'14 AL RB Bo Scarbrough (Alabama Verbal)

[Cali_domer]

@TomLoy247: What I'm hearing on five-star running back Bo Scarbrough. #NotreDame eliminated or still in it? --- 7pm Update. What I'm Hearing On Bo Scarbrough (UPDATED) (VIP)

Anyone wanna decipher what we all know this is gonna say..

Were out Loy. Give it up.

Loy knows I have a 100 million riding on this.... Loy is a team player.

 

[Irish_irish]

@ISDUpdate: Confirmed report that 2014 RB Bo Scarbrough has eliminated #NotreDame. (Premium) Irish Sports Daily Forums

Take a lap Loy.

While I think Bo probably has eliminated ND, I'm starting to seriously doubt the legitimacy of ISD's "sources" and I'm surprised they don't seem to be called out much on here with the amount of bad info they have.

Off the top of my head I can think of a few big errors that they have made:

1: Yeargin was supposedly favouring Florida while Wiltfong and Loy had him favouring ND. Commits to ND a day or two after ISD's claim in their Intel that he was leaning towards Florida.

2: The McKenzie fiasco. Loy got a lot of stick for the way he covered the McKenzie commitment while ISD, however it seems in the end he was actually correct. IIRC ISD were saying that McKenzie had talked to Alford and ok'd the commitment with the ND staff before announcing it. But in interviews the next day McKenzie was quoted as saying he hadn't spoken to Alford about the commitment yet.

3: In last weeks ISD Intel, after 247 had let the cat out of the bag about Barnett's plan to commit this past weekend, Christian said that Barnett hadn't actually decided if he was going to commit yet. However in Loy's article about the commitment he actually thanked Barnett for letting 247 know earlier in the week that he was planning to commit, I think Scout had that information as well.

4: Last weeks ISD also had a quote from a source that said Erik Brown was done with his recruitment after switching to Washington and there would be no more contact with ND. That same day or the day previously Wiltfong said Brown had already been talking to ND staff after switching his commitment. Obviously this hasn't been confirmed one way or another, but I'd tend to side with Wiltfong.

And I'm sure there's numerous other instances as well.

Sorry for the rant, but I don't get why Loy is criticized so much while ISD seem to get away with a lot of bad information.

 

[Irish Man3]

IMO we never had a real shot here.

So he visited and we never had a real shot?

I don't understand. ND got their shot to sell themselves and what they had to offer. Was it likely? Probably not being that he's from Alabamas back yard.

I'm not calling anyone out in any way. I'm legitimately curious as to what other reasons people are being told as to why he's not interested?

 

[Redbar]

So he visited and we never had a real shot?

Every guy that visits is not necessarily looking to be sold, there are a number of other reasons why someone might visit a school.

I don't understand. ND got their shot to sell themselves and what they had to offer. Was it likely? Probably not being that he's from Alabamas back yard.

Sounds like you answered your own question right there.

I'm not calling anyone out in any way. I'm legitimately curious as to what other reasons people are being told as to why he's not interested?

I personally wasn't told anything, if you need a source, I'd have to call it a hunch.

 

[Pa Golden Tate Fan]

@TomLoy247: What I'm hearing on five-star running back Bo Scarbrough. #NotreDame eliminated or still in it? --- 7pm Update. What I'm Hearing On Bo Scarbrough (UPDATED) (VIP)

Anyone wanna decipher what we all know this is gonna say..

Were out Loy. Give it up.

Bo talked with Alford yesterday. They talked about Alford visting Bo next week at IMG. It comes down whether he will qualify academically. ND believes they are still in the hunt.

 

[NDinL.A.]

While I think Bo probably has eliminated ND, I'm starting to seriously doubt the legitimacy of ISD's "sources" and I'm surprised they don't seem to be called out much on here with the amount of bad info they have.

ISD and Wiltfong are about as legit as you're going to find. Other than TP, I've heard the best inside, legit dirt from the guys at ISD, a lot of stuff they can't even print but invariably comes true.

Off the top of my head I can think of a few big errors that they have made:

1: Yeargin was supposedly favouring Florida while Wiltfong and Loy had him favouring ND. Commits to ND a day or two after ISD's claim in their Intel that he was leaning towards Florida.

Yeargin was absolutely favoring FL...he even tried to commit and they said no to him. Then he committed to Notre Dame. They nailed that one; problem was FL didn't want him after all as I believe they got better players in their eyes to commit.

2: The McKenzie fiasco. Loy got a lot of stick for the way he covered the McKenzie commitment while ISD, however it seems in the end he was actually correct. IIRC ISD were saying that McKenzie had talked to Alford and ok'd the commitment with the ND staff before announcing it. But in interviews the next day McKenzie was quoted as saying he hadn't spoken to Alford about the commitment yet.

I can't speak on that one. I do know that they've said for a lonnnnnng time that Mackenzie had ND as his leader, even when some were reporting that Mackenzie had WVU as his leader, and consistently said his scores were the only issue from him being a commit. They've been right on that.

3: In last weeks ISD Intel, after 247 had let the cat out of the bag about Barnett's plan to commit this past weekend, Christian said that Barnett hadn't actually decided if he was going to commit yet. However in Loy's article about the commitment he actually thanked Barnett for letting 247 know earlier in the week that he was planning to commit, I think Scout had that information as well.

Christian has been all over the Barnett thing from the jump. But since I started reading Mike Frank years ago, they have always been about letting the recruit have their day rather than being first to report something. 247 let the cat out of the bag, but ISD did right by their source and remained silent on it.

I can say that Christian (ISD's recruitnik) made it to SB this weekend for the game. We talked at the tailgate and I asked him about Barnett, and he admitted that Barnett was coming to the game to commit to ND. Christian was talking to Blake's dad as they were boarding their 2nd flight in Minnesota. They had missed their 2nd flight and had to wait for another flight from Minnesota to Chicago, so they didn't get to Chicago until about one in the afternoon and were hoping to get to the game by kick-off. So Christian was all over this one. He shouldn't be criticized for keeping his word.

4: Last weeks ISD also had a quote from a source that said Erik Brown was done with his recruitment after switching to Washington and there would be no more contact with ND. That same day or the day previously Wiltfong said Brown had already been talking to ND staff after switching his commitment. Obviously this hasn't been confirmed one way or another, but I'd tend to side with Wiltfong.

I don't know about this one either. But guys are wrong...happens all the time in recruiting, even to Wiltfong. Sometimes their sources are just wrong. I remember last year Priest Willis had someone in his camp telling ISD that ND was right in it, and that source was wrong. Happens to everyone. This year ISD has been adamant that they are still in a VERY good spot with Juju, which I disagree with. But I will say that when I heard who their source is, I will agree that it is legit (still don't see him at ND though lol, and Christian did say that it all depends on who USC hires - there was zero chance in hell that Juju was going to play for Kiffy, but his firing threw a wrench in everything).

And I'm sure there's numerous other instances as well.

Sorry for the rant, but I don't get why Loy is criticized so much while ISD seem to get away with a lot of bad information.

Like I said, ISD has some really good sources (as do guys like Wiltfong and Sampson). I know I'm biased because I have gotten to know them this past year, and they've given me some great info, but trust me, they're info is solid. And even when they are wrong, they are not just guessing...they have some excellent resources bro...

 

[aubeirish]

^^This. ISD rarely ruin the moment for a kid, as it should be. I absolutely hate when scumbags do that to high school kids. Get your article ready and let the kid have his moment, you jerks.

 

[Emcee77]

@TomLoy247: What I'm hearing on five-star running back Bo Scarbrough. #NotreDame eliminated or still in it? --- 7pm Update. What I'm Hearing On Bo Scarbrough (UPDATED) (VIP)

Bo talked with Alford yesterday. They talked about Alford visting Bo next week at IMG. It comes down whether he will qualify academically. ND believes they are still in the hunt.

Ha, crazy! Loy comes through again!

So was Bo's quote to the Rivals reporter about ND not being the right fit just him trying to save face or hedge against the possibility that he won't qualify for ND academically? Or is the ND staff really the last to know on this? Like, Bo will break the bad news to Alford next week when Alford comes to see him?

 

[irishff1014]

So he visited and we never had a real shot?

I don't understand. ND got their shot to sell themselves and what they had to offer. Was it likely? Probably not being that he's from Alabamas back yard.

I'm not calling anyone out in any way. I'm legitimately curious as to what other reasons people are being told as to why he's not interested?

Hell yea go to ND for free yeah!

Get to go to 4 other schools for free hell yea!

I don't blame him for coming or the staff for trying to get him to commit here. I just never thought that he was coming here to commit JMO.

 

[GATTACA!]

Ha, crazy! Loy comes through again!

So was Bo's quote to the Rivals reporter about ND not being the right fit just him trying to save face or hedge against the possibility that he won't qualify for ND academically? Or is the ND staff really the last to know on this? Like, Bo will break the bad news to Alford next week when Alford comes to see him?

If what Loy is saying is true, i feel like Bo's quote to rivals was hedging in case ND had to pull the offer bc of grades. If Bo knew for a fact that his grades where not going to be good enough i think he comes out stronger in eliminating ND from his list. The encouraging part is that ND still feels they have a shot, maybe Kelly & co. got the the green light to bring in one below typical standards.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

ISD and Wiltfong are about as legit as you're going to find. Other than TP, I've heard the best inside, legit dirt from the guys at ISD, a lot of stuff they can't even print but invariably comes true.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

"ND has as good a chance as anyone right now"
-TP like a month ago

How is this inaccurate? lol

Just throwing this out there not saying this is the case. But if a kid is accepted to multiple schools and he is not accepted to one school bc of a test score. He has a chance to play great football for great teams and get a good education at multiple schools...but another school says that isnt acceptable for them and want him to take a test again to maybe be admitted to their school. From a 18 year olds point of view or a 40 year old point view....why would you take the test again to maybe be admitted?

I dont have a side here. I just want to point out that sometimes the decision is more than recruiting pitches. It does take work and sacrifice to play ball at ND and any other school in the country. But on the reguard of being a dominant football program....this is where ND doesnt stack up. Bo has zero ties to a school like ND, unlike a guy like McKenzie. Now, I know people will say that he isnt sold on ND. If you were 18 and were accepted to 30+ schools that offered you a scholarship, would you pick the 1 that you werent? You can say its all about drive and a need for excellence....but when push comes to shove all these kids that come to ND or any other school see NFL dreams and being the next superstar. Sure, some see the benefit of an education, and I think Bo does, but you can get a great education at other schools. ND has a great thing with their academics and the brand speaks for itself. But you dont think that the alumni at Alabama take care of their own if they dont make it to the nfl? If TJ Yeldon got hurt or wasnt drafted and didnt make it in the league, he would have a nice job with a nice income. You win games and championships, people dont forget.

Its not the most popular answer and its what makes ND special bc of the type of kids they have, and the brand they have built over time. But, its a new age in 2013. ND isnt going to compete with getting the kids that can get into ND off the bat. McKenzie, Bo, Elam, Quick are all difference makers for ND as program. Will they get them? I highly doubt ND lands any of them. I understand that we cant have Lynch's, Tee's running around and not doing a thing in the classroom, but for everyone of them, there are kids out there that have had everything given to them bc they were good at football in high school. ND is place where atmosphere changes kids. Look at all the kids that come in as freshman and you can tell huge differences their senior year just in interview clips. Take some chances on kids. Let them experience ND, let ND change them, if they want to come when push comes to shove.

All im saying is if a kid has qualified for multiple schools, why not let him in? If he hasnt qualified for multiple schools there is a red light. Its something that the program needs to compete on a National Level. Coach Kelly can and will consistently win 10 games a year going forward, but you need game changing talent to win the BCS/National Title games. Why was usc so dominant during their most recent run? Why is Bama and osu dominant right now? They all have game breaking players. Kids that ND just doesnt have plain and simple.

Im going to love ND either way. Id like to see them win a few titles here and there in the near future. But this is the only difference between where the program is now and where Bama is.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

While I think Bo probably has eliminated ND, I'm starting to seriously doubt the legitimacy of ISD's "sources" and I'm surprised they don't seem to be called out much on here with the amount of bad info they have.

Off the top of my head I can think of a few big errors that they have made:

1: Yeargin was supposedly favouring Florida while Wiltfong and Loy had him favouring ND. Commits to ND a day or two after ISD's claim in their Intel that he was leaning towards Florida.

2: The McKenzie fiasco. Loy got a lot of stick for the way he covered the McKenzie commitment while ISD, however it seems in the end he was actually correct. IIRC ISD were saying that McKenzie had talked to Alford and ok'd the commitment with the ND staff before announcing it. But in interviews the next day McKenzie was quoted as saying he hadn't spoken to Alford about the commitment yet.

3: In last weeks ISD Intel, after 247 had let the cat out of the bag about Barnett's plan to commit this past weekend, Christian said that Barnett hadn't actually decided if he was going to commit yet. However in Loy's article about the commitment he actually thanked Barnett for letting 247 know earlier in the week that he was planning to commit, I think Scout had that information as well.

4: Last weeks ISD also had a quote from a source that said Erik Brown was done with his recruitment after switching to Washington and there would be no more contact with ND. That same day or the day previously Wiltfong said Brown had already been talking to ND staff after switching his commitment. Obviously this hasn't been confirmed one way or another, but I'd tend to side with Wiltfong.

And I'm sure there's numerous other instances as well.

Sorry for the rant, but I don't get why Loy is criticized so much while ISD seem to get away with a lot of bad information.

You can only report what your sources tell you. I have heard both sides of where Bo is....but the fact still remains, Loy doesnt have a direct quote from Bo and Rivals had a direct quote from Bo's mouth saying that ND was out. ND has visited kids they knew were trending away plenty of times in the past.

Someone can get a quote from a parent and another can get a quote from a coach. Both pieces of info can be totally different, who are you going to believe? Both interact on a daily basis with kid and are involved in his recruitment. High Schools need to have someone designated to speak for this kids to all media outlets if the kid isnt giving quotes. It would make things go smoother and so there arent multiple rumors being spread. The family and kid can tell that person what they want to be out there and all outlets get the same information. No confusion. Pretty simple lol.

 

[Irish YJ]

You can only report what your sources tell you. I have heard both sides of where Bo is....but the fact still remains, Loy doesnt have a direct quote from Bo and Rivals had a direct quote from Bo's mouth saying that ND was out. ND has visited kids they knew were trending away plenty of times in the past.

Someone can get a quote from a parent and another can get a quote from a coach. Both pieces of info can be totally different, who are you going to believe? Both interact on a daily basis with kid and are involved in his recruitment. High Schools need to have someone designated to speak for this kids to all media outlets if the kid isnt giving quotes. It would make things go smoother and so there arent multiple rumors being spread. The family and kid can tell that person what they want to be out there and all outlets get the same information. No confusion. Pretty simple lol.

and what kind of fun would that be

 

[ulukinatme]

Sorry for the rant, but I don't get why Loy is criticized so much while ISD seem to get away with a lot of bad information.

I don't know who Loy's sources are, and I'm sure he can and does only post the info that he receives...but this exchange still makes me laugh a bit
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/whisk3yjack">@whisk3yjack</a> I'll trust my same sources that allowed me to break the news on Hood before anyone. Thanks though.</p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/statuses/369918354103889920">August 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247">@TomLoy247</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/whisk3yjack">@whisk3yjack</a> Time to step it up Tom, not to many happy customers at the moment</p>— Michael Sullivan (@Sully1921) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sully1921/statuses/369949129201311744">August 20, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247">@TomLoy247</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/whisk3yjack">@whisk3yjack</a> Do your sources know why Starks was dismissed from his school? I hope the sources know how to get past ND admissions</p>— Emmett Brown (@DrEmmettBr0wn) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrEmmettBr0wn/statuses/369977230446718977">August 21, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Irish#1]

Sounds like we're still in the hunt for Bo.

 

[Grahambo]

Sounds like we're still in the hunt for Bo.

Its not really about being in the hunt as it has to do with other aspects that could prevent him from coming.

 

[Irish_irish]

ISD and Wiltfong are about as legit as you're going to find. Other than TP, I've heard the best inside, legit dirt from the guys at ISD, a lot of stuff they can't even print but invariably comes true.



Yeargin was absolutely favoring FL...he even tried to commit and they said no to him. Then he committed to Notre Dame. They nailed that one; problem was FL didn't want him after all as I believe they got better players in their eyes to commit.

If that's true fair enough, but I haven't seen that information anywhere else and Florida have one player committed who could be considered a LB or DE and he is a 3 star. Yeargin always spoke in glowing terms about ND, is there any reports you can link me to that say Yeargin tried to commit to Florida?

I can't speak on that one. I do know that they've said for a lonnnnnng time that Mackenzie had ND as his leader, even when some were reporting that Mackenzie had WVU as his leader, and consistently said his scores were the only issue from him being a commit. They've been right on that.

I think everyone had that info though, however ISD where the only place that reported that McKenzie's verbal had been accepted by ND and that his test scores were sorted out.

Christian has been all over the Barnett thing from the jump. But since I started reading Mike Frank years ago, they have always been about letting the recruit have their day rather than being first to report something. 247 let the cat out of the bag, but ISD did right by their source and remained silent on it.

I can say that Christian (ISD's recruitnik) made it to SB this weekend for the game. We talked at the tailgate and I asked him about Barnett, and he admitted that Barnett was coming to the game to commit to ND. Christian was talking to Blake's dad as they were boarding their 2nd flight in Minnesota. They had missed their 2nd flight and had to wait for another flight from Minnesota to Chicago, so they didn't get to Chicago until about one in the afternoon and were hoping to get to the game by kick-off. So Christian was all over this one. He shouldn't be criticized for keeping his word.

Maybe that is the case, but I suppose I found the way that Christian decided to phrase it strange. He stressed that a decision hadn't been made rather than saying "we feel confident that....." blah blah blah. Maybe he was just being extra careful about it, but with some of the other things I've been noticing recently it's just one more thing that stood out to me.

I don't know about this one either. But guys are wrong...happens all the time in recruiting, even to Wiltfong. Sometimes their sources are just wrong. I remember last year Priest Willis had someone in his camp telling ISD that ND was right in it, and that source was wrong. Happens to everyone. This year ISD has been adamant that they are still in a VERY good spot with Juju, which I disagree with. But I will say that when I heard who their source is, I will agree that it is legit (still don't see him at ND though lol, and Christian did say that it all depends on who USC hires - there was zero chance in hell that Juju was going to play for Kiffy, but his firing threw a wrench in everything).

Like I said, ISD has some really good sources (as do guys like Wiltfong and Sampson). I know I'm biased because I have gotten to know them this past year, and they've given me some great info, but trust me, they're info is solid. And even when they are wrong, they are not just guessing...they have some excellent resources bro...

I'll have to take your word for it, but I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for the next while.

But while I will remain some way sceptical about their recruiting coverage for now, I do still like ISD as a site. They put out more articles about ND prospects than any other site I would say, and they are very good for doing interviews with prospects and their coaches. They also have features like the weekly reports on committed prospects and "In the Film Room" which are a good source of info. So I have to give them credit for that much at least.

 

[NDinL.A.]

If that's true fair enough, but I haven't seen that information anywhere else and Florida have one player committed who could be considered a LB or DE and he is a 3 star. Yeargin always spoke in glowing terms about ND, is there any reports you can link me to that say Yeargin tried to commit to Florida?

That link will not be out there, because since schools can't comment on recruits, you only can get it from reporters (what athlete will admit that a school turned him down?) and reporters rarely go on the record with an actual story with that kind of stuff.

I asked Christian about Yeargin Saturday and while I won't say what he said about his current recruitment, he did say again that Yeargin tried to commit to FL back in July. And if you remember, there were reports that had Yeargin saying that FL was his leader less than a week before he committed to ND. He said that to two different reporters. It's even on his thread on this site.

I think everyone had that info though, however ISD where the only place that reported that McKenzie's verbal had been accepted by ND and that his test scores were sorted out.

I don't remember them saying his test scores were sorted out, but I'll take your word on it. Again, in recruiting, everyone makes mistakes and gets bad info.

Maybe that is the case, but I suppose I found the way that Christian decided to phrase it strange. He stressed that a decision hadn't been made rather than saying "we feel confident that....." blah blah blah. Maybe he was just being extra careful about it, but with some of the other things I've been noticing recently it's just one more thing that stood out to me.

Again though, he knew that Barnett was committing; he was all over that story. It would have been really easy to spoil the kid's moment like others have done, but he didn't. Perhaps he didn't word it the way you prefer, but it doesn't mean he was wrong or his sources were wrong. Like I said, he gave me basically a timeline of everything that was going on and he was spot on with everything.

Cheers...

 

[STLDomer]

One person reported McKenzie was favoring WVU and that was Ryan Bartow. Also one person almost ruined Barnett's moment and that was Justin Hopkins. 2 guys that work for 247 but not BGI. Loy and Wiltfong have been the best in the ND recruiting business of late IMO. Pretty sure Wiltfong had Barnett's commitment story already written up and ready to go a week before he actually committed, he was just waiting for the annoucement. Also the thing about Yeargin and UF not letting him commit was reported somewhere on 247. Wiltfong is by far the best source for ND recruiting, it's not even close. Loy is hit or miss to tag along. I don't have ISD now but I had it for 3 months at the end of summer/beginning of fall and they are wrong just as much as any other site.

 

[Irish#1]

Its not really about being in the hunt as it has to do with other aspects that could prevent him from coming.

I'm on board with the grades eligibility issue. Are you saying if he was to be accepted he would commit?

 

[IrishLax]

One person reported McKenzie was favoring WVU and that was Ryan Bartow. Also one person almost ruined Barnett's moment and that was Justin Hopkins. 2 guys that work for 247 but not BGI. Loy and Wiltfong have been the best in the ND recruiting business of late IMO. Pretty sure Wiltfong had Barnett's commitment story already written up and ready to go a week before he actually committed, he was just waiting for the annoucement. Also the thing about Yeargin and UF not letting him commit was reported somewhere on 247. Wiltfong is by far the best source for ND recruiting, it's not even close. Loy is hit or miss to tag along. I don't have ISD now but I had it for 3 months at the end of summer/beginning of fall and they are wrong just as much as any other site.

They had the story before anyone else even knew he was going to visit again. Seriously. They were WAY out in front on Barnett and had it dead to rights.

 

[IrishLax]

While I think Bo probably has eliminated ND, I'm starting to seriously doubt the legitimacy of ISD's "sources" and I'm surprised they don't seem to be called out much on here with the amount of bad info they have.

Off the top of my head I can think of a few big errors that they have made:

1: Yeargin was supposedly favouring Florida while Wiltfong and Loy had him favouring ND. Commits to ND a day or two after ISD's claim in their Intel that he was leaning towards Florida.

2: The McKenzie fiasco. Loy got a lot of stick for the way he covered the McKenzie commitment while ISD, however it seems in the end he was actually correct. IIRC ISD were saying that McKenzie had talked to Alford and ok'd the commitment with the ND staff before announcing it. But in interviews the next day McKenzie was quoted as saying he hadn't spoken to Alford about the commitment yet.

3: In last weeks ISD Intel, after 247 had let the cat out of the bag about Barnett's plan to commit this past weekend, Christian said that Barnett hadn't actually decided if he was going to commit yet. However in Loy's article about the commitment he actually thanked Barnett for letting 247 know earlier in the week that he was planning to commit, I think Scout had that information as well.

4: Last weeks ISD also had a quote from a source that said Erik Brown was done with his recruitment after switching to Washington and there would be no more contact with ND. That same day or the day previously Wiltfong said Brown had already been talking to ND staff after switching his commitment. Obviously this hasn't been confirmed one way or another, but I'd tend to side with Wiltfong.

And I'm sure there's numerous other instances as well.

Sorry for the rant, but I don't get why Loy is criticized so much while ISD seem to get away with a lot of bad information.

For whatever my views are worth...
1. He tried to commit to Florida and they said no.

2. Loy was FAR more right than he was wrong on McKenzie, and was the most accurate of any reporter. I had my beef with him over this initially, but we hashed it out over email and he carefully explained his position to me and I totally get where he was coming from.

3. Don't look too much at this. It's a dangerous game with leaking commitments, getting the "scoop," etc. and everyone takes a different approach. I know 100% that Loy had the story before news hit anywhere publicly that he was even visiting again.

4. This is another one not to look too much at. You can only report what you've got. If a kid gives you a quote saying "I'm done" then you print that... if a source in the program says he's taking calls, then you can print that if you want too. Recruiting is always fluid, and this is an example where I don't think anyone is "right" or "wrong."

In short, I've come almost 180 degrees around on Loy. He was in a tough position without connections in place at ND, and I know he ruffled people the wrong way with early homer CBs and other reporting. But right now there is no doubt in my mind that Wiltfong + Loy are doing as good of a job as anyone. At the same time, don't scoff at ISD. They are exceptionally professional and, as Hollywood said, they have a LOT of info they won't even print. Any thing they do choose to put down in writing you can believe has been sourced or is first hand.

 

[Grahambo]

I'm on board with the grades eligibility issue. Are you saying if he was to be accepted he would commit?

Definitely would not say that. Just saying that it has less to do with ND itself; if that makes sense.

In regards to Bo's direct quote and Loy, I like to think of Mark Twain who said, when paraphrased, There are two sides to every story and then there's the truth.

Somewhere between Bo and Loy there is the actual truth.

 

[NDohio]

How is this inaccurate? lol

Just throwing this out there not saying this is the case. But if a kid is accepted to multiple schools and he is not accepted to one school bc of a test score. He has a chance to play great football for great teams and get a good education at multiple schools...but another school says that isnt acceptable for them and want him to take a test again to maybe be admitted to their school. From a 18 year olds point of view or a 40 year old point view....why would you take the test again to maybe be admitted?

I dont have a side here. I just want to point out that sometimes the decision is more than recruiting pitches. It does take work and sacrifice to play ball at ND and any other school in the country. But on the reguard of being a dominant football program....this is where ND doesnt stack up. Bo has zero ties to a school like ND, unlike a guy like McKenzie. Now, I know people will say that he isnt sold on ND. If you were 18 and were accepted to 30+ schools that offered you a scholarship, would you pick the 1 that you werent? You can say its all about drive and a need for excellence....but when push comes to shove all these kids that come to ND or any other school see NFL dreams and being the next superstar. Sure, some see the benefit of an education, and I think Bo does, but you can get a great education at other schools. ND has a great thing with their academics and the brand speaks for itself. But you dont think that the alumni at Alabama take care of their own if they dont make it to the nfl? If TJ Yeldon got hurt or wasnt drafted and didnt make it in the league, he would have a nice job with a nice income. You win games and championships, people dont forget.

Its not the most popular answer and its what makes ND special bc of the type of kids they have, and the brand they have built over time. But, its a new age in 2013. ND isnt going to compete with getting the kids that can get into ND off the bat. McKenzie, Bo, Elam, Quick are all difference makers for ND as program. Will they get them? I highly doubt ND lands any of them. I understand that we cant have Lynch's, Tee's running around and not doing a thing in the classroom, but for everyone of them, there are kids out there that have had everything given to them bc they were good at football in high school. ND is place where atmosphere changes kids. Look at all the kids that come in as freshman and you can tell huge differences their senior year just in interview clips. Take some chances on kids. Let them experience ND, let ND change them, if they want to come when push comes to shove.

All im saying is if a kid has qualified for multiple schools, why not let him in? If he hasnt qualified for multiple schools there is a red light. Its something that the program needs to compete on a National Level. Coach Kelly can and will consistently win 10 games a year going forward, but you need game changing talent to win the BCS/National Title games. Why was usc so dominant during their most recent run? Why is Bama and osu dominant right now? They all have game breaking players. Kids that ND just doesnt have plain and simple.

Im going to love ND either way. Id like to see them win a few titles here and there in the near future. But this is the only difference between where the program is now and where Bama is.

If I am deciphering correctly, this was the double secret angle ND was pursuing? BK was attemtping to use some of his "currency" to get a kid in that may not actually qualify?

 

[irishfanjho15]

All im saying is if a kid has qualified for multiple schools, why not let him in? If he hasnt qualified for multiple schools there is a red light. Its something that the program needs to compete on a National Level. Coach Kelly can and will consistently win 10 games a year going forward, but you need game changing talent to win the BCS/National Title games. Why was usc so dominant during their most recent run? Why is Bama and osu dominant right now? They all have game breaking players. Kids that ND just doesnt have plain and simple.

Im going to love ND either way. Id like to see them win a few titles here and there in the near future. But this is the only difference between where the program is now and where Bama is.

I agree. I just do not believe ND can compete for National Titles regularly unless they change their requirements. I like the idea you present about looking at the kids overall acceptance rate at other schools. If they are getting in everywhere they are probably going to be at least decent enough to be able to use the writing lab, study groups, and tutors to stay eligible and get a degree.

Is it really almost all about the lack of foreign language requirements?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I agree. I just do not believe ND can compete for National Titles regularly unless they change their requirements. I like the idea you present about looking at the kids overall acceptance rate at other schools. If they are getting in everywhere they are probably going to be at least decent enough to be able to use the writing lab, study groups, and tutors to stay eligible and get a degree.

Is it really almost all about the lack of foreign language requirements?

Foreign language is common. Some high schools just flat out dont have a foreign language program at their school, so the kid would have to take it online. Online spanish??? hmmmm Then the other is test scores. You have a handful of kids that will get in based off gpa, but dont make the proper test score and they go somewhere else. I cant blame them. If a school wants them and gets them in without re-taking a test, why would you re-take it? Just my thoughts.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

If I am deciphering correctly, this was the double secret angle ND was pursuing? BK was attemtping to use some of his "currency" to get a kid in that may not actually qualify?

No. A secret angle would be recruiting a recruits family member. A double secret angle would be recruiting his family member and a current teammate.

 

[anarin]

I'm trying to figure out why this thread is staying at the top. Bo flat out said ND is out.

 

[Bluto]

I'm trying to figure out why this thread is staying at the top. Bo flat out said ND is out.

It is college recruiting. It ain't over till....well ever lately.