'13 OH QB Malik Zaire (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

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This is where I'm at. I think Zaire could legitamately contend for the spot. They have loved his majority and ability to pick up the playbook early on. He goes into this season with two springs and a full season under his belt. It would not surprise me if he is way ahead of where he was last spring.

Not to mention...Zaire is the last one to score a TD for an ND squad, and taken the field more recently than Golson :eek:grin: Of course, it was the Spring game, but I would have been disappointed if we failed to put any offensive points on the board after freezing our butts off :laugh:
 

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This is where I'm at. I think Zaire could legitamately contend for the spot. They have loved his majority and ability to pick up the playbook early on. He goes into this season with two springs and a full season under his belt. It would not surprise me if he is way ahead of where he was last spring.

Cool, at least I'm not the only one. I really, really liked this kid coming out of HS and I can't wait to see him behind center. I can only hope its as soon as possible.

You don't think losing the QB job for an entire season qualifies as sufficient consequences?

Not really, no. Of course if you cheat on final exams at Notre Dame, you're going to be suspended. That affected his life, now he's gotta learn how it affected his team and earn their respect again.
 

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Maybe he was very solid but I would say that Golson was rather average for the Oklahoma, Pittsburgh and USC games at the end of the season. I find it interesting how many people say that Golson took a big leap at the end of the season.

Here are the last couple of games

Oklahoma 13/25 52% 177 yds. 0 tds. 0 int
Pittsburgh 23/42 54.8% 227 yds. 2 tds 1 int
Boston College 16/24 66.7% 200 yards 2 tds 0 int
Wake Forest 20/30 66.7% 346 yds 3 tds 1 int
USC 15/26 57.7% 217 yds 0 tds 0 int

Alabama 21/36 58.3% 270 yds 1 td 1 int

WF and BC were great games but against inferior opponents (rather like Rees having good games against bad teams), Alabama was a very good game but not great and so was Pitt though Pitt wasn't very good. I would argue that Oklahoma and USC were rather average games. I don't get why a large number of people thought he turned the corner at the end of the season.

The leap won't be found in the box scores. It was clear that he was a different QB by the end of the season: making plays with his arm, knowing when to extend plays with his legs, playing with more confidence, less "Michigan moments", etc.. Hell, he was one of the only 2 bright spots in the NCG (IMO; Daniels being the other). Keep in mind, AS A RS FROSH.

There is no doubt that he gave us more than enough to be excited about moving forward.
 
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A couple things. If you look at Kelly at Cinci, didn't he build up his offense (quicker because he wasn't there as long) the same way, with guys that weren't quite there talent wise, until he had the gunslinger he wanted?

Once he got things moving, didn't Kelly always have two quarterbacks ready to go?

I watched and re-watched the latest Kelly press conference. Didn't he say until they lost him specifically? I couldn't tell from context if he was referring to anything more than the mono? Wasn't he medically out with mono? Might not he have been referring to the common symptom of sluggishness related to the sickness? Because all throughout, last fall Kelly and Martin seemed to consistently refer to his sharpness, leadership, and gung ho attitude. On the last one I am a bit puzzled.
 
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You imagine, based upon the interchangeability Harry is building into the line, that few have noticed, how difficult it is for teams to defend two quarterbacks, one right and the other left-handed?
 

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You imagine, based upon the interchangeability Harry is building into the line, that few have noticed, how difficult it is for teams to defend two quarterbacks, one right and the other left-handed?

That is a unique scenario, never thought of that. This interchanging on the line you speak of refers to switching Right and Left Tackles depending on QB? Could be something to watch out for.
 

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You imagine, based upon the interchangeability Harry is building into the line, that few have noticed, how difficult it is for teams to defend two quarterbacks, one right and the other left-handed?


Just need an ambidextrous secondary.
 

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A couple things. If you look at Kelly at Cinci, didn't he build up his offense (quicker because he wasn't there as long) the same way, with guys that weren't quite there talent wise, until he had the gunslinger he wanted?

Once he got things moving, didn't Kelly always have two quarterbacks ready to go?

His start at Cincy with the QB position was actually much more favorable than what he had at ND. Ben Mauk (UC) embraced BK's offense immediately and was able to stay healthy for the most part. He threw for over 3000 yards and 30+ TDs in BK's first season there. We are all familiar with the opposite that occured with his start at ND... it looked like Crist was getting it together and might turn the corner as the QB BK was looking for, but injuries consistently derailed that momentum between the Michigan debacle in 2010 and his season-ender against Tulsa.

The difference is that BK got elevated QB play over the next two years from a much deeper QB depth chart than what he's had at ND. While Rees was a good QB, he was not the swiss-army-knife-stopgap answer that Dustin Grutza was, nor was he the gunslinger that Tony Pike was. Andrew Hendrix showed flashes of good running ability and had a decent game against Stanford in '11, but he was still not as useful as an emergency 3rd-string QB as Chaz Anderson and Zach Collaros were at UC. Golson would be a tremendous blend of Pike/Collaros (Pike's arm, Collaros's playmaking ability) if he would have put 2013 under his belt.

BK was blessed with good fortune at UC. He had a veteran to carry the team through the first year transition, and then had THREE young guys that all played at an elevated level when called upon in year 2. In his third year, Pike had mastered the offense, but the scariest part was when Collaros replaced an injured Pike for four games and put up even BIGGER numbers (crazy Heisman numbers when projected over a full season).

Not only was the depth chart more favorable for BK at UC with more options than just a Rees and Hendrix, but the younger guys (Anderson and Collaros, the "emergency" options) responded a bit better to development than ND's "emergency" guy in Hendrix.
 

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His start at Cincy with the QB position was actually much more favorable than what he had at ND. Ben Mauk (UC) embraced BK's offense immediately and was able to stay healthy for the most part. He threw for over 3000 yards and 30+ TDs in BK's first season there. We are all familiar with the opposite that occured with his start at ND... it looked like Crist was getting it together and might turn the corner as the QB BK was looking for, but injuries consistently derailed that momentum between the Michigan debacle in 2010 and his season-ender against Tulsa.

The difference is that BK got elevated QB play over the next two years from a much deeper QB depth chart than what he's had at ND. While Rees was a good QB, he was not the swiss-army-knife-stopgap answer that Dustin Grutza was, nor was he the gunslinger that Tony Pike was. Andrew Hendrix showed flashes of good running ability and had a decent game against Stanford in '11, but he was still not as useful as an emergency 3rd-string QB as Chaz Anderson and Zach Collaros were at UC. Golson would be a tremendous blend of Pike/Collaros (Pike's arm, Collaros's playmaking ability) if he would have put 2013 under his belt.

BK was blessed with good fortune at UC. He had a veteran to carry the team through the first year transition, and then had THREE young guys that all played at an elevated level when called upon in year 2. In his third year, Pike had mastered the offense, but the scariest part was when Collaros replaced an injured Pike for four games and put up even BIGGER numbers (crazy Heisman numbers when projected over a full season).

Not only was the depth chart more favorable for BK at UC with more options than just a Rees and Hendrix, but the younger guys (Anderson and Collaros, the "emergency" options) responded a bit better to development than ND's "emergency" guy in Hendrix.

Collaros was the man. I remember watching this when Pike first got hurt and thinking that Cincy's dream season was over when USF had all the momentum.

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The leap won't be found in the box scores. It was clear that he was a different QB by the end of the season: making plays with his arm, knowing when to extend plays with his legs, playing with more confidence, less "Michigan moments", etc.. Hell, he was one of the only 2 bright spots in the NCG (IMO; Daniels being the other). Keep in mind, AS A RS FROSH.

There is no doubt that he gave us more than enough to be excited about moving forward.

Agree. Sometimes the "stats" are misleading and in EG case, I thought he had finally started to figure out the offense late in the season. The game was coming to him and he looked better in the pocket. His decision making improved and while he missed some passes he should have made, he at least was making the correct reads in most instances. The Irish fans should be excited with him coming back. He just needs to get as many live reps as he can between spring ball and fall practice. And stay healthy.
 

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Some people have been talking about Everett and Malik as if the ultimate choice has a major impact on the OLine. I think that we can't answer that and there are several reasons.

1). whereas it is true that mobile quarterbacks like to break the play often and roll out to [they hope] evade pressure, I have seen quarterbacks violate the "commonsense preference" of mostly rolling to their strong hand --- i.e. the are some QBs who, counterintuitively, like to roll away from their strong hand. {this isn't completely nuts as it forces you to square your shoulders before finally delivering the ball, whereas rolling to your throwing hand allows you to just wing it, but with correction for your own body motions forced into the equation. ... same thing with shooting the basketball.}

The point, if I have any, is: I don't know which way Zaire preferentially rolls. If he rolls right [against his strong hand] then he's no different in that particular mode than Golson. If he rolls to his strong hand, then both set plays and roll plays put strain on the Right Tackle to protect his unseeing back, whereas Golson needs the Left Tackle to do that job.

With either guy, in the set-up plays, the blindside tackle needs to be an eraser like ZMart, and the sightside tackle needs to be more of a predictable moving object --- blindside needs to be free to absolutely "dance" anyway he wants so that the rush never gets close; sightside ideally could do that too, but you rarely have TWO Zach Martin's so you put up with "solid competence" there, and let the QBs sightside instincts help by moving in the pocket.

2). so the second thing we don't know about this lefty/righty issue is: how good are our tackles? ZMart is regrettably gone. We have no assurance of an eraser on either end even if we wanted to put him on the blindside. Will Elmer be an eraser? I think so, but next year? or ever? Who knows? Will Stanley be an eraser? I've less confidence in that, but high hopes --- real good? Yes. ZMart quality eraser? Ummmm..... Will McGlinchey beat one of them out? Maybe, but for sure we wouldn't know if he's our next eraser yet ... or Biven, who I think will one day be All-American quality, but probably not at tackle.

Hiestand will have to set up his OLine in Spring practice without much thought for Lefty/Righty but of which best five function best where --- get his Five Fingers of Doom in place with his two best puncher-dancers on the edges and let the QB situation do whatever it's going to do. We don't know nearly enough, even having seen Everett in a lot of games, because our Giant Moveable Wall is no longer residing at LT.

THAT could be the biggest unsung deficit we have going into 2014. The ability to put a player at a critical position either offensively or defensively that you never have to worry about again, because he is just going to dominate his area, is a rare luxury. Let's pray Big Steve is up to filling those shoes.
 

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Don't get too ahead of yourself. I wasn't too happy about hearing how he basically lost interest for 4-5 weeks during the season.

Yeah me neither. During those last 5 games, as I watched live, I'd always look out for him on the sidelines, and he looked quite disengaged and just bummed out.
Maybe thats to be expected though, if you're disappointed you didn't get a chance to play and you watch the guys lose when you think you could help them win.
 
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Some people have been talking about Everett and Malik as if the ultimate choice has a major impact on the OLine. I think that we can't answer that and there are several reasons.

1). whereas it is true that mobile quarterbacks like to break the play often and roll out to [they hope] evade pressure, I have seen quarterbacks violate the "commonsense preference" of mostly rolling to their strong hand --- i.e. the are some QBs who, counterintuitively, like to roll away from their strong hand. {this isn't completely nuts as it forces you to square your shoulders before finally delivering the ball, whereas rolling to your throwing hand allows you to just wing it, but with correction for your own body motions forced into the equation. ... same thing with shooting the basketball.}

The point, if I have any, is: I don't know which way Zaire preferentially rolls. If he rolls right [against his strong hand] then he's no different in that particular mode than Golson. If he rolls to his strong hand, then both set plays and roll plays put strain on the Right Tackle to protect his unseeing back, whereas Golson needs the Left Tackle to do that job.

With either guy, in the set-up plays, the blindside tackle needs to be an eraser like ZMart, and the sightside tackle needs to be more of a predictable moving object --- blindside needs to be free to absolutely "dance" anyway he wants so that the rush never gets close; sightside ideally could do that too, but you rarely have TWO Zach Martin's so you put up with "solid competence" there, and let the QBs sightside instincts help by moving in the pocket.

2). so the second thing we don't know about this lefty/righty issue is: how good are our tackles? ZMart is regrettably gone. We have no assurance of an eraser on either end even if we wanted to put him on the blindside. Will Elmer be an eraser? I think so, but next year? or ever? Who knows? Will Stanley be an eraser? I've less confidence in that, but high hopes --- real good? Yes. ZMart quality eraser? Ummmm..... Will McGlinchey beat one of them out? Maybe, but for sure we wouldn't know if he's our next eraser yet ... or Biven, who I think will one day be All-American quality, but probably not at tackle.

Hiestand will have to set up his OLine in Spring practice without much thought for Lefty/Righty but of which best five function best where --- get his Five Fingers of Doom in place with his two best puncher-dancers on the edges and let the QB situation do whatever it's going to do. We don't know nearly enough, even having seen Everett in a lot of games, because our Giant Moveable Wall is no longer residing at LT.

THAT could be the biggest unsung deficit we have going into 2014. The ability to put a player at a critical position either offensively or defensively that you never have to worry about again, because he is just going to dominate his area, is a rare luxury. Let's pray Big Steve is up to filling those shoes.

Awesome!

What about bringing McGlinchey in at a tight end position, or as an extra tackle. Someone else in college football did this last year and I took note.

In other words looking at a six offensive line unit, and four receivers. You could neutralize a lot of blitzes with this configuration and some quick release passes.
 

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With Niklas we didn't have to do this last year. This year, unless Kelly transitions Matuska into a situational TE, we definitely should have a power jumbo package which looks like that.
 
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I don't think he is a quitter. And I think Kelly would seize upon the opportunity and play both.
 

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Even with an additional 20 lbs, Golson is a slight kid. The odds of him getting through the next two seasons without missing some time is very low. And hell, Golson could be gone to to NFL after this year if he performs as well as some are expecting.

Zaire, as a RS Frosh, is the next man in. I doubt he could transfer and find himself in a better position at any other high-profile program. So: (1) since a transfer is probably not in his best professional interests; and (2) he seems like a smart, loyal and competitive kid, I'm not worried about Zaire bolting.
 
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Even with an additional 20 lbs, Golson is a slight kid. The odds of him getting through the next two seasons without missing some time is very low. And hell, Golson could be gone to to NFL after this year if he performs as well as some are expecting.
Zaire, as a RS Frosh, is the next man in. I doubt he could transfer and find himself in a better position at any other high-profile program. So: (1) since a transfer is probably not in his best professional interests; and (2) he seems like a smart, loyal and competitive kid, I'm not worried about Zaire bolting.

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Lol.

Malik signed up knowing that (barring injury) it was unlikely he started until at least 2015. I seriously doubt he'd even consider leaving, even if he didn't play.
 

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I love his confidence but too much of this out in the open can eventually divide a locker room. Not saying it has or it will but it's a very real possibility.
 
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