'16 MI OLB Daelin Hayes (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

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This is great news. While we all know how great he was playing, I'm not sure we fully understand the positive impact it will have for next year until we see him on the field. We should have an AA caliber DE to replace an AA caliber player.
 
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Another year of Michigan boys at DE. I'm down!

Also, I know I'm in the majority here, but the new 4-game red shirt rule is one of the best things the NCAA has done in some time.
 
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Please, stay healthy. I feel like he has finally gotten to the point we all thought he could as far as his body growing, while maintaining his athleticism.

He has worked hard and had an incredible attitude with all things considered... please let him have a senior year where he can play to the best of his ability. The worst thing to an athlete isn’t losing, it’s not being able to compete to the best of your ability.
 
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EvilleIrish said:
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No big deal one way or the other.

Years ago I had a disagreement with a former member about whether DH was going to be a LB or DE at ND. All I knew was DH was going to be 260+.

Funny thing about our DE's. Our WDE is now 270. Our SDE was last reported at 25O-something.

In packages where they want to get after the QB, I wonder which one will slide inside like KK often did. I wonder if they would slide both inside and put Justin Ade and Foskey at DE's?
 
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DONTH8 said:
Please, stay healthy. I feel like he has finally gotten to the point we all thought he could as far as his body growing, while maintaining his athleticism.

He has worked hard and had an incredible attitude with all things considered... please let him have a senior year where he can play to the best of his ability. The worst thing to an athlete isn’t losing, it’s not being able to compete to the best of your ability.
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Yeah, I hope he stays healthy. He was kicking butt last year and would have been starting on most other teams.
 
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I'm kind of torn on this. I don't see how carrying that much weight could improve his pass rush skills, which is ultimately the most important thing for Daelin's future. While I'll acknowledge he looked at his best for the first 3 games last year, than he ever has. I also think he looked better as a Sophomore (when he was in the 250 range) than he did as Junior (when he starting getting up near the 260's). I have huge question marks on whether a 270 Daelin is the best thing for him over an entire season. They know more than I so I hope they're right but this seems like an Isaac Rochelle situation where letting the body takes it's natural course isn't actually the best thing to do. Rochell got better after he left ND because he lost useless lbs (at least 10). and improved his movement skills because of it.
 
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Stephon Tuitt is another example. Pittsburgh has him at 303, he left ND at 312. Take 10 lbs. off Daelin and I think that's probably where he should be.
 
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Luckylucci said:
I'm kind of torn on this. I don't see how carrying that much weight could improve his pass rush skills, which is ultimately the most important thing for Daelin's future. While I'll acknowledge he looked at his best for the first 3 games last year, than he ever has. I also think he looked better as a Sophomore (when he was in the 250 range) than he did as Junior (when he starting getting up near the 260's). I have huge question marks on whether a 270 Daelin is the best thing for him over an entire season. They know more than I so I hope they're right but this seems like an Isaac Rochelle situation where letting the body takes it's natural course isn't actually the best thing to do. Rochell got better after he left ND because he lost useless lbs (at least 10). and improved his movement skills because of it.
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sometimes this is hard to stop though. We dont know if he would be somewhere around 280 if they really let his body be natural. 270 could be maintaining it the best they can. I agree it doesn't seem to jive with his best tape/goal for his position.

IIRC Isaac was really battling some back issues during his time at ND that didnt allow for him to do some of the exercises/lifts that could have better maintained his weight. He was finally healed once he got to SD that allowed him to start changing his body. But perhaps that was just the narrative at ND to have him play a position of need.
 
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When you start getting paid to maintain a goal weight, it's much easier to do. I'm not really faulting ND here as much as that doesn't change the fact that goal weights are there for a reason and NFL guys are strict on those, for a reason.
 
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When you start getting paid to maintain a goal weight, it's much easier to do. I'm not really faulting ND here as much as that doesn't change the fact that goal weights are there for a reason and NFL guys are strict on those, for a reason.
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i am no way trying to exclude that. But I don't know if that changes anything if Isaac really did have some restrictions due to health while at ND.

Daelin has as well. Not easy to hit the fitness hard wtih an arm in a sling half your career.
 
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No big deal one way or the other.

Years ago I had a disagreement with a former member about whether DH was going to be a LB or DE at ND. All I knew was DH was going to be 260+.

Funny thing about our DE's. Our WDE is now 270. Our SDE was last reported at 25O-something.

In packages where they want to get after the QB, I wonder which one will slide inside like KK often did. I wonder if they would slide both inside and put Justin Ade and Foskey at DE's?
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Speaking of Justin Ade, he was another case of posters on here stubbornly hanging on to the notion that he was a LB, probably because that's what the services evaluated him as. In reality he was always going to grow out of the position.
 
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Luckylucci said:
I'm kind of torn on this. I don't see how carrying that much weight could improve his pass rush skills, which is ultimately the most important thing for Daelin's future. While I'll acknowledge he looked at his best for the first 3 games last year, than he ever has. I also think he looked better as a Sophomore (when he was in the 250 range) than he did as Junior (when he starting getting up near the 260's). I have huge question marks on whether a 270 Daelin is the best thing for him over an entire season. They know more than I so I hope they're right but this seems like an Isaac Rochelle situation where letting the body takes it's natural course isn't actually the best thing to do. Rochell got better after he left ND because he lost useless lbs (at least 10). and improved his movement skills because of it.
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Hayes looked his best by a wide margin last season at nearly 270.

Hayes' issue was always him being technically raw considering he missed a ton of time in HS due to shoulder injuries. He's come a long way in terms of pass rush technique and playing the position at the collegiate level.

I don't see how him losing 10 pounds really affects his ability to play at a high level if he showed he could do so at his current weight.

I think if Hayes' weight was hindering his athletic ceiling, then he wouldn't be at 270.
 
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He should drop back down to 250 or so and be a super skrong buck. Nobody would be able to run or pass on the base defense.
 
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For all those who thought he was done...he is back! And just in time for Clemson!


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Finally had the break out game we were all expecting a few weeks ago. Great to see it. Hopefully he brings it next week.
 
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Hayes was an absolute beast yesterday. He was tackling everyone in the backfield. Mashing his side of the oline.
 
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If he plays that way, we will beat Clemson Saturday. That is what I expected this season. He was unblockable most of the day.
 
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Just in case BK didn't give it to him, here's a game ball from me.

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