'18 PA QB Phil Jurkovec (Wherever I May Roam Chud)

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The only thing that makes you go hmmm on PJ is that he only got the 6 plays at the Army AA game.

Whether it was politics, struggles in practice, throwing motion...or whatever, the fact remains the coaches wouldn't play him.

This doesn't really bother me too much.

From his own description, it sounds like he just wasn't there on timing with his super-fast WRs. The kids that play at the major schools in the South and California definitely have an advantage walking in the door there, but that disappears in about a week.
 

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I'm sorry that my liking Phil made everyone fight.

Soill, I'm sorry I have a differing opinion than you amd you think it is dumb. I still like Phil better.

that's fine man. That's the purpose of message boards. All I asked was a why? Why do you like Phil more than those 2 5*s. "I like him because hes going to ND" isn't exactly what I am looking for.

So lets try this again, Why do you like Phil more thn Lawrence or Fields?
 

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that's fine man. That's the purpose of message boards. All I asked was a why? Why do you like Phil more than those 2 5*s. "I like him because hes going to ND" isn't exactly what I am looking for.

So lets try this again, Why do you like Phil more thn Lawrence or Fields?

Obviously I'm not who this question is for but...

Let me start out by stating I haven't seen Lawrence or Fields play yet. No film, nothing. However, I have watched extensive tape on Phil, both on Hudl, and live games on TV. I really enjoy the fact that Phil wants to throw the ball, despite being able to run. He extends plays while keeping eyes downfield. He isn't afraid to take a shot in the pocket, will stand tall and deliver a strike with pressure in his face. Phil is 6'5, can see over linemen, yet isn't a statue. He is sneaky fast, you can see that when watching him in full sprint. His strides are so long, and he just finds separation.

I actually like his throwing motion, it's quick. I have always been a fan of quick motions. He doesn't let his arm get long, the ball gets up to his ear, and he snaps his arm forward with zip. There is no wind up/hitch that takes long. Somehow, that is being allowed more and more these days with kids playing QB, and recruiting analysts call them "strong armed" with "a good wind up." Phil is a gamer. It's evident by his football film, it's evident by his basketball skills as well. He wants to work hard and play hard. I think that will garner respect in the locker room, which can't be taken lightly.
 

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Not to mention a battle of grammar and sentence structure futility. My head now hurts.

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My god you guys have been b!tching at each other for an entire day. Times to move on from the subject. Mods, please move all the crying to the “People B!tching for No Reason” thread.
 

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Love the optimism for PJ but maybe some need to pump the brakes a little. Poor guy hasn't even taken a snap in college and he is the 2020 Heisman winner and two time Offensive MVP in the CFB playoffs. Geez.

For the record... I hope every QB in this class of recruits are highly successful for their respective teams. Who is the best? That's what the field is for.

This isn't helping. It's not that Phil is the best QB in this class, I never said that, not sure anyone else did either. If I was at Georgia, I'd want Lawrence, if I was at SC, I'd want Daniels but for ND, I feel Phil is the best player (not just QB) in this class. Because... look below.

that's fine man. That's the purpose of message boards. All I asked was a why? Why do you like Phil more than those 2 5*s. "I like him because hes going to ND" isn't exactly what I am looking for.

So lets try this again, Why do you like Phil more thn Lawrence or Fields?

Skillset, Fit, Profile, Production = Best for ND.
 

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Love the optimism for PJ but maybe some need to pump the brakes a little. Poor guy hasn't even taken a snap in college and he is the 2020 Heisman winner and two time Offensive MVP in the CFB playoffs. Geez.

For the record... I hope every QB in this class of recruits are highly successful for their respective teams. Who is the best? That's what the field is for.

No one said anything like that in the recent discussion.

Crusader talked him up as the best combination for ND in terms of talent and fit, and Crazy Balki gave an impassioned argument as to why it's not crazy to consider Phil on the same level as the other top QB's.

No one has declared him the messiah. I think we all learned that lesson with Blake Barnett. Most of us realize it's going to take some time and some improbable program stability for Jurkovec to reach the heights we hope for.
 

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that's fine man. That's the purpose of message boards. All I asked was a why? Why do you like Phil more than those 2 5*s. "I like him because hes going to ND" isn't exactly what I am looking for.

So lets try this again, Why do you like Phil more thn Lawrence or Fields?

I like his capacity to run. His size..i like that he is winner. I like the crazy stats he put up in a good leage and I like his fit in a run/pass option offense. He sems like a gamer too.
 

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You do realize people who get PAID for a living to do this kind of stuff have established Lawrence as a better QB. Some like 247 think there is a 120 player gap between Phil and Lawrence.

The recruiting sites have been wildly inaccurate at rating QBs for a good while now, if you look at rankings compared to college production.


Going back to 2010 based off 247 composite ratings:

2010 - none of the top 5 qbs ever threw for 3,000 in a season or were drafted

2011- 5/10 never started at qb, the top 2 had to transfer or change positions to get playing time

2012 - Jameis Winston is a great pick at #1, every other top 10 qb either never played, lost their job, or had to transfer to start. Only Chad Kelly turned into a good qb, other than Jameis. The top 25 quarterbacks is pretty embarassing.

2013 - 8 out of the top 10 amount to nothing. #2 Hackenberg had a pretty mediocre career, despite the talent.

2014- 7/10 amount to nothing and/or lose starting jobs. 1 (Will Grier) has to transfer to become a starter. Deshaun Watson at #2 is a great call. Brad Kaaya at #10 also a good call.

2015 - Drew Lock (10) & Josh Rosen (1) are studs. Stidham seems good, although he transferred from Baylor. Jake Browning has been good too. Wimbush and Francois - jury is still out. So anywhere from 4/10 - 6/10 are misses. Probably the recruiting site's best year at predicting qbs

2016 - Jury is still out on all of the top 10 - none of them have put together an impressive season yet.

2017 - too early to judge. Fromm, Tua, and Ehlinger look promising.

Point being, just because these guys get paid to rank high school quarterbacks, doesn't mean they're good at it.
 

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The recruiting sites have been wildly inaccurate at rating QBs for a good while now, if you look at rankings compared to college production.


Going back to 2010 based off 247 composite ratings:

2010 - none of the top 5 qbs ever threw for 3,000 in a season or were drafted

2011- 5/10 never started at qb, the top 2 had to transfer or change positions to get playing time

2012 - Jameis Winston is a great pick at #1, every other top 10 qb either never played, lost their job, or had to transfer to start. Only Chad Kelly turned into a good qb, other than Jameis. The top 25 quarterbacks is pretty embarassing.

2013 - 8 out of the top 10 amount to nothing. #2 Hackenberg had a pretty mediocre career, despite the talent.

2014- 7/10 amount to nothing and/or lose starting jobs. 1 (Will Grier) has to transfer to become a starter. Deshaun Watson at #2 is a great call. Brad Kaaya at #10 also a good call.

2015 - Drew Lock (10) & Josh Rosen (1) are studs. Stidham seems good, although he transferred from Baylor. Jake Browning has been good too. Wimbush and Francois - jury is still out. So anywhere from 4/10 - 6/10 are misses. Probably the recruiting site's best year at predicting qbs

2016 - Jury is still out on all of the top 10 - none of them have put together an impressive season yet.

2017 - too early to judge. Fromm, Tua, and Ehlinger look promising.

Point being, just because these guys get paid to rank high school quarterbacks, doesn't mean they're good at it.

Good post...thanks for putting the work in. Kind of eye-opening.
 

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Lucci is by far my least favorite poster on this board.

Yikes...Lucky is by far one of my favorites. BTW, Phil is going to be great (perfect) for this offense...IMO. Sometimes the highly rated QBs coming out of HS get put into the wrong system for their skillset.
 

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Lucci is by far my least favorite poster on this board.
Then you should pay better attention lol. Lucky has lots of good ish to add more times than not. I think someone just pissed in his Cheerios last night. Happens to the best of us.

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Serious question, maybe best for Crusader -- what about PJ's game has you more optimistic for him than Wimbush coming out of high school? From a production and competition perspective, I think they had similar enough seasons. Why so much higher on PJ?

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Then you should pay better attention lol. Lucky has lots of good ish to add more times than not. I think someone just pissed in his Cheerios last night. Happens to the best of us.

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There is plenty of folks on here that bring good/the same ish...that's what makes this particular board so great. It is not the first time his cheerios tasted like piss.
 
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The recruiting sites have been wildly inaccurate at rating QBs for a good while now, if you look at rankings compared to college production.


Going back to 2010 based off 247 composite ratings:

2010 - none of the top 5 qbs ever threw for 3,000 in a season or were drafted

2011- 5/10 never started at qb, the top 2 had to transfer or change positions to get playing time

2012 - Jameis Winston is a great pick at #1, every other top 10 qb either never played, lost their job, or had to transfer to start. Only Chad Kelly turned into a good qb, other than Jameis. The top 25 quarterbacks is pretty embarassing.

2013 - 8 out of the top 10 amount to nothing. #2 Hackenberg had a pretty mediocre career, despite the talent.

2014- 7/10 amount to nothing and/or lose starting jobs. 1 (Will Grier) has to transfer to become a starter. Deshaun Watson at #2 is a great call. Brad Kaaya at #10 also a good call.

2015 - Drew Lock (10) & Josh Rosen (1) are studs. Stidham seems good, although he transferred from Baylor. Jake Browning has been good too. Wimbush and Francois - jury is still out. So anywhere from 4/10 - 6/10 are misses. Probably the recruiting site's best year at predicting qbs

2016 - Jury is still out on all of the top 10 - none of them have put together an impressive season yet.

2017 - too early to judge. Fromm, Tua, and Ehlinger look promising.

Point being, just because these guys get paid to rank high school quarterbacks, doesn't mean they're good at it.

This post is brilliant.

The end point:

How about we let it all play out in college before we start branding any of these dudes as more spectacular than the other?

What it seems like everyone agrees to:
Phil is all Irish. The rest of those QBs aren't.

This is good.
 

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This post is brilliant.

The end point:

How about we let it all play out in college before we start branding any of these dudes as more spectacular than the other?

What it seems like everyone agrees to:
Phil is all Irish. The rest of those QBs aren't.

This is good.

Agreed, post of the year material. Nice work General CB. That really says what we all need to know.
 

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The recruiting sites have been wildly inaccurate at rating QBs for a good while now, if you look at rankings compared to college production.


Going back to 2010 based off 247 composite ratings:

2010 - none of the top 5 qbs ever threw for 3,000 in a season or were drafted

2011- 5/10 never started at qb, the top 2 had to transfer or change positions to get playing time

2012 - Jameis Winston is a great pick at #1, every other top 10 qb either never played, lost their job, or had to transfer to start. Only Chad Kelly turned into a good qb, other than Jameis. The top 25 quarterbacks is pretty embarassing.

2013 - 8 out of the top 10 amount to nothing. #2 Hackenberg had a pretty mediocre career, despite the talent.

2014- 7/10 amount to nothing and/or lose starting jobs. 1 (Will Grier) has to transfer to become a starter. Deshaun Watson at #2 is a great call. Brad Kaaya at #10 also a good call.

2015 - Drew Lock (10) & Josh Rosen (1) are studs. Stidham seems good, although he transferred from Baylor. Jake Browning has been good too. Wimbush and Francois - jury is still out. So anywhere from 4/10 - 6/10 are misses. Probably the recruiting site's best year at predicting qbs

2016 - Jury is still out on all of the top 10 - none of them have put together an impressive season yet.

2017 - too early to judge. Fromm, Tua, and Ehlinger look promising.

Point being, just because these guys get paid to rank high school quarterbacks, doesn't mean they're good at it.

Very impressive.

I'll just put this out, I'm not saying that you can't prefer Fields/Lawrence to Phil. Because by all accounts those two are stellar QB's and have a very legitimate argument that they deserve their spots as the top QB's in the class.

What I am saying is that the fact that 247 has Jurkovec ranked outside of the top 100, despite having IMO superior film to either of those two top ranked QB's is a lethal shot to 247's credibility in these rankings. And as our lower digestive field grade officer had graciously researched, their track record doesn't help their case.

Jurkovec is every bit of 5-star as I think he is (as do several experts that follow him more closely than 247 appears to) and this doesn't just factor in "fit", which I do agree, he is a seemingly perfect fit at ND, but as a stand-alone QB prospect, I do think he is in Lawrence/Fields' league.
 

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Very impressive.

I'll just put this out, I'm not saying that you can't prefer Fields/Lawrence to Phil. Because by all accounts those two are stellar QB's and have a very legitimate argument that they deserve their spots as the top QB's in the class.

What I am saying is that the fact that 247 has Jurkovec ranked outside of the top 100, despite having IMO superior film to either of those two top ranked QB's is a lethal shot to 247's credibility in these rankings. And as our lower digestive field grade officer had graciously researched, their track record doesn't help their case.

Jurkovec is every bit of 5-star as I think he is (as do several experts that follow him more closely than 247 appears to) and this doesn't just factor in "fit", which I do agree, he is a seemingly perfect fit at ND, but as a stand-alone QB prospect, I do think he is in Lawrence/Fields' league.


Did you watch the film of Fields or Lawrence? Did you YouTube them or what? Fields is more elusive then Phil and faster. More creative

Lawrence has a better arm and looks like a QB who's been in colllege for three years. 247 has had plenty of time to evaluate Phil and he struggled and sure he had an awesome senior year but they take these army bowl serious because it shows how you stack up with the best of the best. Like he did at the 5 star challenge he's just a guy right now with a ton of upside. I realize he had a bonkers senior year and his highlight film was awesome to see for the future but he's not a 5* right now. But he absolutely has 5* potential. Plus I know everyone loves the elite 11 and he didn't get invited. And yes maybe he never went and competed for that spot because he doesn't care but some of those guys get invited just on film alone. Phil took a MAJOR step forward his junior to senior year and I'm excited to see the strides he will continue to make
 

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Did you watch the film of Fields or Lawrence? Did you YouTube them or what? Fields is more elusive then Phil and faster. More creative

Lawrence has a better arm and looks like a QB who's been in colllege for three years. 247 has had plenty of time to evaluate Phil and he struggled and sure he had an awesome senior year but they take these army bowl serious because it shows how you stack up with the best of the best. Like he did at the 5 star challenge he's just a guy right now with a ton of upside. I realize he had a bonkers senior year and his highlight film was awesome to see for the future but he's not a 5* right now. But he absolutely has 5* potential. Plus I know everyone loves the elite 11 and he didn't get invited. And yes maybe he never went and competed for that spot because he doesn't care but some of those guys get invited just on film alone. Phil took a MAJOR step forward his junior to senior year and I'm excited to see the strides he will continue to make

Sorry but no.

A few days worth of practice with players you've never practiced or played with is not a quality indicator of how your talents will translate at the next level. In fact, it's one of the worst ways, and it's been often criticized by experts outside of the camp circuit. You are one of several QB's and the reps are severely limited. Obviously 247/Scout/Rivals guys aren't going to bad mouth their own camps, because they rely on those to help their site traffic and earn revenue.

Camps are a very VERY distant second to legitimate live game film, especially if you're like Jurkovec and you play against top quality competition. Fields plays in the 2nd highest class in Georgia, so the comp is definitely impressive, but Jurkovec plays in competition very comparable, if not superior in the highest class of PA. Lawrence plays in a lower class, and while certainly not bad, it's a step down compared to the comp Fields and Jurkovec play.

As for the film, yes I have seen all three, and I stand by my original statement that Jurkovec's is the superior film to the three. He isn't the polished mechanical master that Lawrence is as of yet, but unlike what you've stated, he's definitely on par with Fields in terms of athleticism. The film shows that. He also sees the field extremely well and shot puts the ball with quality precision. He also has total command of the system he plays in. He's a winner. Neither Lawrence or Fields were able to win state unlike Jurkovec.

There's a reason why the boys at ISD have PJ as a 5-star, and I sure as hell take their word over 247, who don't even have PJ ranked in the top 100, which is utterly ludicrous. Simply put, ISD from an unbiased perspective does their due diligence and their analysis is among the best in the biz.

Once again, Jurkovec is a 5-star level player and the film solidifies that claim. 247 used his Junior season injuries and the camp circuit as justification to devalue his immaculate senior film. At the end of the day, they can say what they want. As Col. posted, their track record on the evaluation of the QB position in the recent years makes it difficult to take their opinion as gospel.
 
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Sorry but no.

A few days worth of practice with players you've never practiced or played with is not a quality indicator of how your talents will translate at the next level. In fact, it's one of the worst ways, and it's been often criticized by experts outside of the camp circuit. You are one of several QB's and the reps are severely limited. Obviously 247/Scout/Rivals guys aren't going to bad mouth their own camps, because they rely on those to help their site traffic and earn revenue.

Camps are a very VERY distant second to legitimate live game film, especially if you're like Jurkovec and you play against top quality competition. Fields plays in the 2nd highest class in Georgia, so the comp is definitely impressive, but Jurkovec plays in competition very comparable, if not superior in the highest class of PA. Lawrence plays in a lower class, and while certainly not bad, it's a step down compared to the comp Fields and Jurkovec play.

As for the film, yes I have seen all three, and I stand by my original statement that Jurkovec's is the superior film to the three. He isn't the polished mechanical master that Lawrence is as of yet, but unlike what you've stated, he's definitely on par with Fields in terms of athleticism. The film shows that. He also sees the field extremely well and shot puts the ball with quality precision. He also has total command of the system he plays in. He's a winner. Neither Lawrence or Fields were able to win state unlike Jurkovec.

There's a reason why the boys at ISD have PJ as a 5-star, and I sure as hell take their word over 247, who don't even have PJ ranked in the top 100, which is utterly ludicrous. Simply put, ISD from an unbiased perspective does their due diligence and their analysis is among the best in the biz.

Once again, Jurkovec is a 5-star level player and the film solidifies that claim. 247 used his Junior season injuries and the camp circuit as justification to devalue his immaculate senior film. At the end of the day, they can say what they want. As Col. posted, their track record on the evaluation of the QB position in the recent years makes it difficult to take their opinion as gospel.


Sorry but no. I have to take a step back and remember who I'm talking too. You have your opinion I have mine, NDsean45. I never said I take the fucking army bowl practices seriously I said 247 does. Make a YouTube video about this. There's a reason Cam Mcgrone is a 5* on 247 and rarely in the 250 on rivals. One site believes that and another believes that. Cool man, one fucking site has jurkovec a 5* it's a site based on ND football and your YouTube channel. And to "my gospel" he listed rivals qbs evals not 247(which you are arguing)


Also none of them are winners!?!!! Lawrence won 2 state titles in a row and it might have been three this year son. Do you enjoy making shit up to make yourself sound good. Which leads me back to my point of you haven't watched shit. At least fucking look something up before you make yourself sound stupid
 
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Sorry but no.

A few days worth of practice with players you've never practiced or played with is not a quality indicator of how your talents will translate at the next level. In fact, it's one of the worst ways, and it's been often criticized by experts outside of the camp circuit. You are one of several QB's and the reps are severely limited. Obviously 247/Scout/Rivals guys aren't going to bad mouth their own camps, because they rely on those to help their site traffic and earn revenue.

Camps are a very VERY distant second to legitimate live game film, especially if you're like Jurkovec and you play against top quality competition. Fields plays in the 2nd highest class in Georgia, so the comp is definitely impressive, but Jurkovec plays in competition very comparable, if not superior in the highest class of PA. Lawrence plays in a lower class, and while certainly not bad, it's a step down compared to the comp Fields and Jurkovec play.

As for the film, yes I have seen all three, and I stand by my original statement that Jurkovec's is the superior film to the three. He isn't the polished mechanical master that Lawrence is as of yet, but unlike what you've stated, he's definitely on par with Fields in terms of athleticism. The film shows that. He also sees the field extremely well and shot puts the ball with quality precision. He also has total command of the system he plays in. He's a winner. Neither Lawrence or Fields were able to win state unlike Jurkovec.

There's a reason why the boys at ISD have PJ as a 5-star, and I sure as hell take their word over 247, who don't even have PJ ranked in the top 100, which is utterly ludicrous. Simply put, ISD from an unbiased perspective does their due diligence and their analysis is among the best in the biz.

Once again, Jurkovec is a 5-star level player and the film solidifies that claim. 247 used his Junior season injuries and the camp circuit as justification to devalue his immaculate senior film. At the end of the day, they can say what they want. As Col. posted, their track record on the evaluation of the QB position in the recent years makes it difficult to take their opinion as gospel.

So let me understand...you don't agree with 247 ranking PJ outside the Top 100?
 

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