'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[zelezo vlk]

Ben started week #2 his rookie year, lost that game remained the starter and they went 15-1 that year.

If he's lucky, he'll get the Phillip Rivers treatment. Sit two years behind a Drew Brees and then take over in the off season.

Screw Mel & McShay, the opportunity cost of coming back, losing the starting job and then being forced to take a grad transfer to reestablish your draft order is astronomical.

His draft stock was always dependent on a pro day / combine results anyways. Everyone can prognosticate all day long about when he's going but what matters is when the team reps get to watch and talk with you in person.

Ben was supposed to sit though, and the offense wasn't squarely on his shoulders. He was in the 20s for passing attempts every game, and didn't go above 25 until Week 16. He played well, but it wasn't the passing attack we see now. It was overall pretty balanced if not leaning on the run game. That's what I think Kizer should see his first year, if the team drafting him is smart.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Would be super excited for Kizer to go to Chicago. Would almost make me care about the NFL again.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Would be super excited for Kizer to go to Chicago. Would almost make me care about the NFL again.

This year's injuries (and Alshon's/Freeman's suspensions) has been a real nut punch. The defense is still playing really well though, and Howard is balling out. I don't really think that any of the quarterbacks are worth a top 5 pick, and top 10 really seems to be a stretch, so I want to see da Bears draft one of the front 7 players that will be available. However, if they get Kizer and they lean on Howard & a RB that falls to them later in the draft (c'mon Chubb), I think that they could be competitive really quickly.

 

[Blaise]

If I am Kizer I go pro.. This is such a weak weak class.. Go Pro get drafted in first round

 

[fitz_bu47]

Would love for him to slip to the Chiefs and become the QB of the future behind Alex Smith. Andy Reid coach him up for a couple years.

 

[IrishLion]

You guys are crazy. Kizer is going to impress people at the combine and in team meetings. He's got every physical tool you could want and is a good kid from all reports. I have a feeling Hue Jackson is going to fall in love with him and take him at #1. If not there no way he slips past Cleveland, San Fran, Chicago, and Cleveland again in the top 10. His floor is wherever the Eagles pick the Browns own falls.

Wait, are you saying that Cleveland is gonna have three first-round picks? Or am I simply confused by the wording.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Wait, are you saying that Cleveland is gonna have three first-round picks? Or am I simply confused by the wording.

No, he was just listing the picks in the top 10. It really looks like the Eagles pick (traded to Cleveland last year to move up for Wentz) will end up around 10, so that's why he listed Cleveland again.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

If I am Kizer I go pro.. This is such a weak weak class.. Go Pro get drafted in first round

Yup

 

[ACamp1900]

You guys are crazy. Kizer is going to impress people at the combine and in team meetings. He's got every physical tool you could want and is a good kid from all reports. I have a feeling Hue Jackson is going to fall in love with him and take him at #1. If not there no way he slips past Cleveland, San Fran, Chicago, and Cleveland again in the top 10. His floor is wherever the Eagles pick the Browns own falls.

 

[JohnnyJasper]

Would love for him to slip to the Chiefs and become the QB of the future behind Alex Smith. Andy Reid coach him up for a couple years.

This would be an interesting setting for him.


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[BobbyMac]

Would be super excited for Kizer to go to Chicago. Would almost make me care about the NFL again.

This year's injuries (and Alshon's/Freeman's suspensions) has been a real nut punch. The defense is still playing really well though, and Howard is balling out. I don't really think that any of the quarterbacks are worth a top 5 pick, and top 10 really seems to be a stretch, so I want to see da Bears draft one of the front 7 players that will be available. However, if they get Kizer and they lean on Howard & a RB that falls to them later in the draft (c'mon Chubb), I think that they could be competitive really quickly.

As the Senior Bears fan here at IE, I say pass.

1. Can't afford to hate him. Which I will if he becomes a Bear because he will suck at some point. It is a scientific law, as predictable as gravity.

2. The idiots ahead of us will get in the QB craze and Myles Garrett falls to us.

3. Corey Davis will be available in the 2nd. SNAG!

4. In the 3rd, take whichever QB has the best combine season out who's available. Webb, Watson, Mahomes or Falk and let Hoyer have the team as the defense continues to get better. Do not look at Kaaya and watch out for Chad Kelly. If he's finally grown up he could be really good.

 

[dublinirish]

watch out for Chad Kelly. If he's finally grown up he could be really good.

Cutler to Kelly would be a heck of a passing of the torch!

 

[zelezo vlk]

As the Senior Bears fan here at IE, I say pass.

1. Can't afford to hate him. Which I will if he becomes a Bear because he will suck at some point. It is a scientific law, as predictable as gravity.

2. The idiots ahead of us will get in the QB craze and Myles Garrett falls to us.

3. Corey Davis will be available in the 2nd. SNAG!

4. In the 3rd, take whichever QB has the best combine season out who's available. Webb, Watson, Mahomes or Falk and let Hoyer have the team as the defense continues to get better. Do not look at Kaaya and watch out for Chad Kelly. If he's finally grown up he could be really good.

I actually agree with all of these. I don't really want to draft Kizer in the top 10, because I want him to succeed and we can't have nice things as Bears fans, so it won't happen.

If 2 happens I'll be ecstatic, if 3 happens then I won't be sober for the rest of the draft. I was actually just talking with a friend today about the Bears just drafting whichever QB falls to them after the first round.

 

[Wingman Ray]

If I am Kizer I go pro.. This is such a weak weak class.. Go Pro get drafted in first round

Man if he goes 1st round with the performance he had this year at ND, I dont know what to say about ND.

 

[gkIrish]

Man if he goes 1st round with the performance he had this year at ND, I dont know what to say about ND.

What do you mean?

 

[koonja]

What do you mean?

Probably that we had a 1st round QB, with BK and Sanford, the QB gurus, and holy cow, 4-8 against a crap schedule.

 

[BobbyMac]

Man if he goes 1st round with the performance he had this year at ND, I dont know what to say about ND.

Your spin needs work.

What it says is they turn out talent! Just another bullet for recruiting. I'd be on a conference call with JT Daniels AND Grant Gunnell when he gets drafted saying, "First come, first serve."

 

[ACamp1900]

It's almost like the quarterback isn't this super, all important, carrier of an entire football team that we just insist on making them out to be........

 

[zelezo vlk]

It's almost like the quarterback isn't this super, all important, carrier of an entire football team that we just insist on making them out to be........

So sayeth a fan of the Cleveland Browns.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Probably that we had a 1st round QB, with BK and Sanford, the QB gurus, and holy cow, 4-8 against a crap schedule.

Bingo!

I get it that a QB cant be everything but he didnt have great stats either. I would bet that the OL, RB and WR corps on ND were better than most the losses on the schedule too.

I get the poor playcalling too but a 1st round draft pick QB is supposed to be exceptional.

Look at Luck. When he was at Stanford, Stanford didnt have walk on water teammates beside him. Luck made a lot happen because he was a legit 1st round, 1st pick QB.

 

[ACamp1900]

So sayeth a fan of the Cleveland Browns.

The TEAM, as a unit, sucks, with or without a QB.

Saying QBs aren't the end all is different from saying they aren't important... EVERY position is important.

Notre Dame has a great QB.... Qbs never do it on their own.

 

[IrishLax]

In losses, Kizer had QBRs of: 93.8, 61.5, 81.9, 6.2, 61.2, 84.0, 69.7, and 38.3

So Notre Dame lost one game despite elite play (Texas).

And lost two games despite good play (Duke, Navy).

And then Kizer was mediocre-to-bad in the other 5 losses... so whatever narrative people want to spin about play on the field and coaching, there's no doubt that Kizer & Co. were let down by the defense in three games. But it's not like he was out there destroying fools and throwing fireballs for 60 minutes in the other 5 games. He was contributing to those losses by not playing at a high level and making mistakes.

 

[Wingman Ray]

The TEAM, as a unit, sucks, with or without a QB.

Saying QBs aren't the end all is different from saying they aren't important... EVERY position is important.

Notre Dame has a great QB.... Qbs never do it on their own.

Except Luck who was a legit 1st round, 1st pick QB.

I feel really sorry for any team that would spend their 1st pick on Kizer. Best case he is a future starter after years of understudy. Worst case, career clipboard holder.

 

[GowerND11]

In losses, Kizer had QBRs of: 93.8, 61.5, 81.9, 6.2, 61.2, 84.0, 69.7, and 38.3

So Notre Dame lost one game despite elite play (Texas).

And lost two games despite good play (Duke, Navy).

And then Kizer was mediocre-to-bad in the other 5 losses... so whatever narrative people want to spin about play on the field and coaching, there's no doubt that Kizer & Co. were let down by the defense in three games. But it's not like he was out there destroying fools and throwing fireballs for 60 minutes in the other 5 games. He was contributing to those losses by not playing at a high level and making mistakes.

Could also be said that he was tasked with an impossible mission in a hurricane and THAT QBR is on the coaches for having him throw so much. Otherwise, yes I can agree with what you said.

 

[Ignats]

Could also be said that he was tasked with an impossible mission in a hurricane and THAT QBR is on the coaches for having him throw so much. Otherwise, yes I can agree with what you said.

Hurricane, spotty o-line play, not much help from receivers, poor play calling, playing with pressure given the defense. Kizer wasn't close to elite 1st round QB this year so I agree, but he really didn't get much help at all.

 

[ACamp1900]

In losses, Kizer had QBRs of: 93.8, 61.5, 81.9, 6.2, 61.2, 84.0, 69.7, and 38.3

So Notre Dame lost one game despite elite play (Texas).

And lost two games despite good play (Duke, Navy).

And then Kizer was mediocre-to-bad in the other 5 losses... so whatever narrative people want to spin about play on the field and coaching, there's no doubt that Kizer & Co. were let down by the defense in three games. But it's not like he was out there destroying fools and throwing fireballs for 60 minutes in the other 5 games. He was contributing to those losses by not playing at a high level and making mistakes.

This is fair enough, but I do think it's fair to say ND had a very good QB all things considered this year... and still went 4-8 bc of a lot of other issues.

Except Luck who was a legit 1st round, 1st pick QB.

I feel really sorry for any team that would spend their 1st pick on Kizer. Best case he is a future starter after years of understudy. Worst case, career clipboard holder.

Luck would be a great example of a great player at that position that can't do it all himself. The Colts too have numerous other issues. As you can see the age old QB tunnel vision annoys the hell out of me. The best teams win because they are the best teams, not because they have the best QB (not that those two things don't sometimes occur at the same time).

 

[ND NYC]

anyone know if he will have his NOTRE DAME DEGREE if/when he declares this year?

#alwaysplaythepercentages

 

[stlnd01]

anyone know if he will have his NOTRE DAME DEGREE if/when he declares this year?

#alwaysplaythepercentages

Can't say for sure, but unlikely. He's only in his third year at Notre Dame and didn't EE.
Another reason he should stay, IMO.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Take this with a grain I salt but on a ND football Facebook group someone posted this morning that they met Kizer on campus today and that "he gone." Could be hogwash, just thought I'd mention it.

 

[dwshade]

As the Senior Bears fan here at IE, I say pass.

1. Can't afford to hate him. Which I will if he becomes a Bear because he will suck at some point. It is a scientific law, as predictable as gravity.

2. The idiots ahead of us will get in the QB craze and Myles Garrett falls to us.

3. Corey Davis will be available in the 2nd. SNAG!

4. In the 3rd, take whichever QB has the best combine season out who's available. Webb, Watson, Mahomes or Falk and let Hoyer have the team as the defense continues to get better. Do not look at Kaaya and watch out for Chad Kelly. If he's finally grown up he could be really good.

Corey Davis won't get out of round one.