'13 TX WR Torii Hunter Jr (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[smerky]

The officiating was pretty good?
Let's not forget the missed call where ONWUALU was tackled, allowing Buechele to complete a long TD pass. Had it been called, which I still can't figure out why it wasn't, since it was at Buechele's feet, we'd of had them deep in our side of the field.
I don't know. Maybe I'm just a sore loser?

 

[pkt77242]

Also, that is not why ND lost last night. Twice they got the ball late in the game with the lead and I think on the two series they were able to get ONE first down. That was it. They have only themselves to blame. The officiating was pretty good.

BS.
The officiating was bad. On at least one of their long TDs their OT broke-backed one of our DL right in front of the ref, and they missed a couple of other calls as well that were glaringly obvious. The refs were at best ok, though I rate them as shitty.

 

[palinurus]

I really do try to be objective, hard as it is, but if they are serious about targeting and not having it be a nearly-random, very subjective call, and if the reviewers have the discretion to review on their own (as the announcers said last night), two changes are in order: 1) have NCAA reviewers on the targeting review replay process, not conference reviewers; and 2) review EVERY play where a player is hit in the head, esp. when you have the cheater's aid of the guy being down on the field with a possible concussion. The failure to review was a grievous wrong, independent of what they decided.

 

[irishandy]

Texas certainly got some home cooking calls by the refs.

 

[MJ12666]

BS.
The officiating was bad. On at least one of their long TDs their OT broke-backed one of our DL right in front of the ref, and they missed a couple of other calls as well that were glaringly obvious. The refs were at best ok, though I rate them as shitty.

Okay let's just say the officiating was okay. Can we agree that we did not lose because of the officiating. Heck after they scored to take the lead and we returned the extra point to tie the game we got a break on the 15 yard penalty. Should have gotten great field position but had to settle for okay field position. I don't even think we got a first down. That was not the referees fault, just simply bad execution by the offense. Agreed?

 

[pkt77242]

Okay let's just say the officiating was okay. Can we agree that we did not lose because of the officiating. Heck after they scored to take the lead and we returned the extra point to tie the game we got a break on the 15 yard penalty. Should have gotten great field position but had to settle for okay field position. I don't even think we got a first down. That was not the referees fault, just simply bad execution by the offense. Agreed?

I agree that we didn't lose because of the refs, but I do think that the refing hurt us. It was something for us to overcome. Now should we still have won, yes but our D sucked donkey balls.

 

[MJ12666]

I agree that we didn't lose because of the refs, but I do think that the refing hurt us. It was something for us to overcome. Now should we still have won, yes but our D sucked donkey balls.

Agreed. Very disappointed with the D after reading some of the reports on what was happening at the summer camp.

 

[BobbyMac]

Something I'll never understand about scoring a TD.

If you are running in for a TD and the ball breaks the plane (even if the runner is 99.9% out of the endzone) and is immediately stripped/hit, causing him to drop the ball, it's not a fumble it's a TD.

BUT

If a receiver catches a ball in the air while in the endzone, has full control/not bobbling it, lands and has two feet down (even though one foot down is the litmus test in college) is THEN hit and he drops the ball and that's not a TD but an incompletion.

For a game run by lawyers at every level, the incongruentcy of those rules has always surprised me.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Something I'll never understand about scoring a TD.

If you are running in for a TD and the ball breaks the plane (even if the runner is 99.9% out of the endzone) and is immediately stripped/hit, causing him to drop the ball, it's not a fumble it's a TD.

BUT

If a receiver catches a ball in the air while in the endzone, has full control/not bobbling it, lands and has two feet down (even though one foot down is the litmus test in college) is THEN hit and he drops the ball and that's not a TD but an incompletion.

For a game run by lawyers at every level, the incongruentcy of those rules has always surprised me.

Because the runner has possession. I think it's pretty straightforward. If someone had a completed catch on the one-yard line and then did as you described, it would be a TD. You have to land and make a "football move" or whatever to get possession.

 

[BobbyMac]

Because the runner has possession. I think it's pretty straightforward. If someone had a completed catch on the one-yard line and then did as you described, it would be a TD. You have to land and make a "football move" or whatever to get possession.

I know the rules obviously. They are simply not equal and any explanation further differentiates the difference in the two scenarios.

You have the ball in the endzone for a nanosecond as a runner and it's a TD regardless of what football move you do to successfully end the play.

You have the ball in the endzone for a nanosecond as a receiver and you have to complete a checklist of criteria to justify why you should be awarded a TD.

To be equitable, someone who is running the ball in should have to break the plane and not fumble before being tackled, completing their "football move".

Just saying.

 

[dad4aa]

I know the rules obviously. They are simply not equal and any explanation further differentiates the difference in the two scenarios.

You have the ball in the endzone for a nanosecond as a runner and it's a TD regardless of what football move you do to successfully end the play.

You have the ball in the endzone for a nanosecond as a receiver and you have to complete a checklist of criteria to justify why you should be awarded a TD.

To be equitable, someone who is running the ball in should have to break the plane and not fumble before being tackled, completing their "football move".

Just saying.

Take Torii's incident one step further. What dictates "possession". For those that have the game taped and can pause it at will, Torii caught the ball, landed with one foot, then put the second foot on the ground PRIOR to getting hit in the head. Where does it say he has to hold onto the ball for a specific amount of time? He landed with both feet on the ground and then took a hit and lost the ball. When you don't land on your feet, you have to show control "throughout the reception". Landing with both feet on the ground securing the ball seems to fulfill that definition.

 

[Irishnuke]

It wasn't a completion. If a UT WR had the same thing happen and they called a TD, we'd all lose our shit over the call. It was targeting, it was not a completion.

 

[BobbyMac]

It wasn't a completion. If a UT WR had the same thing happen and they called a TD, we'd all lose our shit over the call. It was targeting, it was not a completion.

Please read first, then respond.

Nobody said it was a completion by the rules that are in place. We just questioned why there is a vast difference between what someone running the ball in has to complete vs what a receiver has to complete.

 

[BGIF]

Something I'll never understand about scoring a TD.

If you are running in for a TD and the ball breaks the plane (even if the runner is 99.9% out of the endzone) and is immediately stripped/hit, causing him to drop the ball, it's not a fumble it's a TD.

BUT

If a receiver catches a ball in the air while in the endzone, has full control/not bobbling it, lands and has two feet down (even though one foot down is the litmus test in college) is THEN hit and he drops the ball and that's not a TD but an incompletion.

For a game run by lawyers at every level, the incongruentcy of those rules has always surprised me.

I had the same thoughts. A receiver makes a diving catch at the 1 yd line, the tip of the ball hits the plyon, TOUCHDOWN! He didn't take a step, he didn't have a foot on the field, he didn't make a "football move". His outstretched body went where momentum took him. After hitting the pylon, he loses controls and fumbles the ball away. TOUCHDOWN!

The purpose to the targeting rule is to reduce injury. Receivers in the end zone ARE targets after they broke the plane with the ball.

 

[BobbyMac]

I had the same thoughts. A receiver makes a diving catch at the 1 yd line, the tip of the ball hits the plyon, TOUCHDOWN! He didn't take a step, he didn't have a foot on the field, he didn't make a "football move". His outstretched body went where momentum took him. After hitting the pylon, he loses controls and fumbles the ball away. TOUCHDOWN!

The purpose to the targeting rule is to reduce injury. Receivers in the end zone ARE targets after they broke the plane with the ball.

Are you sure? I brought up the EXACT same scenario to 3 ex DI players, one a TE and they were like... "Hmm, I don't know. Good question"

I've never seen that happen so I can't say. Have you seen that happen with your described results?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I had the same thoughts. A receiver makes a diving catch at the 1 yd line, the tip of the ball hits the plyon, TOUCHDOWN! He didn't take a step, he didn't have a foot on the field, he didn't make a "football move". His outstretched body went where momentum took him. After hitting the pylon, he loses controls and fumbles the ball away. TOUCHDOWN!

The purpose to the targeting rule is to reduce injury. Receivers in the end zone ARE targets after they broke the plane with the ball.

This is a very good example. Is there some gray area in the rule book here?

Does the receiver not need to have one foot down or dragged in the field of play while or after he catches the ball?


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[Irish#1]

This is a very good example. Is there some gray area in the rule book here?

Does the receiver not need to have one foot down or dragged in the field of play while or after he catches the ball?


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What you have are two completely different rules for TD's. I have no idea why the receiver must maintain possession while a runner doesn't have to after crossing the plane. They need to be the same.

 

[kmoose]

I had the same thoughts. A receiver makes a diving catch at the 1 yd line, the tip of the ball hits the plyon, TOUCHDOWN! He didn't take a step, he didn't have a foot on the field, he didn't make a "football move". His outstretched body went where momentum took him. After hitting the pylon, he loses controls and fumbles the ball away. TOUCHDOWN!

That's not true. I'm not saying that it isn't ever called that way, but it isn't true. In order to complete the catch, a diving receiver must maintain possession of the ball once he hits the ground. In your scenario, the receiver does not maintain possession through the process of hitting the ground, and the call should be incomplete pass.

 

[IrishBroker]

The refs did a decent job. Hope Hunter is ok. I agree that was definitely targeting....but to say Texas got the calls isn't true

UT had 11 penalties for over 100 yards. So it's not like they didn't get dinged

 

[zelezo vlk]

Expected to play on Saturday.

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[Booslum31]

Expected to play on Saturday.

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This is a very good thing! Hunter with ESB and CJ will be hard to contain!

 

[IrishBroker]

Expected to play on Saturday.

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Great news. Glad he's ok

 

[RDU Irish]

Great news - can't wait to see our WR crew take the next step toward world domination.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I really hope he's okay. I don't want him to rush back because we have a big game. I want him to slowly work his way back. He took a missile to the head, his health and safety are first and foremost.

 

[IrishLax]

Out today with a knee injury. Hmm.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

This is unfortunate. I bet he'd be playing if we were up against a more high-end team today. I feel confident that Stepherson will fill in nicely. I like our WR depth and youth. Great things to come in ND's future with ESB, CJ, KJ, Claypool etc etc.

 

[dad4aa]

Heard some rumors of an injury but was hoping it wasn't true. Would be nice if this is more precautionary and he is back next week.

 

[BGIF]

Kelly commented in post game presser that Hunter practiced this week but was not explosive. He's day to day per Kelly.

 

[BobbyMac]

So I guess this makes it official(?) (Did I miss something?)

Is he going somewhere else for a grad year, hanging it up or following Davaris to Canadian super stardom?

If this is it... best wishes to Torii in all that he does.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gonna miss playin with my dawg <a href="https://twitter.com/THunterJr">@THunterJr</a> . Thank u for leading the way for me. Not only on the field but the way u carried yourself off it. <a href="https://t.co/ffDTV614sF">pic.twitter.com/ffDTV614sF</a></p>— CJ Sanders (@TheLifeofCeej) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheLifeofCeej/status/802927078190542848">November 27, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[dwshade]

Well considering he recently got married he'll be doing something that involves making money.