'18 PA QB Phil Jurkovec (Wherever I May Roam Chud)

[arrowryan]

Start him next year and deal with the growing pains. The chances that he could do worse than what Wimbush did this season are slim to none.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

Start him next year and deal with the growing pains. The chances that he could do worse than what Wimbush did this season are slim to none.

I kind of agree

 

[NDty9]

Start him next year and deal with the growing pains. The chances that he could do worse than what Wimbush did this season are slim to none.

I love the potential of Phil too, but I think some are overlooking how great of a “player” BW is.

Of course he had some games where his throwing was putrid, and it probably cost us the game, but he had more games where his running ability was PHENOMENAL and surely gave us wins. Remember, if you put a QB in who’s not only going through growing pains as a thrower, BUT also isn’t the runner that Wimbush is, that’s going to affect our entire running game, in a bad way! (I understand Phil is a good runner as well, but to the extent of BW?, not so sure)

I remember being blown awayyy by BW’s higschool film as well. How come we are willing to deal with Phil’s growing pains, but not BW’s?? I mean he’s only had what, 11 starts?

Again, I am insanely excited for the future with Phil...... but I just dont think rushing into his career helps more than trying to let our coaches do what they should be able to do, improve our existing qb

 

[arrowryan]

I love the potential of Phil too, but I think some are overlooking how great of a “player” BW is.

Of course he had some games where his throwing was putrid, and it probably cost us the game, but he had more games where his running ability was PHENOMENAL and surely gave us wins. Remember, if you put a QB in who’s not only going through growing pains as a thrower, BUT also isn’t the runner that Wimbush is, that’s going to affect our entire running game, in a bad way! (I understand Phil is a good runner as well, but to the extent of BW?, not so sure)

I remember being blown awayyy by BW’s higschool film as well. How come we are willing to deal with Phil’s growing pains, but not BW’s?? I mean he’s only had what, 11 starts?

Again, I am insanely excited for the future with Phil...... but I just dont think rushing into his career helps more than trying to let our coaches do what they should be able to do, improve our existing qb

This is exactly what I don't want from our QB. He shouldn't have to rely solely on his legs to get the job done; at that point, you pretty much have a running back playing QB. BW is concerning because he is in his 3rd year at Notre Dame and his fundamentals/footwork is still trash, borderline pathetic, and something you'd see from a high school QB or true frosh. Not from someone who is almost 21. If he failed to improve his technique and fundamentals in his first 3 seasons, why would we think that he's all of a sudden turn the corner? I hope it happens, but I think its unlikely. At Notre Dame, we shouldn't have to say "oh man, I sure our 3rd year QB can throw a 7 yard slant and not throw the ball so high that our 6'5" receiver can't catch it today"; stuff like that should be automatic and should be able to be done in his sleep.

I'm #TeamPhil because I think, at the very minimum, he'll be able to match BW's 2017 production. There's a 99% chance that he's a better thrower and he doesn't need to run a 4.5 to be successful in the offense. He's not as fast as BW, but I'd say his speed is equivalent to Kizer and Kizer did just fine in the run game. Phil probably won't be any worse than BW at reading defenses either. At this point, I just think there is more good than bad if they went Phil>BW.

It is kinda sad. We won 9 games with a QB who couldn't hit the ocean if he was standing on the beach. We probably would've won 11-12 games with a QB who was half decent at throwing the ball.

 

[NDty9]

This is exactly what I don't want from our QB. He shouldn't have to rely solely on his legs to get the job done; at that point, you pretty much have a running back playing QB. BW is concerning because he is in his 3rd year at Notre Dame and his fundamentals/footwork is still trash, borderline pathetic, and something you'd see from a high school QB or true frosh. Not from someone who is almost 21. If he failed to improve his technique and fundamentals in his first 3 seasons, why would we think that he's all of a sudden turn the corner? I hope it happens, but I think its unlikely. At Notre Dame, we shouldn't have to say "oh man, I sure our 3rd year QB can throw a 7 yard slant and not throw the ball so high that our 6'5" receiver can't catch it today"; stuff like that should be automatic and should be able to be done in his sleep.

I'm #TeamPhil because I think, at the very minimum, he'll be able to match BW's 2017 production. There's a 99% chance that he's a better thrower and he doesn't need to run a 4.5 to be successful in the offense. He's not as fast as BW, but I'd say his speed is equivalent to Kizer and Kizer did just fine in the run game. Phil probably won't be any worse than BW at reading defenses either. At this point, I just think there is more good than bad if they went Phil>BW.


It is kinda sad. We won 9 games with a QB who couldn't hit the ocean if he was standing on the beach. We probably would've won 11-12 games with a QB who was half decent at throwing the ball.

I 100% agree gat we can not go on with a Qb that is solely a runner . Would NEVER want that. I just feel like there has to be a way for our staff to improve his damn throwing. However , as you said... he’s been in the program for three years now (regardless of starts), that is very depressing to think about.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I agree with starting phil next year, when wimbush couldn't even hit a wide open receiver 5-15 yards out that is a problem majority of the time he threw the ball 5 yards in the dirt in front of the guy. What do you think is gonna change next year? He had all the time in the world with our OL to sit in the pocket and pick teams apart, he won't have as much time next year and it will be a growing year for our OL. Also wimbush didn't make the right read 60% of the time. When you watch phils tape he is hitting guys on the money with 50+ yard throws

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Anybody else remember spring and summer practice when all anybody could talk about wS wim ush's accuracy and ball placement? Kid has the talent, it just did not translate into games this year. I feel like part of that was the game justmoved too fast for him this year. I really believe an offseason of contjnued work and film study can help him learn from his mistakes and alow things down for him. I think it would be fair to attribute at least part of his poor delivery to just not being comfortable and getting his body in sync and in the right time/place to make the throws due to his indecision and identifying opportunities a split second slow. I think Phil will be a great ine at ND, but think he would be better suited redshirting, working on kmproving his strength and putting on good weight, and learning te nuances of college football for a year or two before being thrown in the fire. Lets exhibit some patience and see what kind of progress BW makes this year with a year of experience to draw from in his learning.

 

[Fbolt]

Yes.

I have felt cheated as I believed we were sold a bill of goods that did not ever appear. Hopefully with these extra practices he'll produce tomorrow. A year of playing and coaching should render some improvement. Not a fan of believing a freshman is going to be the answer. Irrational IMO.

 

[snoopdog]

Anybody else remember spring and summer practice when all anybody could talk about wS wim ush's accuracy and ball placement? Kid has the talent, it just did not translate into games this year. I feel like part of that was the game justmoved too fast for him this year. I really believe an offseason of contjnued work and film study can help him learn from his mistakes and alow things down for him. I think it would be fair to attribute at least part of his poor delivery to just not being comfortable and getting his body in sync and in the right time/place to make the throws due to his indecision and identifying opportunities a split second slow. I think Phil will be a great ine at ND, but think he would be better suited redshirting, working on kmproving his strength and putting on good weight, and learning te nuances of college football for a year or two before being thrown in the fire. Lets exhibit some patience and see what kind of progress BW makes this year with a year of experience to draw from in his learning.

Actually no. What I remember coming away from the Blue Gold game was jaysus BW has accuracy issues whereas Book looked solid in comparison.

But excuses were made, which seemed reasonable at the time, and everyone expected BW to improve over time. Well unfortunately he regressed over time.

And when you consider defences stacked the box and gave him the best opportunity possible to make completions, his passing regressed even worse. Troubling to say the least.

 

[fightingirish26]

Anybody else remember spring and summer practice when all anybody could talk about wS wim ush's accuracy and ball placement? Kid has the talent, it just did not translate into games this year. I feel like part of that was the game justmoved too fast for him this year. I really believe an offseason of contjnued work and film study can help him learn from his mistakes and alow things down for him. I think it would be fair to attribute at least part of his poor delivery to just not being comfortable and getting his body in sync and in the right time/place to make the throws due to his indecision and identifying opportunities a split second slow. I think Phil will be a great ine at ND, but think he would be better suited redshirting, working on kmproving his strength and putting on good weight, and learning te nuances of college football for a year or two before being thrown in the fire. Lets exhibit some patience and see what kind of progress BW makes this year with a year of experience to draw from in his learning.

I actually do not recall anybody talking up his accuracy. Everybody knew he had a big arm, but mostly everybody was in wait and see mode in terms of his touch. Well, we waited and we saw that his accuracy is ass. I agree with arrowryan, he's been at ND for 3 years now and his mechanics are just awful. I don't see any reason to think it will get any better, especially with a QB coach as inexperienced and unproven as Rees. He's a fantastic athlete who we need on the field and we should treat him like OSU treated Braxton Miller. Let Book and Phil battle it out in the fall.

 

[BobbyMac]

The answer seems simple to me. Treat the QB position (and a few others) how MLB treats their rosters when they are out of the playoff race. Meaning... It's Wimbush's team until his second loss. As soon as he has led the team out of playoffs, the Five Star Phil era begins.

Any way I look at it, it's Wimbush's last season. If he plays to his potential and has a Lamar Jackson-ish year, he goes to the League. If he has another 2017 Wimbush year, he hands Phil the keys and GT's.

 

[Cackalacky]

I honestly have trouble seeing this as anything other than a legit open competition in August. Long is admittedly losing sleep over Wimbush's performances this year. Said it has to get better. Kelly said today that getting 70-80% completion from Wimbush is unlikely for LSU but they will tailor a gameplan to suit his strengths..... not what you want to hear if you are BW.

 

[Cackalacky]

Actually no. What I remember coming away from the Blue Gold game was jaysus BW has accuracy issues whereas Book looked solid in comparison.

But excuses were made, which seemed reasonable at the time, and everyone expected BW to improve over time. Well unfortunately he regressed over time.

And when you consider defences stacked the box and gave him the best opportunity possible to make completions, his passing regressed even worse. Troubling to say the least.

Yeah... this. I realize Book was given some easier things to do but still BW looked in accurate from the start. I recalll everyone talking about his live arm and such but regardless of arm strength he was woefully inaccurate and when forced into a gameplan where we were required to throw, it was awful.

 

[BobbyMac]

I actually do not recall anybody talking up his accuracy. Everybody knew he had a big arm, but mostly everybody was in wait and see mode in terms of his touch. Well, we waited and we saw that his accuracy is ass. I agree with arrowryan, he's been at ND for 3 years now and his mechanics are just awful. I don't see any reason to think it will get any better, especially with a QB coach as inexperienced and unproven as Rees. He's a fantastic athlete who we need on the field and we should treat him like OSU treated Braxton Miller. Let Book and Phil battle it out in the fall.

Are they?

There should be no Book vs Phil battle. ND is not Bama. ND MUST have a Deshaun Watson to get to an NCAA championship. ND can't do it with a proverbial game manager like Bama can, they don't have a roster full of impact players at every position like the Tide. They have to win like Clemson did last year, well coached .89XX roster with a few impact players... one being the QB. It's ND's only chance.

Hopefully Phil is a 4 year player. 2021 is the year the schedule is most promising. 2019 is a throw away for anyone including Bama. 2020 is much easier, it's only a 9.99 on the brutal scale instead of an 11 like '19.

 

[fightingirish26]

Are they?

There should be no Book vs Phil battle. ND is not Bama. ND MUST have a Deshaun Watson to get to an NCAA championship. ND can't do it with a proverbial game manager like Bama can, they don't have a roster full of impact players at every position like the Tide. They have to win like Clemson did last year, well coached .89XX roster with a few impact players... one being the QB. It's ND's only chance.

Hopefully Phil is a 4 year player. 2021 is the year the schedule is most promising. 2019 is a throw away for anyone including Bama. 2020 is much easier, it's only a 9.99 on the brutal scale instead of an 11 like '19.

Yeah, they are...is that even a point of debate? His feet are out of whack every time he throws the ball which messes everything up.

And I agree with you there, but it's still a good idea to let them battle it out. Make Phil have to work for it.

 

[BobbyMac]

Yeah, they are...is that even a point of debate? His feet are out of whack every time he throws the ball which messes everything up.

And I agree with you there, but it's still a good idea to let them battle it out. Make Phil have to work for it.

It's as bad as you say on too many plays but it's not as bad as you think overall. Go back and look at how well his footwork is on deeper drops where there's no cuteness going on after the snap near the line. He looks much more comfortable. I covered it elsewhere in his thread in depth.

I sat with a pretty good college QB and watched a game this year and he mentioned that with ND's line, Wimbush and Adams, they should have used traditional drops and run Adams out of the I. No need to be cute. Adams on draw plays would have been devastating and the play action would have given Wimbush a lot of room to survey and then tuck/run when he wanted. When you add what he was successful at in his HS film it all makes sense to me of course he was throwing to Minkah Fitzpatrick so he had that going for him.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Controversially, my opinion as someone who knows OLine better than QB (so, thankfully it doesn't count):

1). Start Wimbush as if all things are happy vs LSU.
2). If not playing scared, and instead seeming decisive, let him finish the game.
3). If indecisive and threatening to lose the game, let Book give it a try.
4). State that the competition is open for next year, and give Book LOTS of chances in the Spring.
5). If Wimbush is actually looking like he's turned the Tyrod Taylor corner, then go with him; if not, and if Jurkovec looks raw, start the season with Book and ease Jurkovec into the starter role.

Chance of this happening: zero.
Chance of it being the best sequence: not zero.

 

[ND88]

This is exactly what I don't want from our QB. He shouldn't have to rely solely on his legs to get the job done; at that point, you pretty much have a running back playing QB. BW is concerning because he is in his 3rd year at Notre Dame and his fundamentals/footwork is still trash, borderline pathetic, and something you'd see from a high school QB or true frosh. Not from someone who is almost 21. If he failed to improve his technique and fundamentals in his first 3 seasons, why would we think that he's all of a sudden turn the corner? I hope it happens, but I think its unlikely. At Notre Dame, we shouldn't have to say "oh man, I sure our 3rd year QB can throw a 7 yard slant and not throw the ball so high that our 6'5" receiver can't catch it today"; stuff like that should be automatic and should be able to be done in his sleep.

I'm #TeamPhil because I think, at the very minimum, he'll be able to match BW's 2017 production. There's a 99% chance that he's a better thrower and he doesn't need to run a 4.5 to be successful in the offense. He's not as fast as BW, but I'd say his speed is equivalent to Kizer and Kizer did just fine in the run game. Phil probably won't be any worse than BW at reading defenses either. At this point, I just think there is more good than bad if they went Phil>BW.

It is kinda sad. We won 9 games with a QB who couldn't hit the ocean if he was standing on the beach. We probably would've won 11-12 games with a QB who was half decent at throwing the ball.

Your argument was fine until you acted like our quarterback did nothing in the 9 wins we did get.

 

[arrowryan]

Your argument was fine until you acted like our quarterback did nothing in the 9 wins we did get.

He definitely did some things to help in those 9 wins, but helped with his legs and not so much with his arm. He was very efficient against MSU by completing 70% of his passes; other than that, he never completed more than 56% of his passes and that is really bad.

Miami (OH): 7/18, 38.9%. Lol
Navy: 9/18, 50%. Pathetic
BC: 11/24, 45.8%. Just bad

And that is against teams that are not good. So yeah, he did things to help win. But it wasn't his arm, which is what you want your QB to do.

 

[snoopdog]

I know it’s the Phil thread .....so my case for having PJ compete for the starting role is if BW has any ambition playing pro ball he will have to improve immeasurably or change positions.

The NFL is not set up for QB’s with accuracy issues. Therefore BW may want to look for a new position which will give him a chance for a pro career. RB or slot come to mind.

This would leave Book and PJ competing for snaps. May the best man win.

But if BW wants another shot at a ten win season with a diminished o-line but a better defence so be it. But 2019 belongs to PJ.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Hot take.....Wimbush is in the heisman conversation next year.

 

[snoopdog]

Hot take.....Wimbush is in the heisman conversation next year.

Running Back?

 

[Irishnuke]

Hot take.....Wimbush is in the heisman conversation next year.

The only heisman conversation he’ll be in is the one where we look back and talk about this comment.

 

[NorthDakota]

Hot take.....Wimbush is in the heisman conversation next year.

You mean when they talk about the guy who Phil took over for in Week 2?

 

[Valpodoc85]

Maybe I eat crow, Wimbush has the physical ability to be great. (As does PJ) he just seemed overwhelmed this year. Maybe the QB coach and OC are in part to blame. Seems PJ could suffer the same. Who knows? Happy New Year

 

[NorthDakota]

Maybe I eat crow, Wimbush has the physical ability to be great. (As does PJ) he just seemed overwhelmed this year. Maybe the QB coach and OC are in part to blame. Seems PJ could suffer the same. Who knows? Happy New Year

He has the ability. No one who has watched this guy doubts he has the ability. The "overwhelmed" part seems to be the issue. He looks scared half the time.

Phil could suffer the same. But I won't assume that until I see this guy on the field.

 

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[BobbyMac]

Who the hell is running this practice? You got a DE going lid to lid with a QB?

That's pretty disturbing and now I have to go full juvenile and hope Parsons blows a knee out for gooning on the Franchise.

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[NDohio]

Controversially, my opinion as someone who knows OLine better than QB (so, thankfully it doesn't count):

1). Start Wimbush as if all things are happy vs LSU.
2). If not playing scared, and instead seeming decisive, let him finish the game.
3). If indecisive and threatening to lose the game, let Book give it a try.
4). State that the competition is open for next year, and give Book LOTS of chances in the Spring.
5). If Wimbush is actually looking like he's turned the Tyrod Taylor corner, then go with him; if not, and if Jurkovec looks raw, start the season with Book and ease Jurkovec into the starter role.

Chance of this happening: zero.
Chance of it being the best sequence: not zero.

Well OMM the bold happened, now let's hope #4 happens too.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Who the hell is running this practice? You got a DE going lid to lid with a QB?

That's pretty disturbing and now I have to go full juvenile and hope Parsons blows a knee out for gooning on the Franchise.

Bush league. Bad look for Parsons bouncing Phil's head off the turf during practice for an exhibition game, and a bad look for the coaches to allow such a thing to happen.