'20 CT QB Drew Pyne (ND->ASU->MO->BGSU Transfer)

[Te'o4Heisman]

Tyler Buchner Stats | ESPN
21/35 (60%), 298 yards, 8.5 YPA, 3 TDs/3 INTs

I think some of yall don't know what you want tbh. I remember how much people complained and whined on various ND forums about how "Kelly never played true freshman (or underclassmen) because he was scared that they'd make mistakes", then a true freshman forces his way onto the playing field and it's suddenly "we have to be concerned about him going forward because he wasn't perfect and made mistakes". Tyler Buchner wasn't ready to start at ND in 2021, but to this point there's no reason to believe that he won't be ready to be the starter at ND in 2022.

I know exactly what I want. If Buchner takes the steps we hope he will, he has a chance to win the starting job and be explosive. That was never part of my concern or debate. My comment was more that people are anointing him and saying they will be pissed if he doesnt start, and I just said thats premature. Based on his current body of work, he NEEDS to make big strides to be the starting QB the team needs him to be. Can he do it? Yes, absolutely, but as of yet he hasnt done that and hasnt EARNED more than the opportunity to compete for the job. Is that not fair?

 

[irishog77]

I genuinely don’t remember, but we’re people hoping or thinking Rees would be the starter in ‘12 over EG?
It’s by no means a perfect comparison to make between TB and Pyne in ‘22 with the ‘12 situation, but good grief, the same writing is on the wall. EG never quite became what we all hoped he would, but it was plain as day that ND needed to make the switch to EG to take the next step.
Pyne may be able to get ND to perennial 10-2 territory. TB may be able to get ND to the playoffs and have a chance once there.

Unless TB is awful and is the reincarnation of Andrew Hendrix, it’s a complete no-brainer to go with him over Pyne.
Anybody pining for Pyne is probably a blue hair telling people to sit down at games.

 

[irishandy]

The little that Pyne played last year, I like how he played. The spotlight didn't seem to bother him, he took command, and he moved the offense.

If Pyne beat out Buchner I think ND will be OK, it would be more of the fanbase that would complain.

As mentioned above of Buchner were to lose the QB competition and enter the portal we might as well call him Phil Jurkovec 2.0

To me Buchner did nothing to impress me last season.

Bring on the QB competition!

 

[Dale]

Just want to point out that TB threw 3 picks in only 36 attempts last year. Even for a first year starter that is awfully high and speaks somewhat to his decision making, accuracy or both. He made some plays with his legs, but unless he makes huge strides, we are not going to be a team that can afford to have a QB complete less than 60% of his passes and throw 15+ picks this year. I think the potential is there for him to develop into a pretty nasty dual threat QB, but I think some are getting a little ahead of themselves anointing him already. He’s going to have to prove it.

The sample size is too small to extrapolate that to 15+ picks, especially when they were against a Top 10 D and Top 50 D on the road. If we’re going off tiny sample sizes, Pyne is going to complete less than 60% of his passes as well, and won’t have the benefit of TBs wheels.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I genuinely don’t remember, but we’re people hoping or thinking Rees would be the starter in ‘12 over EG?
It’s by no means a perfect comparison to make between TB and Pyne in ‘22 with the ‘12 situation, but good grief, the same writing is on the wall. EG never quite became what we all hoped he would, but it was plain as day that ND needed to make the switch to EG to take the next step.
Pyne may be able to get ND to perennial 10-2 territory. TB may be able to get ND to the playoffs and have a chance once there.

Unless TB is awful and is the reincarnation of Andrew Hendrix, it’s a complete no-brainer to go with him over Pyne.
Anybody pining for Pyne is probably a blue hair telling people to sit down at games.

TB could also be the QB to lead ND to a 7-5 season if he cant beat teams with his arm and turns the ball over 15+ times. I think we all WANT want you are saying to happen, but the conviction with which you say it is a no brainer and anybody wanting Pyne is tellling people to sit down at games reminds me of my teenager when he is trying to rationalize and justify why that trip overseas alone with his friends is going to be life changing growth opportunity that is going to make him do better in school and change all of his problems in Life.

I trust the coaches to put the best player to put the team in position to win games under center. I think people’s issue with Bk is he stubbornly refused at times when it was obvious to anybody with a pulse that there was a better option. Buchner has not to this point done anything to merit not even having a legit competition and may the best man win. I dont understand how that means I dont WANT him to succeed or be the QB we hope he becomes.

 

[irishog77]

TB could also be the QB to lead ND to a 7-5 season if he cant beat teams with his arm and turns the ball over 15+ times. I think we all WANT want you are saying to happen, but the conviction with which you say it is a no brainer and anybody wanting Pyne is tellling people to sit down at games reminds me of my teenager when he is trying to rationalize and justify why that trip overseas alone with his friends is going to be life changing growth opportunity that is going to make him do better in school and change all of his problems in Life.

I trust the coaches to put the best player to put the team in position to win games under center. I think people’s issue with Bk is he stubbornly refused at times when it was obvious to anybody with a pulse that there was a better option. Buchner has not to this point done anything to merit not even having a legit competition and may the best man win. I dont understand how that means I dont WANT him to succeed or be the QB we hope he becomes.

If TB is a turnover machine and can’t complete passes, then yes, ND won’t be very good.

He also may look like Andrew Hendrix, and again, not be the starting QB.

Otherwise, he will be the starting QB.

 

[Irish4life]

I know exactly what I want. If Buchner takes the steps we hope he will, he has a chance to win the starting job and be explosive. That was never part of my concern or debate. My comment was more that people are anointing him and saying they will be pissed if he doesnt start, and I just said thats premature. Based on his current body of work, he NEEDS to make big strides to be the starting QB the team needs him to be. Can he do it? Yes, absolutely, but as of yet he hasnt done that and hasnt EARNED more than the opportunity to compete for the job. Is that not fair?

I mean they played him in 10 games last year for a reason. They burnt his redshirt for a reason. It'd take Drew Pyne making MASSIVE improvements and Buchner making no progress at all for it to not be Buchner. Just pretty wild to me how quickly some of yall on here turn on a QB lol. Buchner has 1 hole in his game, passing on 3rd down. When he improves that, and I'm confident that he will, he's gonna be a stud.

 

[Luckylucci]

I don’t think anybody is saying that Buchner can’t lose the job if he doesn’t practice or play well. What people are saying is it’s his job to lose. And, that feels pretty obvious to me.

 

[stlnd01]

I don’t think anybody is saying that Buchner can’t lose the job if he doesn’t practice or play well. What people are saying is it’s his job to lose. And, that feels pretty obvious to me.

Exactly. If Pyne starts against Ohio State it's because Buchner did not develop as we have all hoped. The people who seem to be pining for Pyne, I do not get.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

I mean they played him in 10 games last year for a reason. They burnt his redshirt for a reason. It'd take Drew Pyne making MASSIVE improvements and Buchner making no progress at all for it to not be Buchner. Just pretty wild to me how quickly some of yall on here turn on a QB lol. Buchner has 1 hole in his game, passing on 3rd down. When he improves that, and I'm confident that he will, he's gonna be a stud.

I havent turned on anybody. His

I don’t think anybody is saying that Buchner can’t lose the job if he doesn’t practice or play well. What people are saying is it’s his job to lose. And, that feels pretty obvious to me.

100% agree with this. I guess my angst is just with people acting like he has already done it and they’ll be pissed is he doesnt start.

 

[Dale]

The absolute ceiling Drew Pyne could give us we saw last year. It’s Cade McNamara. McNamara was extremely poised and accurate in short/intermediate throws last year. But as we’ve seen and they saw, that only goes so far. No one is giving Buchner the job based off already doing it, but at the same time, I don’t think anyone is interested in watching the same movie again. So heck yes I’d be pissed if Pyne is the starter. It is zero intentional slight on him, but if Drew Pyne is the starter, this team will not reach its ultimate goal.

It could fall ass flat with Buchner, but the ultimate goal would at least have life under him.

 

[Luckylucci]

Quality interview with Pyne. Gotta love this young man.

For Love of the Game and Notre Dame

Drew Pyne sparked the Notre Dame offense against Wisconsin when Jack Coan went down with an injury. He turned a 17-point deficit at home against Cincinnati into a one-score game. Now he’s truly competing for a starting spot with sophomore Tyler Buchner.

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[Te'o4Heisman]

Quality interview with Pyne. Gotta love this young man.

For Love of the Game and Notre Dame

Drew Pyne sparked the Notre Dame offense against Wisconsin when Jack Coan went down with an injury. He turned a 17-point deficit at home against Cincinnati into a one-score game. Now he’s truly competing for a starting spot with sophomore Tyler Buchner.

247sports.com

Only if you’re one of the blue hairs over the age of 70 and rooting against Buchner.

In all seriousness, this is a quality individual and great leader and example for this team.

 

[Luckylucci]

I think you can do both of root like crazy for Buchner to reach his potential and win a Heisman/NC at ND. While also appreciating the person, teammate, and competitor that is Drew Pyne.

I also think Drew will get his chances to make a mark on the team, on the field, even if it’s not as starting QB.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

I think you can do both of root like crazy for Buchner to reach his potential and win a Heisman/NC at ND. While also appreciating the person, teammate, and competitor that is Drew Pyne.

I also think Drew will get his chances to make a mark on the team, on the field, even if it’s not as starting QB.

Drew Pyne moving to EDGE, confirmed?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I think you can do both of root like crazy for Buchner to reach his potential and win a Heisman/NC at ND. While also appreciating the person, teammate, and competitor that is Drew Pyne.

I also think Drew will get his chances to make a mark on the team, on the field, even if it’s not as starting QB.

I agree with this. I root for Drew while I root for Buchner.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Drew Pyne winds up, throws to #21 ... The other #21 takes it for 6...

 

[GATTACA!]

We’re fucked lol

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

We’re fucked lol

Weather report for tomorrow: Clear (falling) sky

 

[IrishLion]

Just absolutely locked in on his first read the whole way lol.

Also great that Mickey recognizes that and jumps the route. Got a good one there.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Just absolutely locked in on his first read the whole way lol.

Also great that Mickey recognizes that and jumps the route. Got a good one there.

So this is one of the practice bloopers we've heard so much about...

 

[Riddickulous]

Just absolutely locked in on his first read the whole way lol.

Also great that Mickey recognizes that and jumps the route. Got a good one there.

Sampson says he's been one of spring's "biggest head turners".

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Been reported that Pyne has thrown a ton of INTs throughout spring camp.

It also got reported last year that Pyne can't read defenses well.

That video clip shouldn't suprise anyone. This isn't a QB battle. It's Buchner 100% and Pyne is gonna be a backup.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Been reported that Pyne has thrown a ton of INTs throughout spring camp.

It also got reported last year that Pyne can't read defenses well.

That video clip shouldn't suprise anyone. This isn't a QB battle. It's Buchner 100% and Pyne is gonna be a backup.

shhhhh. You're going to piss off @ulukinatme!!!

 

[NDdomer2]

Just absolutely locked in on his first read the whole way lol.

Also great that Mickey recognizes that and jumps the route. Got a good one there.

Go watch that wiscy game everyone likes to tout for Pyne. He's locked in throwing floaters regularly.

 

[T-Boone]

Sampson says he's been one of spring's "biggest head turners".

I just watched The Exorcist so this is freaking me out.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Go watch that wiscy game everyone likes to tout for Pyne. He's locked in throwing floaters regularly.

"Pyne as overlooked 3-star who breaks out and proves his doubters wrong" is a very romantic headline, especially after Rees and Book, but the coaching staff isn't choosing starters based on high school recruit rankings. They know exactly what Drew brings to the table, both good and bad, and their refusal to put him in at several key points last season told me all I need to know.

 

[NDdomer2]

"Pyne as overlooked 3-star who breaks out and proves his doubters wrong" is a very romantic headline, especially after Rees and Book, but the coaching staff isn't choosing starters based on high school recruit rankings. They know exactly what Drew brings to the table, both good and bad, and their refusal to put him in at several key points last season told me all I need to know.

I go back to how much complaining there was about book and coan, then knowing Pyne isn't as good, and just cannot understand why anyone wants him to be the starter.

 

[AKRowdy]

Look at all the media and player support ND has put out. Writing is on the wall TB12 is our guy.

 

[BobbyMac]

I'm all for starting Buchner if he can beat out Hank Bachmeier. If not, I doubt TB12 will be able to hold off Brady Allen in 2023 after Hank gets drafted.

- From the Irish Envy 2022 QB Competition thread if NDCrusader had been ND's QB Coach.