Who is Likely Next (2013)

[Domina Nostra]

someone could tweet a reporter to ask BK how a few rehabs are coming along in today's PC.

Was Welch that bad? I don't think its Collinsworth.

I am guessing Wood or possibly Massa.

 

[PraetorianND]

he was back on bill s king this morning...anyone else hear him...my takeaway from listening to gerry was that folston is going to be nd...and that treadwell is a real possibility. gerry said "nd takes him/makes room no matter how many guys they already have in the class". he mentioned AQM but i cant recall if he mentioned redfield. the big thing for me was the treadwell and folston comments.

So we may get all 4? That'd be amazing!

AQM
Redfield
Folston
Treadwell

= Domination

 

[Whiskeyjack]

My hunch is Massa or Welch

Haven't some people said Massa could take a medical? I would prefer him over any of the 3 you mention above.

That's a good point. Massa has virtually no chance of ever seeing the field, so a medical for him would probably be best for everyone involved, as it would let him concentrate on school.

Could be Welch though, too. And that would hurt, as many expect him to be in the two-deep next year.

 

[Emcee77]

Not really sure where to put this, thought about making a tunnel vision thread but Sapp reports that there could be as many as 4 spots open in this class. He said there are two medical situations that could open space. Could be huge.

He didn't exactly say that there are two medical situations. He said there are at least two remaining scholarships and there could be as many as four "depending on the injury status of players moving forward."

I agree that the most natural way to read that is that there are two possible career-ending injuries on the team, but the comment was vague enough that I'd hesitate to conclude definitively that there are two of them.

I love Sapp's reporting, but his poor writing can be exasperating sometimes.

 

[Emcee77]

The thing about Massa is that he isn't injured. Of all the players people have mentioned, he had the least severe injury, and he's supposed to be healthy now. Or that was the last I had heard; have people heard differently?

 

[clashmore_mike]

He didn't exactly say that there are two medical situations. He said there are at least two remaining scholarships and there could be as many as four "depending on the injury status of players moving forward."

I agree that the most natural way to read that is that there are two possible career-ending injuries, but the comment was vague enough that I'd hesitate to conclude definitively that there are two possible career-ending injuries.

I love Sapp's reporting, but his poor writing can be exasperating sometimes.

Right, I said there could be two more spots open. Sapp usually doesn't say stuff like that unless he is hearing something from the staff. Why else would he speculate about something like career ending injuries unless there is some kind of information being tossed around?

 

[rtrn2glory]

i hope it's not eilar...got hurt last year and i thought he'd be making noise this year, but the rumbling is that he's still not recovered 100 percent. not trying to start rumors, but that's what came to mind.

 

[Emcee77]

Right, I said there could be two more spots open. Sapp usually doesn't say stuff like that unless he is hearing something from the staff. Why else would he speculate about something like career ending injuries unless there is some kind of information being tossed around?

Oh, I'm not saying Sapp is making anything up. But it seemed from some of the comments that people thought that there were definitely two players who had possibly career-ending injuries. I don't think it's totally clear from what Sapp said how many there are. Might be one; might be three.

i hope it's not eilar...got hurt last year and i thought he'd be making noise this year, but the rumbling is that he's still not recovered 100 percent. not trying to start rumors, but that's what came to mind.

I don't think it's Eilar. Kelly said at a presser earlier this year that Eilar certainly has the physical ability to be successful at ND. It just takes some guys longer to pop than others. So I took from that that he just doesn't have the mental part down. Not sure why he's not out there on special teams though.

 

[IrishLax]

The thing about Massa is that he isn't injured. Of all the players people have mentioned, he had the least severe injury, and he's supposed to be healthy now. Or that was the last I had heard; have people heard differently?

Yeah... I don't really understand what you're saying here. Let's throw out Nichols for a second, the others being mentioned are:

Wood, Welch, Massa, Collinsworth.

Wood tore his Achilles, Welch tore his ACL, Massa tore his ACL, and Collinsworth hurt his shoulder. At minimum, Massa's injury is equal to or worse than everyone but Wood. And it could be worse than Wood... because people recover from ligament injuries in all kinds of different ways. Some people go Adrian Peterson and come back legitimately 100%. Some go Cam Roberson and can't compete at a high level.

There is no way you can tell me definitively that Massa... who got moved to WR and tore his ACL... cam back at a level where he can actually compete. If there are two "maybe" medical situations it makes most sense for it to be Nichols (based on reports) and Massa.

 

[Emcee77]

Yeah... I don't really understand what you're saying here. Let's throw out Nichols for a second, the others being mentioned are:

Wood, Welch, Massa, Collinsworth.

Wood tore his Achilles, Welch tore his ACL, Massa tore his ACL, and Collinsworth hurt his shoulder. At minimum, Massa's injury is equal to or worse than everyone but Wood. And it could be worse than Wood... because people recover from ligament injuries in all kinds of different ways. Some people go Adrian Peterson and come back legitimately 100%. Some go Cam Roberson and can't compete at a high level.

There is no way you can tell me definitively that Massa... who got moved to WR and tore his ACL... cam back at a level where he can actually compete. If there are two "maybe" medical situations it makes most sense for it to be Nichols (based on reports) and Massa.

I know I heard when Massa got hurt that he was expected back toward the end of October, and I thought I heard recently that he is fully healthy (can't remember where though). I'm asking what people have heard in regards to his recovery, if anything. As you say, not all ACL injuries are equally severe, and I thought I had heard that Massa's was not particularly severe.

I feel a little uncomfortable with people wanting to move Massa to medical scholarship based on the rationale that he is the worst player of all those who have sustained serious injuries for us recently. Are there rules about that? Don't we look down on SEC schools for doing that? Even Cam Roberson voluntarily went on medical; we didn't force him to do that.

Really, until today I haven't heard that anyone besides Tate Nichols has a potentially career-ending injury, and even that one I'm unsure about (isn't it a PCL tear? Is that usually career-ending?). I'm not so sure we aren't reading too much into Sapp's comment. He is a very hard-working reporter but his writing is bad sometimes. Sometimes I'm not sure whether he is saying precisely what he means.

 

[ThePiombino]

My hunch is Massa or Welch

I'm not saying hopefully Massa, but I am saying hopefully not Welch.

 

[Riddickulous]

Being able to get Treadwell AND Folston would be nice. Just wish these kids weren't getting injured and could play.

 

[IrishLax]

I know I heard when Massa got hurt that he was expected back toward the end of October, and I thought I heard recently that he was fully healthy (can't remember where though). I'm asking what people have heard in regards to his recovery, if anything. As you say, not all ACL injuries are equally severe, and I thought I had heard that Massa's was not particularly severe.

If there is one thing I don't have a lot of, it's injury info. I'd also really like to hear how Amir Carlisle and his nerve damage is coming along... he needs to be 100% next year.

I feel a little uncomfortable with people wanting to move Massa to medical scholarship based on the rationale that he is the worst player of all those who have sustained serious injuries for us recently. Are there rules about that? Don't we look down on SEC schools for doing that? Even Cam Roberson voluntarily went on medical; we didn't force him to do that.

This is a fair point. I think uncomfortable is a very good word. I'd hate to think we'd take someone who can actually play and say "you're going on medical"... but if he can't compete because of his injury, that's a different story. I wish I knew more.

Really, until today I haven't head that anyone besides Tate Nichols has a potentially career-ending injury, and even that one I'm unsure about (isn't it a PCL tear? Is that usually career-ending?). I'm not so sure we aren't reading too much into Sapp's comment. He is a very hard-working reporter but his writing is bad sometimes.

I'd heard a lot of rumblings about Nichols... but no one could even give specifics on his "setback"... besides him you have a number of guys (Wood, Hardy, Welch, Massa, etc.) who all sustained injuries with potential of being career ending if they don't have a good recovery. Very few people come back 100% from Achilles' ruptures. So on one hand, I'd be wary of medical hardships being applied to players with treatable injuries... on the other hand, you saw Cam Roberson back practicing with the team before he opted for a medical which sets a precedent of people accepting medicals if they sustain an injury where they can't compete at a high level anymore and therefor won't ever see the field.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I feel a little uncomfortable with people wanting to move Massa to medical scholarship based on the rationale that he is the worst player of all those who have sustained serious injuries for us recently. Are there rules about that? Don't we look down on SEC schools for doing that? Even Cam Roberson voluntarily went on medical; we didn't force him to do that.

Really, until today I haven't head that anyone besides Tate Nichols has a potentially career-ending injury, and even that one I'm unsure about (isn't it a PCL tear? Is that usually career-ending?). I'm not so sure we aren't reading too much into Sapp's comment. He is a very hard-working reporter but his writing is bad sometimes. Sometimes I'm not sure whether he is saying precisely what he means.

I just want to be clear in that I am not campaigning for Massa to take a medical redshirt if he is a little unhealthy. This isn't Alabama after all. I am just guessing that he or Welch might be the other player.

 

[Emcee77]

Kelly also said at a recent press conference that he wants Collinsworth to start practicing with the team, though we won't use him in a game. That being the case, I doubt his injury is career-threatening. Sounds like Kelly wants to keep him sharp.

 

[stlnd01]

Kelly also said at a recent press conference that he wants Collinsworth to start practicing with the team, though we won't use him in a game. That being the case, I doubt his injury is career-threatening. Sounds like Kelly wants to keep him sharp.

Collinsworth dislocated his shoulder/tore his labrum, right? That's a very recoverable injury.
This was raised in his thread, but perhaps the possible second medical is Hegarty? Whatever happened to him sounds serious.

 

[ThePiombino]

Collinsworth dislocated his shoulder/tore his labrum, right? That's a very recoverable injury.
This was raised in his thread, but perhaps the possible second medical is Hegarty? Whatever happened to him sounds serious.

Torn labrum is definitely not a career-ender for a safety. He should be back and as good as ever, unless there is an undisclosed injury we're not privy to.

 

[Irish YJ]

Tonight's win, and losses have to give us a leg up on few guys, especially the ones visiting Oregon. Perfect timing. What a year....

Quon, Quad, Mack, Max, Mr. Folston,,,,, come on over. Stay a while.

If we win at USC, and I dare not say it.... this class will be sicker than it already is. Sickest ever maybe.

Good to be Irish this year.

 

[Fbolt]

With what Kelly is building and the way the team is producing, it may be the sickest class to date, but I feel that ND will be producing top classes consistently over the next several years-and longer.

 

[peoriairish]

SIAP, but you have to think Redfield was watching these games tonight. I'm literally 300 yards from his high school right now staying at my uncle's this week. Maybe some mid week creeping is in order. I'm hoping my sober self thinks that's also a good idea.

 

[yankeeND]

To be honest I have no idea who we will end up with, however, I have never been more optimistic that I will be thrilled with whom it will be! To add to that we have 2 games that if we win could make it even better! This season has completely restored my faith in what it is to be a fan!

 

[Fbolt]

Les Miles' Fiery Postgame Tirade - ESPN Video - ESPN

we should look at any of LSU's academically eligible players. les Miles is a tool. Leader of young men, NOT!

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Les Miles' Fiery Postgame Tirade - ESPN Video - ESPN

we should look at any of LSU's academically eligible players. les Miles is a tool. Leader of young men, NOT!

The hat said he walked in with 16 or 17 seniors tonight. Problem is, he signed 24 in that class. Nice grad rate you POS.

 

[Irish YJ]

Anyone see any tweets or articles regarding our recruits, and their comments on our new ranking? Have to believe there's some buzzl out there.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Anyone see any tweets or articles regarding our recruits, and their comments on our new ranking? Have to believe there's some buzzl out there.

I've seen several tweets regarding premium articles about reactions from our current commits/ recruits. Surprised no one has posted them here yet.

Note that quotes are not subject to copyright, and can be posted here verbatim.

 

[jmurphy75]

Anyone see any tweets or articles regarding our recruits, and their comments on our new ranking? Have to believe there's some buzzl out there.

Thread on ISD about this, our recruits are happy and most are using "we" alot in their statements. Happy to see they are already considering themselves part of the team.

 

[pkt77242]

With what Kelly is building and the way the team is producing, it may be the sickest class to date, but I feel that ND will be producing top classes consistently over the next several years-and longer.

Agreed. While this season will help us close with the couple of recruits still left, it should help make next years class amazing.

 

[Irish YJ]

Really wish Max would pop today.

 

[a461722]

Big boy football

Big boy football

I went to Alabama and love college football, I hope you win next week and we will meet in Miami. I want hard-nosed defense and running the ball instead of playing Arena football. Congrats on a great season. May we play a good clean game with no injuries and both teams playing to their potentials. RTR.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I went to Alabama and love college football, I hope you win next week and we will meet in Miami. I want hard-nosed defense and running the ball instead of playing Arena football. Congrats on a great season. May we play a good clean game with no injuries and both teams playing to their potentials. RTR.

Welcome to the board. Rational posts like that are welcomed all day long. Hope it is an ND v Bama matchup in Miami. Reps.