in tight windows are not his strength.

 

[BobD]

Seam and Tommy? Ehh.

Tommy's a good qb but the throws that are going to made in tight windows are not his strength.

How much separation do you think Tommy needs?

 

[BGIF]

Seam and Tommy? Ehh.

Tommy's a good qb but the throws that are going to made in tight windows are not his strength.

You posted the Swopes video. Instead of the 45 yard throw Manziel had to make at 3:08 down the sideline over a defender, I'll take the two previous high percentage plays. There's no tight window on either of those plays.

On one play Manziel hits Swopes on the near side behind the LOS AND behind a blocker. On the next play going the other way Manziel is wide open 10 -15 yards downfield. Tommy made both those throws as a true freshman.

 

[stlnd01]

Rather than trying to throw the ball 40+ Yds downfield on that Swope 3:08 pass play, GA could be utilized as a receiver on a simple throw and catch.

Spread GA wide behind Niklas, Rees spins and hits him behind the line of scrimmage. GA takes off behind Troy.

Sounds like the old Michael Floyd bubble screen special. Saw a lot of that in 2011. And Atkinson's big enough to break a first tackle if needed. Why not?
As for the wheel route, as BGIF suggests I'd think we can find ways to get Atkinson the ball on the run without needing Rees to drop a throw in a tiny hole that far downfield. I seem to recall some short wheel routes to Riddick. They can turn into something big.