'16 OH OT Liam Eichenberg (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[woolybug25]

Let me clarify I don't view 6'5 as ideal OT length. Ideal for me would be 6'6-6'7. Also, I think that Liam is 6'5 at best. I could see him coming on next fall at 6'4 1/2, he's not a super long kid. Again I love the prospect and think he's terrific but I still don't believe he has ideal length for OT.

Why do you feel that way when all of the NFL's best offensive tackles (outside of Kalil) are under 6'6"?

Heck, even in Walter Football's top 25 Tackles list for the 2015 NCAA season... there are only three guys taller than 6'6"...

WalterFootball.com: 2015 NFL Draft: Offensive Tackle Rankings

 

[DCIrish]

If the guy can play that's all that matters.

Zach Martin didn't have ideal measurables for an OT and he was one of best ND has had.

 

[Luckylucci]

Why do you feel that way when all of the NFL's best offensive tackles (outside of Kalil) are under 6'6"?

I think its fair to question and without measuring up each individual guy its pretty hard to for me to speak of. However, using the word ideal as in if I had to put together the ideal OT he wouldn't be shorter than 6'5 and would be 6'6, IMO. Very similar to Q. Nelson and ZMart, those guys are very good OL that don't have ideal LT length which is what I see from Liam. To make a 5 star rating, similar to 1st rd draft grade, you either have to have ideal measreables or be fantastic at everything else. I don't see the ideals and the fantastic at everything else. I see very solid across the board and I give a mid to high 4 star. You guys can disagree if you like, no worries.

I guess let me say that again I don't believe he's 6'5.

 

[Nothingman]

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This is a brief evaluation of Eichenberg's sophomore film by Sean Mele. I don't know if this has been posted before, but it's a good watch.

I'm by no means an expert when it comes to reviewing film, but for a sophomore in high school I think he looks pretty polished.

 

[woolybug25]

I think its fair to question and without measuring up each individual guy its pretty hard to for me to speak of. However, using the word ideal as in if I had to put together the ideal OT he wouldn't be shorter than 6'5 and would be 6'6, IMO. Very similar to Q. Nelson and ZMart, those guys are very good OL that don't have ideal LT length which is what I see from Liam. To make a 5 star rating, similar to 1st rd draft grade, you either have to have ideal measreables or be fantastic at everything else. I don't see the ideals and the fantastic at everything else. I see very solid across the board and I give a mid to high 4 star. You guys can disagree if you like, no worries.

Yeah, to each their own... but the best left tackles in the game in both college and pros do not fit your personal preference for a tackle. It's literally an anomaly that varies from the actual evidence (the average height of NFL and college football left tackles) we have.

Plus... it's one inch we're talking about. How can that be so impactful?

 

[ThePiombino]

I think its fair to question and without measuring up each individual guy its pretty hard to for me to speak of. However, using the word ideal as in if I had to put together the ideal OT he wouldn't be shorter than 6'5 and would be 6'6, IMO. Very similar to Q. Nelson and ZMart, those guys are very good OL that don't have ideal LT length which is what I see from Liam. To make a 5 star rating, similar to 1st rd draft grade, you either have to have ideal measreables or be fantastic at everything else. I don't see the ideals and the fantastic at everything else. I see very solid across the board and I give a mid to high 4 star. You guys can disagree if you like, no worries.

I guess let me say that again I don't believe he's 6'5.

Wouldn't wing span be more important than height? Seems 6'5" vs 6'6" is splitting hairs. 6'4" vs 6'6"/6'67"? I get it.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm by no means an expert when it comes to reviewing film, but for a sophomore in high school I think he looks pretty polished.

According to Mele, "he's got a tremendously bright future as an Offensive Tackle in college and beyond." Furthermore, he speaks glowingly multiple times about Liam's measurables; if Liam lacks "NFL length" or projects on the inside for us, Mele would presumably have said so.

Plus... it's one inch we're talking about. How can that be so impactful?

Not to mention that what really matters is arm length; we just use height as a proxy for it because it's easier to come by.

 

[Luckylucci]

Yeah, to each their own... but the best left tackles in the game in both college and pros do not fit your personal preference for a tackle. It's literally an anomaly that varies from the actual evidence (the average height of NFL and college football left tackles) we have.

Plus... it's one inch we're talking about. How can that be so impactful?

I probably got a little carried away when I posted 6'7 so I'll take that back. Lets say 6'5+. In reality it doesn't matter but it sounds like Liam is being considered for RT or inside from what was posted on 247 recently and he's ok with that.

 

[Rizzophil]

I'm a ND homer but love the fact that we are debating height and not if he is ND bound.

 

[connor_in]

According to Mele, "he's got a tremendously bright future as an Offensive Tackle in college and beyond." Furthermore, he speaks glowingly multiple times about Liam's measurables; if Liam lacks "NFL length" or projects on the inside for us, Mele would presumably have said so.



Not to mention that what really matters is arm length; we just use height as a proxy for it because it's easier to come by.

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[Irish#1]

mid to high level 4 star for me. Lacks ideal height and length to put him at 5 star right now.

Kind of like a kid named Martin.

 

[Irish#1]

Wouldn't wing span be more important than height? Seems 6'5" vs 6'6" is splitting hairs. 6'4" vs 6'6"/6'67"? I get it.

Bingo.

 

[BeauBenken]

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Someone already posted that joke.

Sheesh. Step your game up, man.

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

Getting him would be amazing. HH keep doing work

 

[Crazy Balki]

High 4-star guy. He's just a hair behind Kraemer in terms of the complete OL package. I prefer Liam's measurables to Kraemer's, and I do believe he's closer to 6'6 than he is 6'4 (probably 6'5 and change), but this is kind of like comparing Nelson and Bars for me. One of them is a physical mauler who is a surprisingly well-rounded OL but lacks "ideal" height and the other is an athletic beast with great measurables but needs a little fine-tuning.

 

[greyhammer90]

Kind of like a kid named Martin.

Not calling you out specifically but lets PLEASE not do this every time someone says that a recruit lacks ideal size.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

According to Mele, "he's got a tremendously bright future as an Offensive Tackle in college and beyond." Furthermore, he speaks glowingly multiple times about Liam's measurables; if Liam lacks "NFL length" or projects on the inside for us, Mele would presumably have said so.



Not to mention that what really matters is arm length; we just use height as a proxy for it because it's easier to come by.

With all this discussion about length, what's ultimately matters for a left tackle is that they can mirror speed rushers coming around the edge. Obviously you have to be competent at everything else as well, but you can't do that at a high level you won't be a left tackle, end of story. You need athleticism and footwork to do that, and there are some great examples of Eichenberg doing just that in his tape.

Elmer is playing guard for us because he has heavy feet and was regularly beat around the edge. Kraemer in the tape we have seems to have similarly heavy feet.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

High 4-star guy. He's just a hair behind Kraemer in terms of the complete OL package. I prefer Liam's measurables to Kraemer's, and I do believe he's closer to 6'6 than he is 6'4 (probably 6'5 and change), but this is kind of like comparing Nelson and Bars for me. One of them is a physical mauler who is a surprisingly well-rounded OL but lacks "ideal" height and the other is an athletic beast with great measurables but needs a little fine-tuning.

Wasn't there a report that Nelson had ridiculously long arms? I don't know if the height is all that important when we're talking about 6'4+ because the leverage doesn't change a great deal but arm length appeal to many scouts.

 

[ResLife Hero]

Wasn't there a report that Nelson had ridiculously long arms? I don't know if the height is all that important when we're talking about 6'4+ because the leverage doesn't change a great deal but arm length appeal to many scouts.

He had a 6'10"+ wingspan at his all star game. I've heard legitimate arguments for height, but I think length is more essential to the position.

 

[Legacy]

THE HURRY UP: LOSING ON LIAM, DAVIS A NAME TO KEEP IN MIND, ONWENU REACTIONS AND MORE

Here's an aricle from an Ohio State blog which addresses Liam possibly favoring Notre Dame. I cannot believe the comments. They wanted us to join their conference? They want to continue to recruit Catholic high school players in Ohio?

 

[dang227]

I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading that comments section. I am much worse off for it.

 

[irish4ever]

THE HURRY UP: LOSING ON LIAM, DAVIS A NAME TO KEEP IN MIND, ONWENU REACTIONS AND MORE

Here's an aricle from an Ohio State blog which addresses Liam possibly favoring Notre Dame. I cannot believe the comments. They wanted us to join their conference? They want to continue to recruit Catholic high school players in Ohio?

Talking about a bunch of ass-hats, some of the lame comments from the bucknuts are hilarious.

 

[IrishLax]

I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading that comments section. I am much worse off for it.

The idiocy was astounding. They are completely ignorant of how good Notre Dame's OL has been since 2012.

The primary reason why ND lands elite linemen is Hiestand. It's that simple. Hiestand is loved by former players and current ones. He recruits hard, and has the track record (Olin Kreutz to Zach Martin to current standout Ronnie Stanley) who swear up and down by his instruction.

No Catholic conspiracies or whatever other wackadoodle theories needed...

 

[Domina Nostra]

The idiocy was astounding. They are completely ignorant of how good Notre Dame's OL has been since 2012.

The primary reason why ND lands elite linemen is Hiestand. It's that simple. Hiestand is loved by former players and current ones. He recruits hard, and has the track record (Olin Kreutz to Zach Martin to current standout Ronnie Stanley) who swear up and down by his instruction.

No Catholic conspiracies or whatever other wackadoodle theories needed...

IMO, ND's line has been a serious mixed bag of excellence and mediocrity since 2012. The tragedies, defections, and injuries of the previous few years were not suddenly overcome. Even during the championship run, we had some players who were not that great. We were sometimes excellent against the rush, and Martin and Watt were excellent in the running game, but was there ever a period where the whole line was a real force to be reckoned with?

I think we are only now approaching the point where the holes have been filled in, and no one is playing unless they are not only talented, but ready.

However, there is no doubt that HH's coaching has been a consistent bright spot through that period. It certainly seems like he has gotten the most out of all of his players, and that means he has gotten A TON out of guys with NFL potential.

No doubt, however, that OSU fans are re-writing history to make it sound like they have had consistently excellent OL play during the past few years.

 

[NDdomer2]

The online Rees senior year was phenomenal on pass pro. Any running to the right was hideous tho.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

THE HURRY UP: LOSING ON LIAM, DAVIS A NAME TO KEEP IN MIND, ONWENU REACTIONS AND MORE

Here's an aricle from an Ohio State blog which addresses Liam possibly favoring Notre Dame. I cannot believe the comments. They wanted us to join their conference? They want to continue to recruit Catholic high school players in Ohio?

Clearly, the only reason a top Midwestern recruit would chose not to become a Bucknut or a Skunkbear is due to some Papist conspiracy.

#B1Gots

 

[greyhammer90]

Lol they SUPER mad

 

[Ndaccountant]

IMO, ND's line has been a serious mixed bag of excellence and mediocrity since 2012. The tragedies, defections, and injuries of the previous few years were not suddenly overcome. Even during the championship run, we had some players who were not that great. We were sometimes excellent against the rush, and Martin and Watt were excellent in the running game, but was there ever a period where the whole line was a real force to be reckoned with?

I think we are only now approaching the point where the holes have been filled in, and no one is playing unless they are not only talented, but ready.

However, there is no doubt that HH's coaching has been a consistent bright spot through that period. It certainly seems like he has gotten the most out of all of his players, and that means he has gotten A TON out of guys with NFL potential.

No doubt, however, that OSU fans are re-writing history to make it sound like they have had consistently excellent OL play during the past few years.

In terms of developing talent in the last few years, he is what OSU produced:
2010: No draft picks
2011: No draft picks
2012: 56th overall pick
2013: 240th overall pick
2014: 59th and 161st overall picks

ND:
2010: 179th & 183rd overall picks
2011: No draft picks
2012: No draft picks
2013: No draft picks
2014: 16th & 89th overall Picks

Both have the same amount of picks over the last 5 years, but OSU leads in the last 3. That said, ND has produced a first round talent in Martin, who is excelling with Dallas and Watt started 5 games last year. Mewhort started 14 games for the Colts in 2014 and Lindsey started 16 for the Pack. So, I would say that overall, it really is about even. It would come down to preference and factors outside of football, which differs by individual. OL tend to be a bit smarter than the average player, which is why I think ND does well. Those guys value the education, enjoy Harry and see an upward trend in draft picks. Stanley will be a 1st rounder most likely, and who knows after that.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Reading that is a reminder of how delusional people can be. There is a whole lot more to life than college football. I'm glad Liam seems to be trending in NDs favor, seems like a great kid and talent.

 

[IRISHFAN76]

I live in ohio and have to listen to the suckeye fans all the time. There lips are moving but all I hear is diaria of the brain. We are ND.