'13 WA TE/OLB Danny Mattingly (Oregon Verbal)

[johnnykillz]

He's gone

Douchebag move.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Per?

All the recruitniks say there is a greater chance of him going elsewhere than sticking with ND. Yes, they also said the same thing about Alex but we were able to get him on campus again. If we can get him back for the banquet then the odds will be in our favor.

 

[Domina Nostra]

All the recruitniks say there is a greater chance of him going elsewhere than sticking with ND. Yes, they also said the same thing about Alex but we were able to get him on campus again. If we can get him back for the banquet then the odds will be in our favor.

The difference to me is that we NEED another MLB, but we are alright on OLBs for a little while. I doubt the staff will fight as hard.

He is the kind of kid that I want him if he comes (he has real talent and seems like a good kid), but I would not be too sad if he goes due to Smith and Randolph.

 

[Emcee77]

Oh, the staff won't fight at all, it sounds like. The interesting question to me is who could take Danny's spot from him, before he even officially decommits. Sapp said that if someone we like better comes along, we won't hesitate to take him and part ways with Danny.

So if Deon Hollins decides to make a last-minute trip out for the Wake game and then decides to commit on the spot (two major if's), would we take him and cut Danny loose? Or would it have to be an elite guy who is off the radar right now? Like, Derrick Henry decides he wants to play OLB for us? (I know, I'm dreaming; it's just a hypothetical.) It'll be interesting to see.

 

[GBdomer]

Douchebag move.

Just saying dude if he is visiting Oregon he needs to decommitt. He has been a major supportive of Washington lately. You dont hear any updates from him ever. The writing is on the wall, I want Danny to be part of this class. Sorry if my comment came off like that I didn't mean it to be like that. Don't just single me out when everyone agrees with me.

 

[NDdomer2]

Just saying dude if he is visiting Oregon he needs to decommitt. He has been a major supportive of Washington lately. You dont hear any updates from him ever. The writing is on the wall, I want Danny to be part of this class. Sorry if my comment came off like that I didn't mean it to be like that. Don't just single me out when everyone agrees with me.

There are plenty of our recruits that you don't hear any updates on.

Personally, I really like Danny and his versatility. Who would be possible replacements? Hooper? I would choose Danny.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Per the writing on the wall.

1) You are not 100% committed if you are considering taking a visit.
2) If you are not 100% committed, the coaching staff may recruit over you.
3) The staff is more likley to recruit over you if you there are already 4 solid commitments at your position (2-3 more highly ranked).
4) There is an even better chance that they recuit over you if they need an extra spot for a high 4-star recruit at another position of need.

However, neither side has reason to make the first move.

Just to be clear, I think Danny is probably torn because he loves ND but sees a better chance to play much sooner at some pretty cool schools much closer to home.

That's a bingo (sorry no gif - posting from my phone).

 

[NewBrunswickIrish]

There are plenty of our recruits that you don't hear any updates on.

Personally, I really like Danny and his versatility. Who would be possible replacements? Hooper? I would choose Danny.

I don't want to lose Danny but couldn't Hooper play d-line? That would be one of the only advantages.

 

[GBdomer]

There are plenty of our recruits that you don't hear any updates on.

Personally, I really like Danny and his versatility. Who would be possible replacements? Hooper? I would choose Danny.

O I am a huge Mattingly fan too but ya Hooper would be it.

 

[Emcee77]

I don't want to lose Danny but couldn't Hooper play d-line? That would be one of the only advantages.

True, but with AQM we've already got an OLB/DE flex guy. I really like Hooper but I would much prefer Danny.

 

[NDdomer2]

O I am a huge Mattingly fan too but ya Hooper would be it.

I know you are just wanted to hear who you thought our replacement would be.

Hooper just doesn't do it for me for some reason.

If we were to lose Danny, I would rather just close with AQM, Redfield, then one of Folston/Robinson/Treadwell and bring back a 5th year guy.

 

[IrishLax]

As I said earlier....

If he wants to play TE, I hope he leaves.

If he wants to play LB, I really hope he stays... but even then by adding Randolph he's become a total luxury/redundant recruit.

You cannot tell me that we can't get a better "best available" this year or TE next year.

 

[EddytoNow]

Like others have posted on here, I hope Danny stays. If he decides to go elsewhere I have to believe it's because he fears the competition for playing time and believes he will play more and sooner if he goes somewhere else. His commitment was pretty solid until Randolph joined our linebacking crew. We have a solid bunch of linebackers and you will have to excel to get playing time.

 

[IrishLax]

Like others have posted on here, I hope Danny stays. If he decides to go elsewhere I have to believe it's because he fears the competition for playing time and believes he will play more and sooner if he goes somewhere else. His commitment was pretty solid until Randolph joined our linebacking crew. We have a solid bunch of linebackers and you will have to excel to get playing time.

Or he wants to stay out west. Or the coaches have cooled on him. Or he specifically wants to play TE and is uneasy that we recruited him as a linebacker. Or....

But you are correct about Randolph... hard to tell what came first though, the chicken or the egg. Did we land Randolph because we were uneasy about Mattingly, or did landing Randolph make Mattingly uneasy? I'm inclined to say the former with his more recently stated preference for TE being a key component.

I don't want any wishy washy kids in this class... I'd rather save a spot for next year and take an additional 5th year at this point than take a guy like Mattingly who is wishy washy about what he wants to play and where he wants to play. Guys who fall into the Corey Robinson, James Onwualu, Michael Deeb, Danny Mattingly, Jacob Matuska, etc. category (i.e. committed early, not a 5/high 4 prospect) need to be all-in. All of those guys besides Mattingly are currently not just all-in but straight up EXCITED to be coming to ND as they should be.

I really like our staff's position of if you're looking than we're looking... it's the best way to handle someone like Mattingly. To reiterate, you can't tell me that we can't find a better best available for this year's class or a better TE in next year's class.

Fin.

 

[Emcee77]

Or he wants to stay out west. Or the coaches have cooled on him. Or he specifically wants to play TE and is uneasy that we recruited him as a linebacker. Or....

But you are correct about Randolph... hard to tell what came first though, the chicken or the egg. Did we land Randolph because we were uneasy about Mattingly, or did landing Randolph make Mattingly uneasy? I'm inclined to say the former with his more recently stated preference for TE being a key component.

I don't want any wishy washy kids in this class... I'd rather save a spot for next year and take an additional 5th year at this point than take a guy like Mattingly who is wishy washy about what he wants to play and where he wants to play. Guys who fall into the Corey Robinson, James Onwualu, Michael Deeb, Danny Mattingly, Jacob Matuska, etc. category (i.e. committed early, not a 5/high 4 prospect) need to be all-in. All of those guys besides Mattingly are currently not just all-in but straight up EXCITED to be coming to ND as they should be.

I really like our staff's position of if you're looking than we're looking... it's the best way to handle someone like Mattingly. To reiterate, you can't tell me that we can't find a better best available for this year's class or a better TE in next year's class.

Fin.

I agree. Personally I'm less concerned with what Danny wants than with what we need. I think we need a player exactly like him: a versatile "big skill" guy who can be a major contributor on all of the special teams, with his blocking and tackling, and who can play either OLB spot or even fill in at TE if it turns out that we have an unforeseen need there. I really like him in this class.

But it's highly likely, the way we are playing, that someone will come along who can fill that need just as well or better, or can fill a higher need. If Danny's wavering, then we should take the guy who wants to be a part of this class. We are in a position where we don't have to take a risk on a guy like Danny. He's got to join in or join out.

 

[Irishnuke]

He's gone

Come on dude, that's just wrong. Can't believe you would say that.

it's "HE GONE"

 

[Grahambo]

Or he wants to stay out west. Or the coaches have cooled on him. Or he specifically wants to play TE and is uneasy that we recruited him as a linebacker. Or....

But you are correct about Randolph... hard to tell what came first though, the chicken or the egg. Did we land Randolph because we were uneasy about Mattingly, or did landing Randolph make Mattingly uneasy? I'm inclined to say the former with his more recently stated preference for TE being a key component.

I don't want any wishy washy kids in this class... I'd rather save a spot for next year and take an additional 5th year at this point than take a guy like Mattingly who is wishy washy about what he wants to play and where he wants to play. Guys who fall into the Corey Robinson, James Onwualu, Michael Deeb, Danny Mattingly, Jacob Matuska, etc. category (i.e. committed early, not a 5/high 4 prospect) need to be all-in. All of those guys besides Mattingly are currently not just all-in but straight up EXCITED to be coming to ND as they should be.

I really like our staff's position of if you're looking than we're looking... it's the best way to handle someone like Mattingly. To reiterate, you can't tell me that we can't find a better best available for this year's class or a better TE in next year's class.

Fin.

Can't argue with this. I see no reason why you can't look around while a recruit looks around and as much as I would be happy for Mattingly, I would not be the least bit upset if he took his talents out west.

It's exciting to think who would come and replace him.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Mattingly could play OLB or TE. Of the four guys we have committed at those two positions, he's seems to be the lowest rated. Concerns about playing time would certainly be justified.

I love his versatility, and would like to hang onto him, but as others have said, if he's not all in, both parties should move on. Scholarships are too precious right now.

 

[irishog77]

Assuming AM is a silent, I don't see a huge need for SIX LB's in one class. I'm not a fan of oversigning a position group-- it still creates problems a couple years down the road. Unlike Lax, if he wants to play TE, I'd like him. I think ND needs 2 TE's this year or next year. Why not get him in and playing the position instead of hopefully waiting on a guy next year? Sure, there may be better TE's out there next year, but the odds of ND landing 2 bad-as$ TE's in one cycle aren't great. Danny Football seems like a pretty decent prospect at that position as well. He won't be playing at any position next year anyway, he'll almost definitely red shirt. And if he doesn't want to play TE, then I say hold onto the spot for another 5th year. Just my opinion.

 

[peoriairish]

AQM is a DEish prospect.

 

[Luckylucci]

To Peoria's point Sapp said in a TV a couple weeks ago that AQM will start at cat but most likely move to DE. So will only mometarily be a CAT OLB. Thats what the staff is thinking at this point.

 

[NDdomer2]

There is a lot of talk about finding better TE's. Let's be honest, someone probably said the same thing about a kid from fort Wayne who had never even played the position really. The staff saw something in Danny and would love to have him if he wasn't looking around.

Him looking around doesn't make him a lesser prospect.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

There is a lot of talk about finding better TE's. Let's be honest, someone probably said the same thing about a kid from fort Wayne who had never even played the position really. The staff saw something in Danny and would love to have him if he wasn't looking around.

Him looking around doesn't make him a lesser prospect.

Rod Woodson?

 

[Luckylucci]

I don't think anybody is saying we don't want him. I feel like it's pretty unanimous that we'd love to have danny on board but if he doesn't want to be we're not losing sleep over it. I think he's a good prospect but keep in mind if we close with AQM he most likely won't be a starting linebacker for a few years outside of injury that is. Luxury not necessity.

 

[NDdomer2]

Rod Woodson?

Not sure if serious. But if you are, Eifert.

 

[IrishLax]

There is a lot of talk about finding better TE's. Let's be honest, someone probably said the same thing about a kid from fort Wayne who had never even played the position really. The staff saw something in Danny and would love to have him if he wasn't looking around.

Him looking around doesn't make him a lesser prospect.

Sure it does.

 

[Ironman8]

Sure it does.

?. I mean I think you are speaking to his character and / or confidence then, but is sure didn't affect Tuitt, Nix, Golson, Kap, etc.

 

[NDdomer2]

Sure it does.

Didn't you bash espn for lowering Gunners rating for questioning his decision making?

 

[yankeeND]

Yeah you have to take the good with the bad in recruiting, meaning you win some, you lose some. Him looking at other options does in no way change the fact that he is a great athlete that would be welcomed here.

 

[IrishLax]

?. I mean I think you are speaking to his character and / or confidence then, but is sure didn't affect Tuitt, Nix, Golson, Kap, etc.

Nah, that's not at all what I mean.

Mattingly's value comes from his versatility. He's a jumbo athlete and a good prospect. If he only wants to play TE, his value goes down. If he's not open to having the staff go "plug and play" until they find where he works best, his value goes down.

For example, Niklas was considered by some services as a great OT prospect... others as a DE... and instead he was open to playing OLB in his first year and then switching over to TE. KeiVarae Russel is another example of a kid who was a truly elite RB prospect but came in with a great attitude of "put me where you need me most" (he literally told the coaches that) and as such is a huge contributor.

If Mattingly is honestly as inclined as it has been reported that he wants to play TE then his value as a prospect drops considerably. He could could be great as a TE, but he also might never see the field at ND. If he was open to being a "glue" piece and play wherever he fits best then his value goes way up.

If there is one thing that is a necessity with undeveloped or flexible ATH prospects it's that they have an open mind, a very team-first attitude, and really want to be at the school. Otherwise the odds of them being a contributor go way down and the odds of a transfer go way up.