'20 KY TE Michael Mayer (Notre Dame Signee)

[Luckylucci]

Id bet about every playoff contending QB is hoping he falls to their time.

Picks like this is how smart front offices, that run perennial playoff teams, stay playoff contenders.

The Bengals would be a great situation for Mayer.

 

[bumpdaddy]

The draft analysts can rarely stick w/ the original narrative. Seems most of the mocks have Kincaid as top TE after hearing that Mayer was the top talent for over a year. I’m sure Kincaid is good & maybe he’s better than Mayer? What about the Washington kid at UGA? Some have him & Kincaid going before Mayer. I’m biased but I hate that he’s dropping behind others have a helluva career. Then again I didn’t understand why Clausen, Manti & Kizer dropped to the 2nd round after being discussed as 1st rounders but none of them panned out so I guess they were right.

I think it's mostly Jeremiah. He's not as high on Mayer as others. Kiper and McShay both have Mayer as #1 TE and going somewhere in the mid-1st. I think Jeremiah (and possibly others) are assuming Mayer isn't very fast and his game won't translate as well in the NFL. I think he'll be proven completely wrong. Not about his speed. The dude knows how to get open and knows how to make plays against all types of defenders and defenses. He's elite.

 

[stpeteirish]

Picks like this is how smart front offices, that run perennial playoff teams, stay playoff contenders.

The Bengals would be a great situation for Mayer.

Grew up right across the river from Cincy

 

[stpeteirish]

I think it's mostly Jeremiah. He's not as high on Mayer as others. Kiper and McShay both have Mayer as #1 TE and going somewhere in the mid-1st. I think Jeremiah (and possibly others) are assuming Mayer isn't very fast and his game won't translate as well in the NFL. I think he'll be proven completely wrong. Not about his speed. The dude knows how to get open and knows how to make plays against all types of defenders and defenses. He's elite.

I think he left school to do the draft prep camp plan. A couple months of draft specific training will help him in the combine

 

[ulukinatme]

Daniel Jeremiah 2023 NFL mock draft 2.0: Tyree Wilson goes before Will Anderson Jr.; Lions take QB

28th overall to Bengals

If he drops to 28th at least 13 teams made a mistake.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I think it's mostly Jeremiah. He's not as high on Mayer as others. Kiper and McShay both have Mayer as #1 TE and going somewhere in the mid-1st. I think Jeremiah (and possibly others) are assuming Mayer isn't very fast and his game won't translate as well in the NFL. I think he'll be proven completely wrong. Not about his speed. The dude knows how to get open and knows how to make plays against all types of defenders and defenses. He's elite.

Unless he’s updated it, Bucky Brooks has Mayer as the #3 TE in his mock. I think your reasoning is spot on. If he runs a worse than expected 40, it’ll be the talk of the draft but in the long run it won’t mean shit.

 

[dublinirish]

I hope his agents are wise and don’t let him run a 40 at combine (or at all)


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[Some Irish Bloke]

Unless he’s updated it, Bucky Brooks has Mayer as the #3 TE in his mock. I think your reasoning is spot on. If he runs a worse than expected 40, it’ll be the talk of the draft but in the long run it won’t mean shit.

People put way too much stock in the underwear olympics, aka the combine.

His film and team interviews, which he's 100% guaranteed to impress, should speak for themselves. ND played a respectful schedule this year and he was the only viable, consistent weapon we possessed in the passing game and he still couldn't be stopped.

Gronk wasn't a burner by any stretch of the imagination but the crips route running and football IQ is what separated him, and unreal hands. Mayer possesses all of the same intangibles. Anyone who doesn't believe he's the #1 TE prospect in 2023 is kidding themselves.

 

[bumpdaddy]

People put way too much stock in the underwear olympics, aka the combine.

His film and team interviews, which he's 100% guaranteed to impress, should speak for themselves. ND played a respectful schedule this year and he was the only viable, consistent weapon we possessed in the passing game and he still couldn't be stopped.

Gronk wasn't a burner by any stretch of the imagination but the crips route running and football IQ is what separated him, and unreal hands. Mayer possesses all of the same intangibles. Anyone who doesn't believe he's the #1 TE prospect in 2023 is kidding themselves.

Sure, people do put too much stock in the underwear olympics and that includes plenty of bad GMs. Every year certain players significantly fall or rise in the draft solely based on their combine performance, or even more specifically their 40 time. It's understandable if draft boards get slightly adjusted based on combine performance but that shouldn't overshadow 2+ years of game film, and yet every year that's what happens with some players. That's why I think the trend of top QBs sitting out of the combine is a very smart one despite the pushback from media talking heads when the trend first started (e.g., "is he afraid to compete!?"). I also think it's smart for top players at other positions to do the same thing by selectively participating in only the drills they know they will excel in and leaving the rest for their pro day.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Why are so many assuming that Mayer won’t run a good 40? Good tight ends run anywhere from the 4.4s to 4.7s. What has he done or not done on the field to make anyone think he’ll run 4.8 or slower? I just never watched him and thought to myself, “man, that Mayer is slow.” Brock Wright never looked very fast and he ran a 4.6 flat at his pro day.

 

[317Irish]

Why are so many assuming that Mayer won’t run a good 40? Good tight ends run anywhere from the 4.4s to 4.7s. What has he done or not done on the field to make anyone think he’ll run 4.8 or slower? I just never watched him and thought to myself, “man, that Mayer is slow.” Brock Wright never looked very fast and he ran a 4.6 flat at his pro day.

Italics?

 

[SeekNDestroy]

Italics?

So you think he’s slow?

 

[Wild Bill]

Why are so many assuming that Mayer won’t run a good 40? Good tight ends run anywhere from the 4.4s to 4.7s. What has he done or not done on the field to make anyone think he’ll run 4.8 or slower? I just never watched him and thought to myself, “man, that Mayer is slow.” Brock Wright never looked very fast and he ran a 4.6 flat at his pro day.

If he runs it he should run it wherever the hell Brock Wright ran his 4.6.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast

 

[ACamp1900]

I hope his agents are wise and don’t let him run a 40 at combine (or at all)


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Nah,… run it,… have him drop to the early second and my Brownies

 

[NDPhilly]

He may show up to the combine at 255 and run a 4.6. I think he played 10+ pounds too heavy this year.

 

[Junkhead]

He may show up to the combine at 255 and run a 4.6. I think he played 10+ pounds too heavy this year.

I see him around 4.75, just a guess, but wouldn't be bad at 250lb+.

 

[ulukinatme]

He may show up to the combine at 255 and run a 4.6. I think he played 10+ pounds too heavy this year.

Didn't seem to hurt him at any point. Probably helped to have the extra padding with all the shots he took, not to mention blocking.

 

[yankeehater]

I see him around 4.75, just a guess, but wouldn't be bad at 250lb+.

Isn't 250 lbs. a standard NFL tight end? So then 4.75 at that size would be slow. I think he needs to be sub 4.6 otherwise it will not look good.

 

[yankeehater]

I hope his agents are wise and don’t let him run a 40 at combine (or at all)


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Trey McBride the #1 TE chosen last year didn't run at the combine and it didn't hurt his status. However, he did run a 4.54 and 4.56 at his pro day so that answered any questions.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Mayer

Isn't 250 lbs. a standard NFL tight end? So then 4.75 at that size would be slow. I think he needs to be sub 4.6 otherwise it will not look good.

No, he doesn't need to be sub 4.6

Not a lot of tight ends can run that. Mayer has been ultra productive and ultra reliable. If he runs in the 4.6-4.7 range, all is good. If he starts drifting above 4.7 then it could cause his value to take a hit but he'll still be a very good pro TE.

 

[notredomer23]

remember when Boykin looked like a 4.7 guy and ran a 4.42? I have no clue what Mayer will run and doubt it will be indicative of what he showed on the field here, but he’s been training since December and the guy is a freak.

 

[GowerND11]

Everyone calls Mayer "Baby Gronk" right? So therefore, while a couple inches shorter, if you see what Gronk ran, anything near that is a good sign. I mean, they even run similar with the ball. It looks a little awkward, but you don't see them getting caught from behind because they are slow, they get caught from behind by DBs being fast. It would be different if you saw LBs catching up all the time.

 

[NDdomer2]

gronk ran a 4.68

 

[GowerND11]

gronk ran a 4.68

Exactly! Mayer runs around there he is just fine.

 

[Armyirish47]

gronk ran a 4.68

And Travis Kelce ran a 4.63. Mayer is going to be alright alright alright.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

People put way too much stock in the underwear olympics, aka the combine.

His film and team interviews, which he's 100% guaranteed to impress, should speak for themselves. ND played a respectful schedule this year and he was the only viable, consistent weapon we possessed in the passing game and he still couldn't be stopped.

Gronk wasn't a burner by any stretch of the imagination but the crips route running and football IQ is what separated him, and unreal hands. Mayer possesses all of the same intangibles. Anyone who doesn't believe he's the #1 TE prospect in 2023 is kidding themselves.

I don’t disagree. Gronk was a 2nd rounder IIRC but he was coming off a serious back injury & hadn’t played much his final season.

I probably have an inferiority complex when it comes to ND players in the draft. I think he‘s a prototypical NFL TE that should be a first rounder but I’m extremely biased & know folks down in my neck of the woods would love to see him drop & say “I told you so”.

End of the day, Mayer will be fine regardless.

 

[NDdomer2]

Exactly! Mayer runs around there he is just fine.

And Travis Kelce ran a 4.63. Mayer is going to be alright alright alright.

really not different than what everyone has been saying. If he can be 4.7 or below hes fine. He doesn't strike me as someone who runs as good as Kelce but heres hoping he has the same sprint trainers as Boykin

 

[GowerND11]

really not different than what everyone has been saying. If he can be 4.7 or below hes fine. He doesn't strike me as someone who runs as good as Kelce but heres hoping he has the same sprint trainers as Boykin

Oh yeah absolutely everyone is. Just putting it into context of who he is compared to.

 

[317Irish]

So you think he’s slow?

I do think he is somewhat slow, here are my thoughts based on what he might run:

Sub 4.6 - I’ll admit I was wrong, and this will help his draft stock a decent amount
Low-to-mid 4.6’s - likely his goal. Will be viewed as a positive sign by analysts
High 4.6’s - likeliest scenario for me. This will solidify most people’s thoughts about him.
4.7 or lower - gives a lot of teams a reason to be proved wrong when he’s a HOF’er in about 20 years