'13 MO ATH Ezekiel Elliott (Ohio State Verbal)

[woolybug25]

I just think he's completely innocent. There is no proof that any of those bruises came from Elliot, and there's a shitton of evidence that she was actively trying to set Zeke up for domestic violence to get back at him + get $$ from a settlement.

His guilt is irrelevant. He is involved with MULTIPLE incidents that can be reasonably deemed as "detrimental to the league". It's not just the domestic violence accusation, it's the assault accusation at a bar, it's the video of him grabbing a chicks tit, public intoxication, etc. If the league deems that as unacceptable, they are a private institution with the right to demand a certain level public image.

Again... I wish he wasn't getting suspended. I just feel that as a private institution with a clear agreement for behavior negotiated and agreed with the players, they have the right to suspend him.

 

[T Town Tommy]

A six game suspension with no evidence and a victim that was shady to say the least? I think the NFL really overstepped it's bounds on this one.

 

[T Town Tommy]

His guilt is irrelevant. He is involved with MULTIPLE incidents that can be reasonably deemed as "detrimental to the league". It's not just the domestic violence accusation, it's the assault accusation at a bar, it's the video of him grabbing a chicks tit, public intoxication, etc. If the league deems that as unacceptable, they are a private institution with the right to demand a certain level public image.

Again... I wish he wasn't getting suspended. I just feel that as a private institution with a clear agreement for behavior negotiated and agreed with the players, they have the right to suspend him.

Don't necessarily disagree with your argument but if the fundamental punishment was for the domestic violence incident then I think the NFL overreached.

 

[Domina Nostra]

His guilt is irrelevant. He is involved with MULTIPLE incidents that can be reasonably deemed as "detrimental to the league". It's not just the domestic violence accusation, it's the assault accusation at a bar, it's the video of him grabbing a chicks tit, public intoxication, etc. If the league deems that as unacceptable, they are a private institution with the right to demand a certain level public image.

Again... I wish he wasn't getting suspended. I just feel that as a private institution with a clear agreement for behavior negotiated and agreed with the players, they have the right to suspend him.

It really sounds like you're arguing that they should have already suspended him, or that they already had ample reason to do so. I can agree with that.

But it is the worst approach possible to wait to punish him when he may not have actually done it. It allows him and his supporters to claim a witch hunt, to muddy up the waters, when really he had it coming.

Its jut not the Cowboys way to punish guys when they actually do something!

 

[woolybug25]

A six game suspension with no evidence and a victim that was shady to say the least? I think the NFL really overstepped it's bounds on this one.

Overstepped what bounds though? They are a private organization. If you had an employee that was in the news for two violent crime accusations and on video grabbing a chick's boob while drunk, would you not have the right to punish them? Especially if they signed a code of conduct that specifically outlines possible punishment?

 

[Domina Nostra]

Overstepped what bounds though? They are a private organization. If you had an employee that was in the news for two violent crime accusations and on video grabbing a chick's boob while drunk, would you not have the right to punish them? Especially if they signed a code of conduct that specifically outlines possible punishment?

No contract is going to let the NFL suspend players without cause. If they have a policy it cuts both ways. He may actually have a contractual right to avoid punishment if he can show he's innocent.

So, again, if they are punishing him for the previous stuff, fine. But this is confusing (if he really is clearly innocent).

 

[dublinirish]

it comes back to the "tarnish the shield" line Goodell trotted out a few years back. It's basically anything they see fit as bringing the league into disrepute.

 

[ACamp1900]

it comes back to the "tarnish the shield" line Goodell trotted out a few years back. It's basically anything they see fit as bringing the league into disrepute.

Some get six games... Browns wide receivers get six years.....

 

[woolybug25]

No contract is going to let the NFL suspend players without cause. If they have a policy it cuts both ways. He may actually have a contractual right to avoid punishment if he can show he's innocent.

So, again, if they are punishing him for the previous stuff, fine. But this is confusing.

There is no clause saying that he has to be convicted of anything or that the league has to do anything if proven innocent. He agreed to the contract for reasonable behavior and the league executed on it's right. It's pretty simple.

 

[Henges24]

...and Zeke moves to the 3rd round on everyone's draft boards

 

[zelezo vlk]

it comes back to the "tarnish the shield" line Goodell trotted out a few years back. It's basically anything they see fit as bringing the league into disrepute.

How much does Mara using the discipline committee to deliberately weaken his division rivals and protect his own players tarnish the shield?

 

[Domina Nostra]

How much does Mara using the discipline committee to deliberately weaken his division rivals and protect his own players tarnish the shield?

That's not the group they are worried about. They are worried about bored ESPN talking about the NFL and civil rights for the next 2 weeks.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Overstepped what bounds though? They are a private organization. If you had an employee that was in the news for two violent crime accusations and on video grabbing a chick's boob while drunk, would you not have the right to punish them? Especially if they signed a code of conduct that specifically outlines possible punishment?

I agree that the NFL has the right to levy punishment based on their code of conduct clause. My argument is that it appears to be a bit extreme given the facts we know, hence the overstepping bounds comment.

 

[Domina Nostra]

There is no clause saying that he has to be convicted of anything or that the league has to do anything if proven innocent. He agreed to the contract for reasonable behavior and the league executed on it's right. It's pretty simple.

Right. But being ACCUSED of something you didn't do can't possibly constitute unreasonable behavior.

So it either has to be past events, or the facts that we aren't talking about.

 

[IrishLax]

Don't necessarily disagree with your argument but if the fundamental punishment was for the domestic violence incident then I think the NFL overreached.

Right, if they wanted to suspend him for an aggregate of stuff then that's fine and they should say that... instead this suspension was solely focused on the trumped up domestic violence charge.

 

[dublinirish]

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[irishog77]

Isn't there talk that Elliott hindered the NFL's investigation and wasn't forthcoming with Goodell? If true, his guilt or innocence (in the eyes of the courts) becomes somewhat irrelevant.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Isn't there talk that Elliott hindered the NFL's investigation and wasn't forthcoming with Goodell? If true, his guilt or innocence (in the eyes of the courts) becomes somewhat irrelevant.

I heard his phone was taken into a bathroom for 90 seconds, deflated, and then destroyed.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Isn't there talk that Elliott hindered the NFL's investigation and wasn't forthcoming with Goodell? If true, his guilt or innocence (in the eyes of the courts) becomes somewhat irrelevant.

This. And on one of the radio shows earlier it was said that the NFL does have evidence such as photos

 

[IrishLax]

This. And on one of the radio shows earlier it was said that the NFL does have evidence such as photos

Everyone knows about the photos. They don't prove shit. She got in a bar fight herself around that time, and you can easily give yourself bruises if your goal is extortion. I have a big 'ol welt on my leg right now from an errant lacrosse shot in a beer league game... doesn't mean my wife is beating me, does it?

There is proof -- literal proof -- that she asked her friends to lie to the cops for her and say Elliot beats her. How the fuck anyone going to take someone that does that at her word? All about that $$$ and revenge.

 

[brewdog_14527]

Everyone knows about the photos. They don't prove shit. She got in a bar fight herself around that time, and you can easily give yourself bruises if your goal is extortion. I have a big 'ol welt on my leg right now from an errant lacrosse shot in a beer league game... doesn't mean my wife is beating me, does it?

There is proof -- literal proof -- that she asked her friends to lie to the cops for her and say Elliot beats her. How the fuck anyone going to take someone that does that at her word? All about that $$$ and revenge.

The fight for this may just be getting started. And given Jerry Jones' power within the league, I am curious to see how this appeal goes. Jones has stood by Goodell every time, but this one does appear to be a bit of an over reach. There may be an inverse relationship between the number of games Elliot is suspended and the number of years Goodell stays in his position, if Jones is as mad as is being reported.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

The appeal will almost certainly cut it down to 2-4 games. NFL came up with a gaudy number with that in mind.

 

[IrishLax]

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Further evidence that she had been trying to extort Elliot for money.

 

[NDdomer2]

those blank texts were prolly emoji's i dont think they show on the companys text message records

 

[Henges24]

Wouldn't mind seeing that chick in her birthday suit though...

 

[Irishman77]

Goodell will hopefully be exposed now and resign.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...recommended-no-suspension-for-ezekiel-elliott

 

[GATTACA!]

Wouldn't mind seeing that chick in her birthday suit though...

Boy do I have some good news for you.....

 

[IrishLax]

Goodell will hopefully be exposed now and resign.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/201...recommended-no-suspension-for-ezekiel-elliott

Whole. Lee. Shit.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Goodell will hopefully be exposed now and resign.

I've been saying...

I wouldn't hold my breath, though. This guy has survived the travishamockeries of Ray Rice, bountygate, deflategate and others. Tune in next Thursday if you're into schadenfreude and you want to see a grown man apprehensive about his own personal safety.

 

[D-BOE34]

Can someone help me understand why such (examples) are not followed consistently throughout?

DWI/DUI = 6 Games

Aggravated Assault = 6 Games

Misdemeanor = 3 Games

Felony = Season Suspension

Not saying anything above matches expectations. Change them to fit whatever because I just threw them out there as quick as possible. Hopefully you see my point though. Why the investigation? Guilty? You're sentenced, bruh! If not then fall in line.

Now I could see a fine of $250k because you're expected to not be caught up in situations like that. If you want to argue assholes and one off's then okay but it is few and far between. Make it a $50k fine then. Either way youo set an example of what is expected and that is more than just a citizen. These are million dollar athletes, sorry if I struggle to see a separation in reason.