'18 OR ATH Braden Lenzy (Notre Dame Signee)

[koonja]

Not trying to defend Braden, because I think his comments were bush league, considering the perfectly reasonable explanation that his own father had dropped months prior.

BUT, he's a high school athlete talking to a professional reporter... reporters are good at getting the quotes they want, even when they're talking to people familiar with the media. Combine that, with the possibility that Braden truly wasn't totally clear on what the ND staff had been telling him about a compromise with track, and I can see how he'd take the "I was slighted!" angle.

If he ran a 4.6 would you feel the same? . I see what you're saying though, but I still think it's an immature comment to let out there.

 

[ACamp1900]

Anyone have any idea who Oregon would pursue to replace Taggart??

 

[notredomer23]

Who would Oregon turn to at this point??

 

[IrishLion]

If he ran a 4.6 would you feel the same? . I see what you're saying though, but I still think it's an immature comment to let out there.

I'd say the same about any high school athlete... he got goaded into giving a hot-take quote. He's on the hook for that, but so is the reporter that was fishing for it in an interview with a high school kid.

That's just IMO, though, because I'm familiar with running interviews and trying to generate soundbites. But I wouldn't fault any ND fans for saying "nah, I'm good on that kid," regardless of the explanations for his comments.

 

[IrishLax]

If he ran a 4.6 would you feel the same? . I see what you're saying though, but I still think it's an immature comment to let out there.

It's doubly bad because he had a chance to back pedal and admit he got baited and instead came out and was like " I stand by my statements, don't try to tell me I'm wrong when I'm the one living it." That, to me, makes this kid a hard pass unless he completely owns up to his BS and even then I'd have a hard time wanting him in the class with these kinds of red flags.

 

[ACamp1900]

It's doubly bad because he had a chance to back pedal and admit he got baited and instead came out and was like " I stand by my statements, don't try to tell me I'm wrong when I'm the one living it." That, to me, makes this kid a hard pass unless he completely owns up to his BS and even then I'd have a hard time wanting him in the class with these kinds of red flags.

but,... our DBs brah.

 

[Luckylucci]

I thought the comments some coaches made to footballscoop said it perfectly.....he will be branded a liar and will have an uphill battle in front of him.

I have a close friend who is a diehard ducks fan so you some of what he's saying is based on a emotion but this part I agree with. If he goes to FSU and fails in short order (2 years), he could be done at major college programs for awhile. If he had stayed at Oregon they'd have been much more patient, and he wouldn't have been branded this way.

Now, if he goes to FSU and crushes it, his stock skyrockets, but this is a very risky move by him, IMO.

 

[NDohio]

Anyone have any idea who Oregon would pursue to replace Taggart??

Read a few places today that Sumlin has laid low from other coaching searches because he wants this one. No real sources, just twitter noise.

What about Mike Leach? That would be interesting.

 

[ACamp1900]

Read a few places today that Sumlin has laid low from other coaching searches because he wants this one. No real sources, just twitter noise.

What about Mike Leach? That would be interesting.

Dude, Leach would be amazing...

 

[Luckylucci]

If I was Oregon, I'd be all over a Mike Leach/Alex Grinch combo. Already familiar with all the opponents. Herbert would probably be pretty darn good in that system.

The only downside for them, as a fanbase is, they've started to believe they should be recruiting at an "elite" level. Problem with that is, even when Chip was crushing the Pac-12, they weren't recruiting "elite" classes, overall. So some misplaced expectations, maybe. As well as, Leach has never been an all world recruiter.

 

[ACamp1900]

If I was Oregon, I'd be all over a Mike Leach/Alex Grinch combo. Already familiar with all the opponents. Herbert would probably be pretty darn good in that system.

The only downside for them, as a fanbase is, they've started to believe they should be recruiting at an "elite" level. Problem with that is, even when Chip was crushing the Pac-12, they weren't recruiting "elite" classes, overall.

They were coming close if you included all their JuCo transfers and such...lol

 

[Domina Nostra]

If I was Oregon, I'd be all over a Mike Leach/Alex Grinch combo. Already familiar with all the opponents. Herbert would probably be pretty darn good in that system.

The only downside for them, as a fanbase is, they've started to believe they should be recruiting at an "elite" level. Problem with that is, even when Chip was crushing the Pac-12, they weren't recruiting "elite" classes, overall. So some misplaced expectations, maybe. As well as, Leach has never been an all world recruiter.

The school does most of the selling. Nike University is 1000% more sexy than Texas Tech or Washington State.

 

[NDohio]

If I was Oregon, I'd be all over a Mike Leach/Alex Grinch combo. Already familiar with all the opponents. Herbert would probably be pretty darn good in that system.

The only downside for them, as a fanbase is, they've started to believe they should be recruiting at an "elite" level. Problem with that is, even when Chip was crushing the Pac-12, they weren't recruiting "elite" classes, overall. So some misplaced expectations, maybe. As well as, Leach has never been an all world recruiter.

Yeah, that really is a big drawback for him getting a big job - I think it's a bigger issue than his quirkiness. But if he could get to a place like Oregon and get some good recruiting assistants, it would be fun to watch.

 

[BobbyMac]

Could Be Breaking News:

Bryan Harsin will become the first person in history to coach BOTH teams when Boise St faces off against Oregon in the Las Vegas Bowl. Bryan Harsin is scheduled to fly in with the Broncos and will then fly back to Eugene with the Ducks where he takes over for Willie Taggart.

Current Husky DC, Pete Kwiatkowski is expected to be the first defensive coach to take over the Broncos program in 20+ years. Kwiatkowski was an All-American defensive lineman at Boise, is a BSU HOF member, and was a Bronco staff member for more than 15 years including DC from 2010-2013 under current UDub HC, Chris Peterson.

 

[Luckylucci]

The school does most of the selling. Nike University is 1000% more sexy than Texas Tech or Washington State.

Not as much as you think it does. It has taken Taggart's aggressive style to really get things to this level. Oregon's recruiting classes during Chip Kelly's incredible tenure.

09'- 30th
10'- 12th
11- 12th
12'- 14th

Post Kelly
13'- 19th
14'- 21st
15'- 16th
16'- 27th
17'- 19th

So in the last 9 classes, Oregon has never "sold" itself, as a top 10 recruiter. The only time in the last 10 cycles in which Oregon has made the top 10, is currently, with a very aggressive recruiter in Taggart.

More than anything, Chip was just excellent at identifying talent for his system and getting a few "elite" guys every cycle.

With all that said, I not saying that you have to have top 10 classes to be successful, I'm just pointing out that Oregon isn't an "elite" recruiting school, just because it's Oregon. It's actually never been one, until Taggart got there.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Oregon?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Oregon</a>’s Willie Taggart is expected to become the next head coach at <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FSU?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FSU</a>, source tell me.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/938146589922811905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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"Braden Lenzy, come on down!"

 

[koonja]

So assuming this actually has traction with ND, what are we recruiting him for, if at all? It was WR, but didn't Geordon Porter take the spot for the "undersized super fast guy"?

Is he not a CB prospect?

 

[ACamp1900]

Not as much as you think it does. It has taken Taggart's aggressive style to really get things to this level. Oregon's recruiting classes during Chip Kelly's incredible tenure.

09'- 30th
10'- 12th
11- 12th
12'- 14th

Post Kelly
13'- 19th
14'- 21st
15'- 16th
16'- 27th
17'- 19th

So in the last 9 classes, Oregon has never "sold" itself, as a top 10 recruiter. The only time in the last 10 cycles in which Oregon has made the top 10, is currently, with a very aggressive recruiter in Taggart.

More than anything, Chip was just excellent at identifying talent for his system and getting a few "elite" guys every cycle.

With all that said, I not saying that you have to have top 10 classes to be successful, I'm just pointing out that Oregon isn't an "elite" recruiting school, just because it's Oregon. It's actually never been one, until Taggart got there.

Honestly this is still such a huge step up from where OU was prior to Bellotti,.. they've come a long way.

 

[Luckylucci]

So assuming this actually has traction with ND, what are we recruiting him for, if at all? It was WR, but didn't Geordon Porter take the spot for the "undersized super fast guy"?

Is he not a CB prospect?

Sounds like the starting point is WR, which is what we were recruiting him before. In general, in terms of how he fits in. I'd take a big step back and let this play out. With how this went down, I'd be surprised if he's committing to ND prior to visiting, and some relationship building occurring. Point is, we have some time before we cross the numbers bridge.

With all that said, yes, I think he could play DB. And yes, I think Porter is very similar of a WR. However, neither of them are undersized, IMO. Both are north of 6'-6'1, though they'll have to hit the weights.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Honestly this is still such a huge step up from where OU was prior to Bellotti,.. they've come a long way.

A blank check from Phil Knight will do that.

 

[Luckylucci]

Honestly this is still such a huge step up from where OU was prior to Bellotti,.. they've come a long way.

Certainly realize that, but my previous point was the Oregon fanbase now believes they should be "elite" recruiters, and Leach has never shown he can do that. Dom said that Oregon sells itself, and to some degree that is true, but the school has literally never sold itself to be a top 10 recruiter, until a very aggressive Taggart came to town. So if they go back to the mindset of school selling itself, I think, at least until they start winning big again, you'll have a lot of disgruntled fans.

 

[ACamp1900]

Certainly realize that, but my previous point was the Oregon fanbase now believes they should be "elite" recruiters, and Leach has never shown he can do that. Dom said that Oregon sells itself, and to some degree that is true, but the school has literally never sold itself to be a top 10 recruiter, until a very aggressive Taggart came to town. So if they go back to the mindset of school selling itself, I think, at least until they start winning big again, you'll have a lot of disgruntled fans.

For sure, and for clarity I wasn't trying to call you out or 'educate' you... just sharing my thoughts on the flow of the thread.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

So assuming this actually has traction with ND, what are we recruiting him for, if at all?

Track.

 

[BobbyMac]

So assuming this actually has traction with ND, what are we recruiting him for, if at all? It was WR, but didn't Geordon Porter take the spot for the "undersized super fast guy"?

Is he not a CB prospect?

As of last March, Lenzy was 5-11.5 and Poter was 6-1.5.

 

[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: Willie Taggart has reached an agreement to be Florida State's next head coach, Taggart confirmed to ESPN. <a href="https://t.co/Spi4Xcwu0N">pic.twitter.com/Spi4Xcwu0N</a></p>— SportsCenter (@SportsCenter) <a href="https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/938150525098516486?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ACamp1900]

Odds are he's Chip Kelly's first commit??

 

[BobbyMac]

Odds are he's Chip Kelly's first commit??

Lenzy is a track star. Oregon is a Top 10 program. UCLA is not, neither is FSU.

 

[ACamp1900]

Lenzy is a track star. Oregon is a Top 10 program. UCLA is not, neither is FSU.

You think ND then, or he's staying put??

 

[ab2cmiller]

Braden did retweet our buddy Jordan Cornette

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Willie Taggart on his 3rd school in as many seasons. But heaven forbid a student athlete considers transferring. The hypocrisy astounds me.</p>— jordan cornette (@jordancornette) <a href="https://twitter.com/jordancornette/status/938149056853037056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[Irish#1]

Honestly this is still such a huge step up from where OU was prior to Bellotti,.. they've come a long way.

Their 15 minutes of fame is over.