2012 Fall Camp Thread

[Emcee77]

Irish Illustrated ‏@NDatRivals
Second team cornerbacks this morning were Jalen Brown and KeiVarae Russell. Bennett Jackson and Lo Wood the starters. #NotreDame

Josh must be PO'd big time. Not that we should read too much into one practice

 

[Irishman77]

Damn where is Atkinson ?

 

[gkIrish]

Irish Sports Daily ‏@ISDUpdate
#NDpractice: Ishaq Williams also had a brace on his right shoulder. OLB Danny Spond was there, but didn't practice.

 

[peoriairish]

Josh must be PO'd big time.

Or the other guys are playing better and he realizes that whatever is best for the team, is best for the team. Hopefully an ND player doesn't get PO'd when he gets replaced on the depth chart.

 

[Emcee77]

Or the other guys are playing better and he realizes that whatever is best for the team, is best for the team. Hopefully an ND player doesn't get PO'd when he gets replaced on the depth chart.

You think? I would say the opposite, that we would want him to be PO'd so he is motivated to raise his game, and then other players raise their game in turn. I thought that was the theory of how training camp is supposed to work. Competition breeds excellence. I am no football coach though.

 

[arrowryan]

What time is the press conference? 1:30?

Also, I think it is pretty obvious that Golson will be the quarterback against Navy. Kelly should just announce it today

 

[NDdomer2]

I think you want both. I think you want him not being in the two deep to burn internally and drive him but you also want a kid to realize that it is TEAM first. If Russell is balling then its better for the team. Atkinson is just a sophomore it isn't like he won't get his opportunity to get on the field.

 

[fitz_bu47]

It sends a message to the players when coaches fiddle around w/ who gets the reps w/ the 1's and 2's. Sometimes it's a wake up call to the guy who got replaced, sometimes it's that the other guy has earned it and could be a real switch. You want guys who react in a positive manner, and step their game up to reclaim their spot. If that means being pissed off at practice, there is no problem w/ that. I know for me, and some guys I played w/, we practiced a lot better when we were a little pissed off.

 

[Riddickulous]

Lot of players banged up.

 

[NDPhilly]

Lot of players banged up.

Most likely because of all the 11-11.

 

[PANDFAN]

Most likely because of all the 11-11.

agree....but i would rather them be more prepared now then play it safe and end up beng a soft team ala weis years...plus it helps the qb preperation soo much more imo

 

[FLDomer]

Its about half way through camp and we have been running a lot of 11 on 11...people are gonna get dinks and dings, this isnt table tennis here. A lot of the bracing is preventative, kinda like the all Olinemen in knee braces. Everyone take a breath.

 

[arrowryan]

This is football, they are going to get banged up. The 11v11 will help them more than hurt them. It helps Golson a lot and it helps the young receivers and secondary a lot.

If they are banged up or not, they will be ready to roll on September 1st!

 

[peoriairish]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but are all the players banged up 'cause of the 11 v 11?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Per Sapp:

-Neal looks special
-Ferguson very good at getting under coverage
-Brown can really stretch the field
-Okwara running second team DOG. Striking resemblence to D Flem on the field.
-Baratti running at second team S with Salvi while Farley up w/ 1st team while Slaughter was out. (Where is McCarthy?)
-JJ definitely looked more aggresive. Still thinks he is best suited for tackle (Something to watch for if another one goes down).
-Mahone looks like Jonas Gray out there. Gaining confidence
-Shumate very physical at corner (where is he in the rotation? 3rd team with Atkinson?)
- Prosise was 3rd team DOG. Still trying to learn the position.
-Stanley holding down #2 LT
-Harrell cross training between center and guard.

 

[peoriairish]

Haha awesome response to a fan by II.

(for those who can't follow, SteveC11 asked when Golson will be announced. The rest is II's response.)

Irish Illustrated ‏@NDatRivals
My hunch would be at about 8:57 a.m. eastern on Sept. 1. @SteveC11 What time is #Golson announced as starter ?

 

[D-BOE34]

Is it possible that BK is getting the CB's in 2nd team play to change up who they are matching against and to give them better looks in practice? Not necessarily a depth chart thing.

 

[peoriairish]

Tyler James ‏@TJamesISR
Brian Kelly: OT Tate Nichols has a patella sublaxation (sp?). Something he's had before. Expect him back in couple weeks. Unclear for Navy.

To correct his spelling, it's a subluxation. Which is another name for dislocation, sort of. Still good to hear. BK said 2-3 weeks.

 

[peoriairish]

Irish Sports Daily ‏@ISDUpdate
Kelly does not want to play 2 QBs.

 

[bigedefense]

You think? I would say the opposite, that we would want him to be PO'd so he is motivated to raise his game, and then other players raise their game in turn. I thought that was the theory of how training camp is supposed to work. Competition breeds excellence. I am no football coach though.

I agree with you. Motivation is an internal thing. If the player get's PO'd and does as you say, that is what a coach wants. What happens all to often is players think of themselves only. I think ND players are different in that, they will get PO'd but not have the "me" mentality. I can't tell you how many times I have had to defend my position on motivation. (sorry, but I am on my personal soap box today) I can NOT be motivated by any of the "great motivators" to do something if I do not have the "want to" in me. There is NO way I personally could be motivated to root for Michigan. Another example, and one I have used when talking to a young assistant coach, I CANNOT be motivated to have sexual relations with a man; I CAN be motivated to pull for ND to win the National Championship. Now back on topic. I think ND players are the cream of this generations crop. I think that they would be extremely PO'd by not starting, but at themselves. They will look inward to find where they could have done better and how they can do that in the future. I don't think ND has any players that would, as we say in Mississippi, SULL-UP and pout because they were beaten. I don't think the coaching staff, or other players, would let that "cancer" in the team. Just my opinion and I am sticking to it.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

ISD twitter update says BK will play all the backs. In Amir's thread I posted that I didn't think he would. I admit my defeat. Now I'm excited to see what kind of tricks he has up his sleeve to get all of these guys some PT.

Sounds like the young guys are in line for a lot of playing time this season as well. I love how they've came in ready to compete and seemingly have earned some reps.

 

[bigedefense]

Tyler James ‏@TJamesISR
Brian Kelly: OT Tate Nichols has a patella sublaxation (sp?). Something he's had before. Expect him back in couple weeks. Unclear for Navy.

To correct his spelling, it's a subluxation. Which is another name for dislocation, sort of. Still good to hear. BK said 2-3 weeks.

I think a subluxation is when it only partially comes out. A common example I think is when shoulders sublux. The only knowledge I have is from players in the past that have had shoulder problems. Usually after one sublux's, pain is extreme for a week or two and then rehab to strengthen the muscles around it to keep it in. Thinking back, most of my guys ended up having surgery to repair the problem that allowed it. Most all played the season however. I don't know if a knee cap and shoulder are comparable, but just thought I would share what I have seen. We have some PT's in the IE family, speak up guys and let us know how long he will be out.

 

[NDPhilly]

“@NDatRivals: Asked Jamoris Slaughter if it mattered to him who the QB was. He said it didn't, then talked about how good Everett Golson would be.”

Your move BK

 

[Old Man Mike]

Concerning the cornerbacks and practicing: this is something that I don't know about so more experienced board members can perhaps clear up. It seems to me that coaches like to practice ones vs ones, or ones vs twos. The receivers on the ones probably can't "go" full steam all practice long. Twos come in but they get the edge taken off too. This is where threes or walk-ons sometimes fill the gaps to allow practice to go full speed.

Now, lets say that you were a DB coach, and you'd decided that Jackson and Wood would likely be the ones. They get tested by the offensive ones or at worst the twos. But now who are your twos at corner? You have maybe six guys all vying for the role [or even ultimately higher] but you really haven't seen them in true action enough to separate them out. Are you going to just pick out a Brown or an Atkinson and run them all the time against your ones and twos, but by the time you get Shumate or Russell [for example] in there, they are running mainly against threes or walk-ons? How are you going to filter with that pattern?

It seems to me that I would have sat down with my D-Backs and told them straight: gentlemen, Bennett and Lo are going to get the reps with the ones until they give their spot away. After that we're going to mix it up so that all of you are going to have to defend TJ, Tyler when he's flanked, Chris, Davaris, --- and you'll have your chances to show what you can do. Don't pay any attention to "two" or "three" now. That will sort itself out.

As I say. I don't know whether the speculation is embedded in actual football practice pattern reality or not, so you guys can let me know where the concept falls down.

 

[SoIll]

IrishIllustrated.com - Video: Irish keep competing

players look loose as can be.. i dig it

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I agree with you. Motivation is an internal thing. If the player get's PO'd and does as you say, that is what a coach wants. What happens all to often is players think of themselves only. I think ND players are different in that, they will get PO'd but not have the "me" mentality. I can't tell you how many times I have had to defend my position on motivation. (sorry, but I am on my personal soap box today) I can NOT be motivated by any of the "great motivators" to do something if I do not have the "want to" in me. There is NO way I personally could be motivated to root for Michigan. Another example, and one I have used when talking to a young assistant coach, I CANNOT be motivated to have sexual relations with a man; I CAN be motivated to pull for ND to win the National Championship. Now back on topic. I think ND players are the cream of this generations crop. I think that they would be extremely PO'd by not starting, but at themselves. They will look inward to find where they could have done better and how they can do that in the future. I don't think ND has any players that would, as we say in Mississippi, SULL-UP and pout because they were beaten. I don't think the coaching staff, or other players, would let that "cancer" in the team. Just my opinion and I am sticking to it.

.....What would you do for ND to win a NC?

 

[Ironman8]

Irish Illustrated ‏@NDatRivals

Most interesting thing I heard today was maybe Mike Elston on the D-line depth. “We’re way better. It’s not even close to last year.”

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Irish Illustrated ‏@NDatRivals

That's what I'm talking about!

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

@NDatRivals: Personnel note: Special teams coordinator Scott Booker said Cam McDaniel is lining up next to George Atkinson III on kick return.

 

[NDBoiler]

@NDatRivals: Personnel note: Special teams coordinator Scott Booker said Cam McDaniel is lining up next to George Atkinson III on kick return.

Wow, am I missing something or is that pretty unexpected?