'16 CA WR Javon McKinley (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

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McKinley was a hell of a WR in HS and from what I remember he was doing really well in terms of getting open in camp and practise but had some trouble with drops. Now it sounds like he was injured. Hopefully he can pull it all together this year and make some plays for us. We really need him at X.
 

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All these eye popping numbers is crazy and sad, all at the same time. The S&C program really let these players down the last few years.
 

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I'm excited about the improvements and players are as well no doubt you can see the improvements. Plus you never saw them tweet about Longo or say how happy they are....ever. But in all photos on right are of them flexing and ones on left standing still so of course they look bigger. You can tell with lbs they are bigger over two months. We are already seeing the results but I think in 2018 is where they will really show. Glad you have you Balis
 

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Glad to see improvement on the team. Least now maybe the boys wont be getting tossed around so easily by Stanford and such.

Physical wise I have never understood why ND has lagged so far behind the other college teams. I can see from Weis and his screwball approach to everything physical but since then, it just didnt make any sense. Less sense why BK would stick with a guy for years who clearly wasnt doing his job preparing the players physically and had no remote excuse for being anywhere near a college football team S&C dept.

But nice jumps in weight. 9 lbs of pure muscle in 60 days on a receivers frame. Glad to see ND has finally arrived in the pharmaceutical dept like all other teams :)
 

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Glad to see improvement on the team. Least now maybe the boys wont be getting tossed around so easily by Stanford and such.

Physical wise I have never understood why ND has lagged so far behind the other college teams. I can see from Weis and his screwball approach to everything physical but since then, it just didnt make any sense. Less sense why BK would stick with a guy for years who clearly wasnt doing his job preparing the players physically and had no remote excuse for being anywhere near a college football team S&C dept.

But nice jumps in weight. 9 lbs of pure muscle in 60 days on a receivers frame. Glad to see ND has finally arrived in the pharmaceutical dept like all other teams :)


Kelly was extremely loyal to Longo. They're best friends and I'm pretty sure Longo was Kelly's best man at his wedding or at least stood up. It would be like firing your brother even when he's doing a shit job and everyone knows it
 

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Might we finally get some push on the O-line this year? Our inability to run for short yardage has killed us for years now.
 

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all these ridiculous improvements are more vindication for koon re: longo haha
 

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Glad to see improvement on the team. Least now maybe the boys wont be getting tossed around so easily by Stanford and such.

Physical wise I have never understood why ND has lagged so far behind the other college teams. I can see from Weis and his screwball approach to everything physical but since then, it just didnt make any sense. Less sense why BK would stick with a guy for years who clearly wasnt doing his job preparing the players physically and had no remote excuse for being anywhere near a college football team S&C dept.

But nice jumps in weight. 9 lbs of pure muscle in 60 days on a receivers frame. Glad to see ND has finally arrived in the pharmaceutical dept like all other teams :)

It's easy to bash Longo now, but he is not as incompetent as people suggest. Longo was a quality strength coach for many, many years including his first few at Notre Dame. He was credited with helping us turn into a great closing team in those first few years. But he reached a point where he could not perform his job at a high enough level -- Kelly saying he has a "long-term disability" preventing him from doing so. If you don't believe the legitimacy of that, that's fine, I can't make you change your mind. And I agree, we are better off now with Balis regardless, but stop speaking in such hyperbole. It just makes you and anyone else who does sound ignorant.
 

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It's easy to bash Longo now, but he is not as incompetent as people suggest. Longo was a quality strength coach for many, many years including his first few at Notre Dame. He was credited with helping us turn into a great closing team in those first few years. But he reached a point where he could not perform his job at a high enough level -- Kelly saying he has a "long-term disability" preventing him from doing so. If you don't believe the legitimacy of that, that's fine, I can't make you change your mind. And I agree, we are better off now with Balis regardless, but stop speaking in such hyperbole. It just makes you and anyone else who does sound ignorant.

This is not correct. Please tell me one game where ND physically manhandled any team that was remotely on the same level as ND. Stanford won the physical battle every year. 2012 was the case of having just really great players at the same time rather than having physical specimens.

Please show me one physically developed ND player during Longos time. ND's linemen have for the vast majority always had underdeveloped arms and just looked like big men in uniform. I dont recall a DE or DT looking imposing at all. Big men but not muscular men.

Yet teams like OSU, BAMA and USC had it all day long.
 

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This is not correct. Please tell me one game where ND physically manhandled any team that was remotely on the same level as ND. Stanford won the physical battle every year. 2012 was the case of having just really great players at the same time rather than having physical specimens.

Please show me one physically developed ND player during Longos time. ND's linemen have for the vast majority always had underdeveloped arms and just looked like big men in uniform. I dont recall a DE or DT looking imposing at all. Big men but not muscular men.

Yet teams like OSU, BAMA and USC had it all day long.

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Glad to see improvement on the team. Least now maybe the boys wont be getting tossed around so easily by Stanford and such.

Physical wise I have never understood why ND has lagged so far behind the other college teams. I can see from Weis and his screwball approach to everything physical but since then, it just didnt make any sense. Less sense why BK would stick with a guy for years who clearly wasnt doing his job preparing the players physically and had no remote excuse for being anywhere near a college football team S&C dept.

But nice jumps in weight. 9 lbs of pure muscle in 60 days on a receivers frame. Glad to see ND has finally arrived in the pharmaceutical dept like all other teams :)

This is not correct. Please tell me one game where ND physically manhandled any team that was remotely on the same level as ND. Stanford won the physical battle every year. 2012 was the case of having just really great players at the same time rather than having physical specimens.

Please show me one physically developed ND player during Longos time. ND's linemen have for the vast majority always had underdeveloped arms and just looked like big men in uniform. I dont recall a DE or DT looking imposing at all. Big men but not muscular men.

Yet teams like OSU, BAMA and USC had it all day long.

It's the door under the sign that says "EXIT".
 

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It's easy to bash Longo now, but he is not as incompetent as people suggest. Longo was a quality strength coach for many, many years including his first few at Notre Dame. He was credited with helping us turn into a great closing team in those first few years. But he reached a point where he could not perform his job at a high enough level -- Kelly saying he has a "long-term disability" preventing him from doing so. If you don't believe the legitimacy of that, that's fine, I can't make you change your mind. And I agree, we are better off now with Balis regardless, but stop speaking in such hyperbole. It just makes you and anyone else who does sound ignorant.

Yup, it's been amazing to watch the hyperbole go into overdrive really just over the past 5 months.

There was something recently wrong with the S&C program but the problems are likely blown out of proportion. And, I keep ringing this bell but S&C issues have proven to be cyclical at Notre Dame. It's pretty funny to read that we've never been physical or developed a single player's body!

Give it some time. Just wait for a couple losses and injuries. Balis will eventually be turned on just like the rest of em.
 

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That Longo had ND anywhere near a competitive D1 level physical wise.

[sarcasm] Yeah...... I know what you mean. That 12-0 regular season record in 2012 was obviously the result of imposters suiting up for the Irish...... [/sarcasm]

And don't tell me "Look at what happened to that team against Alabama!" ND beat 4 Top 20 teams during that season. I'm not saying that Longo was great, but if you think that ND was never "anywhere near a competitive D1 level physical wise" during Longo's years, then that's a you problem.
 

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Am I reading that correctly that McKinley added five inches to his vertical jump? That's insane (and v helpful for a wide receiver).
 

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Nice Freebie by Greg Flammang at UHND.com

https://www.uhnd.com/football/javon-mckinley-notre-dame-football-sleeping-giant-36982

Javon McKinley: A Sleeping Giant for Notre Dame Football

If I asked the average fan who follows Notre Dame football year round to list the young players at receiver they were excited about, I think the names would be fairly predictable.

I’d expect to hear about Miles Boykin, who had a big spring. Chase Claypool would come up as the athletic marvel who was itching to break out (in fact an incredibly brilliant writer has already bought a ticket on that hype train). Everyone loved what Kevin Stepherson displayed as a freshman last season, and he brings a speed aspect unlike the others. And these are all good players with a lot of potential for strong careers in South Bend.

One name I wouldn’t expect to hear is Javon McKinley, the former four star receiver out of Corona, California. Surprising because he arrived with the most fanfare–he’s actually the highest rated receiver on the roster. Unsurprising because a somewhat slow start, coupled with a broken leg he suffered in late October, put other players in the headlines and McKinley unable to make his mark in practice or on the field.

For his part McKinley made a nice recovery from his broken fibula and was able to participate in spring drills, even catching a couple of passes in the spring game, albeit with a red, no-contact jersey. But, his limited reps and again lack of an opportunity to be completely full-go allowed others to shine and steal some headlines. Can McKinley, now fully healed and with an off-season to get back into form, breakthrough the depth chart and make a mark on 2017?

McKinley Has Pedigree

Sometimes we forget about what we were getting from a high school player once they are on campus and have completed a freshman season. I think the thought is, it doesn’t matter what they did, they are here now and none of the high school stuff matters. It’s not a bad argument actually, but sometimes we do need to take a look back, especially when it comes to an injury stunting a career early on.

This is a player who caught 91 passes for 1,906 yards and 20 touchdowns as a junior in high school, for the #1 team in the state of California. Corona Centennial plays one of the toughest schedules in the nation year after year and McKinley ripped them apart. His numbers dipped as a senior in terms of volume, but not in terms of efficiency.

He caught 56 passes for 1,173 yards and 13 touchdowns, with an identical 21 yards per reception from his junior season, as his team utilized more of a running game on their way to a state championship.

Simply put, you couldn’t have put McKinley in a position to face tougher competition than the one he was in and he dominated. That projects very well to how he will fare against the level of competition he’ll face week to week at Notre Dame.

Notre Dame’s Most Complete WR?

Generally, we put players into categories, it’s just something we like to do as human beings. Stepherson is a speed guy. Boykin, Claypool, and Equanimeous St. Brown are tall, so they are jump ball guys. Sanders and Finke are smaller, they are slot guys.

McKinley isn’t small, he’s listed at 6’2 on the Notre Dame roster, but he’s not necessarily big either. He’s not a speed guy, and he’s certainly not considered a slot guy by traditional standards. So what is he? I think the answer is he’s a good receiver who can do lots of things.

For example, he’s not a “speed guy” but then he was taking screen passes 88 yards, and returning kickoffs 91 yards for touchdowns in state championship games. And while he’s not a giant a la Boykin or St. Brown, at 6’2 he is still big enough to use his body to his advantage and do the jump ball thing.

The good news about all of this is McKinley doesn’t need to be pegged into any one spot. He can be effective outside, as he was in high school. He can also be effective in slot, where he played in the spring game, due to his unique shiftiness for a 22o pounder and his versatility as a player.

Effective As A Blocker

Probably the most overlooked aspect when evaluating receivers is their effectiveness as blockers. It’s interesting because it’s something that always come up when evaluating their play, but not when evaluating potential. McKinley has always been a physical player and hasn’t shied away from contact.

Consider that he was an all-state receiver on the #1 team in California, and a top 5 team in the nation, and he is routinely running down on kickoff coverage. And when watching his tape, down field blocking is something he took pride in, and given his size and strength, he was excellent. In fact, his first contribution to the Notre Dame team was on kickoff return, as a blocker for CJ Sanders.

McKinley isn’t alone in this area. Boykin and Claypool also have the body type and have shown to be willing blockers. But, this is a plus for McKinley, and if playing time comes down to him and say someone like Stepherson who isn’t as physical, his blocking ability may be the deciding factor.

Overall

I see McKinley closer to Jeff Samardzija type skill with Rhema McKnight’s body type. The thing about McKinley that also stood out about Samardzija was their long speed. Neither has very impressive burst, but they gather speed and hold it, allowing them to create separation late in routes. Samardzija was also very good with the ball in his hands and could work from multiple positions on the field.

I’m not predicting that kind of production from McKinley at this point, we do need to see him on the field. But, I do predict that he will not be left out of any “wide receiver at Notre Dame” discussions beyond this summer.
 

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No. This isn't easy entry and I don't see a pic. You don't bod squad based on rumors. Let's see it.

Crusader is the President of the Von Fan Club, so he's gonna have to provide the necessary materials or vouch on his behalf.
 

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Kelly mentioned in his teleconference today that McKinley is likely to RS this year. All the time he missed last year set him back.
 

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Could have had a TD last night if Book looked right on the TD pass to Finke.

Good to see him get that clock but is it related to Kevin Austin's absence? (See his thread)
 
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