'13 DC ATH Devin Butler (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[Bogtrotter07]

This thread has taken a rather humorous and lighthearted twist, for starting out on such a sober subject.

 

[Irish#1]

This thread has taken a rather humorous and lighthearted twist, for starting out on such a sober subject.

I see what you did there.

 

[greyhammer90]

Or, it simply implies sarcasm.....which is how I took it, because that's something I would've said.

Calling someone out for a lack of sarcasm while simultaneously missing that they are making a joke. Bravo.

 

[BeauBenken]

Oh you know I will...



Kidding aside, maybe it takes a few grey hairs in your beard (or in your case... a few hairs in your beard ) to understand why there are laws against over serving. Frankly, if you are a sober bartender "maintaining a safe environment for your customers", then maybe you shouldn't feed the 20 year old coed 13 sex on the beach shots. Because she will probably end up kicking some other girl in the face once she gets outside, leading to her friend to one way ticket to don't taze me bro-town.

Inexperienced (and even experienced) drinkers endanger those around them when they drink more than they can handle. So it is even that more important to protect your patrons from those people intent on misusing your services. The Linebacker has consistently over served ND students for years. People have gotten assaulted, gotten DUI's and even died in car accidents after leaving their establishment. But yet they operate no differently than they always have. It's an irresponsible business.

Mistook overserving with overpouring. Nah, load me up fam.

 

[wizards8507]

Oh you know I will...

Kidding aside, maybe it takes a few grey hairs in your beard (or in your case... a few hairs in your beard ) to understand why there are laws against over serving. Frankly, if you are a sober bartender "maintaining a safe environment for your customers", then maybe you shouldn't feed the 20 year old coed 13 sex on the beach shots. Because she will probably end up kicking some other girl in the face once she gets outside, leading to her friend to one way ticket to don't taze me bro-town.

Inexperienced (and even experienced) drinkers endanger those around them when they drink more than they can handle. So it is even that more important to protect your patrons from those people intent on misusing your services. The Linebacker has consistently over served ND students for years. People have gotten assaulted, gotten DUI's and even died in car accidents after leaving their establishment. But yet they operate no differently than they always have. It's an irresponsible business.

Plus, they serve you beer in plastic cups. Plastic cups are for the poors.

 

[IrishBroker]

Oh you know I will...



Kidding aside, maybe it takes a few grey hairs in your beard (or in your case... a few hairs in your beard ) to understand why there are laws against over serving. Frankly, if you are a sober bartender "maintaining a safe environment for your customers", then maybe you shouldn't feed the 20 year old coed 13 sex on the beach shots. Because she will probably end up kicking some other girl in the face once she gets outside, leading to her friend to one way ticket to don't taze me bro-town.

Inexperienced (and even experienced) drinkers endanger those around them when they drink more than they can handle. So it is even that more important to protect your patrons from those people intent on misusing your services. The Linebacker has consistently over served ND students for years. People have gotten assaulted, gotten DUI's and even died in car accidents after leaving their establishment. But yet they operate no differently than they always have. It's an irresponsible business.

Exactly. Any college bar that claims they are "Maintaining a safe environment for their customers" is full of it.


You guys are all adults, stop acting like you buy into the press release speak from a bar owner.

 

[TheChosen1]

Well this should just about do it.


Notre Dame CB Devin Butler charged with resisting law enforcement, battery | Notre Dame Insider Football | ndinsider.com

 

[IrishBroker]

Well this should just about do it.


Notre Dame CB Devin Butler charged with resisting law enforcement, battery | Notre Dame Insider Football | ndinsider.com

Yeah...What an idiot.

 

[tussin]

Well this should just about do it.


Notre Dame CB Devin Butler charged with resisting law enforcement, battery | Notre Dame Insider Football | ndinsider.com

Damn --- part of me hopes that is accurate because the thought of him getting railroaded by shady cops is really disturbing.

 

[IrishBroker]

Damn --- part of me hopes that is accurate because the thought of him getting railroaded by shady cops is really disturbing.

But none of the shady cops theory is true.

It's all just ND fans trying to stick up for their guy.

 

[woolybug25]

So drove through The Linebacker's lot today and saw no cameras outside of the building. Nor does Belmont Beverage have one facing the lot. What intrigues me, is why we're none of the cops wearing body cams (which they have in the SBPD)? Especially when the cop that was "attacked" just happened to be an officer that brutally beat a man a couple years ago? If anyone in the force should be wearing one, it should be the officer responding to a fight, who just happened to get the department investigated for police brutality.

The whole thing smells of straight $hit.

 

[woolybug25]

But none of the shady cops theory is true.

It's all just ND fans trying to stick up for their guy.

You don't know what you're talking about here. There are several inconsistencies in the story, a dozen eye witnesses that claim it didn't happen like this and the cop in the incident is the shadiest officer in a force with a very shady recent history. All with a shameful lack of video surveillance.

 

[IrishBroker]

You don't know what you're talking about here. There are several inconsistencies in the story, a dozen eye witnesses that claim it didn't happen like this and the cop in the incident is the shadiest officer in a force with a very shady recent history.

I haven't read or heard from any eyewitnesses or seen anything credible.

Until then, it's all just speculation.

If you have a source, that's credible, please provide it.

 

[IrishBroker]

So drove through The Linebacker's lot today and saw no cameras outside of the building. Nor does Belmont Beverage have one facing the lot. What intrigues me, is why we're none of the cops wearing body cams (which they have in the SBPD)? Especially when the cop that was "attacked" just happened to be an officer that brutally beat a man a couple years ago? If anyone in the force should be wearing one, it should be the officer responding to a fight, who just happened to get the department investigated for police brutality.

The whole thing smells of straight $hit.

Some PD"s don't have them yet. Cost issues. Just adding that.


And another poster brought up the fact that said cop has never been in trouble or brought up on charges and it's all hersay...?

 

[Booslum31]

But none of the shady cops theory is true.

It's all just ND fans trying to stick up for their guy.

Not sure if you are listening...there should be legitimate concern about this particular cop.

 

[woolybug25]

Some PD"s don't have them yet. Cost issues. Just adding that.


And another poster brought up the fact that said cop has never been in trouble or brought up on charges and it's all hersay...?

South Bend PD absolutely owns them. So you think that it's totally normal that the only cop that beat a man nearly to death and got the department sued for police brutality is the guy that doesn't wear one?

The cop reached a settlement and kept his job. You don't live here or know anyone on the force do you?

 

[IrishLax]

I haven't read or heard from any eyewitnesses or seen anything credible.

Well, others of us have...

Until then, it's all just speculation.

As are the unproven allegations in the police report...

If you have a source, that's credible, please provide it.

Well, you can find one simply by logging in to ISD. You can find another on NDNation. Besides that... what do you want? Phone numbers of people to cold call?

It's too bad there's no video cameras outside. It's also too bad SBPD still refuses to use body cameras, despite them being called for over two years ago by local government.

Hope Devin goes to trial, but I'm sure he'll plead it down to something that goes away.

 

[woolybug25]

I haven't read or heard from any eyewitnesses or seen anything credible.

Until then, it's all just speculation.

If you have a source, that's credible, please provide it.

I'm assuming you're talking about the eye witnesses alone? Because the cop and reputation of the bar are widely known and easily referenced through Google. Both are common knowledge to anyone in the area.

Why would the eye witnesses be talking?

There is a TON of info on why people should be weary of this story. The only "evidence" you are standing on is the desire to give the PD the benefit of the doubt. So I find it pretty rich of you to act like everyone else is being irrational when your opinion is based on opinion as well. Except yours is coming from a PD with a litany of past discretions. Especially the cop in question.

 

[tussin]

Well, you can find one simply by logging in to ISD. You can find another on NDNation. Besides that... what do you want? Phone numbers of people to cold call?

It's too bad there's no video cameras outside. It's also too bad SBPD still refuses to use body cameras, despite them being called for over two years ago by local government.

Hope Devin goes to trial, but I'm sure he'll plead it down to something that goes away.

Will ND wait until the process is over to issue internal judgement? Would hate to see him get expelled and later determined to be innocent.

 

[IrishBroker]

South Bend PD absolutely owns them. So you think that it's totally normal that the only cop that beat a man nearly to death and got the department sued for police brutality is the guy that doesn't wear one?

The cop reached a settlement and kept his job. You don't live here or know anyone on the force do you?

There could be a multitude of reasons he wasn't wearing one. I don't know. Thank you for clearing that up.

No, I don't live there. I do have friends in law enforcement in Chicago. And he's pretty good about filling me in on legal issues with ND players. He was spot on about Tommy and Carlo when that went down. And he let me know about the "unnamed player's sexual assault charge.

Do I have to live there or play for the team to comment on issues on this site? Sorry if I'm interjecting where I shouldn't be if the answer is yes.



Now.....based on what I've read, its all accusations. Lots of departments reach settlements simply to get rid of the annoyance and conserve costs. So that doesn't necessarily mean he's guilty. This cop has never been charged with anything as another poster has pointed out. Doesn't mean he's not a jerk, but you can't just claim he's out to get everyone based on an accusation either.


The most logical story is that Butler was drunk and got physical with a cop because he was upset about the fighting in front of him involving females he had relationships with, and it escalated from there. He even apologized and admitted he was "drunk and emotional". So I'll stick with that.

Doesn't make him a terrible person, but it looks like he screwed up big time.

 

[IrishBroker]

Well, others of us have...



As are the unproven allegations in the police report...



Well, you can find one simply by logging in to ISD. You can find another on NDNation. Besides that... what do you want? Phone numbers of people to cold call?

It's too bad there's no video cameras outside. It's also too bad SBPD still refuses to use body cameras, despite them being called for over two years ago by local government.

Hope Devin goes to trial, but I'm sure he'll plead it down to something that goes away.

Is ISD or NDNation other blog sites...or actual credible news organizations? (I really don't know...just asking)

Because if it's another blog, forget it. They aren't anymore credible as someone on any other internet site that could fabricate something.

Is there any "official" info from witnesses or the like?


And you're right about the cameras. That's a shame. It would clear all this up.

 

[koonja]

Will ND wait until the process is over to issue internal judgement? Would hate to see him get expelled and later determined to be innocent.

Good QU. If so, Butler should drag this out as long as possible so he can graduate before getting the boot.

 

[IrishBroker]

I'm assuming you're talking about the eye witnesses alone? Because the cop and reputation of the bar are widely known and easily referenced through Google. Both are common knowledge to anyone in the area.

Why would the eye witnesses be talking?

There is a TON of info on why people should be weary of this story. The only "evidence" you are standing on is the desire to give the PD the benefit of the doubt. So I find it pretty rich of you to act like everyone else is being irrational when your opinion is based on opinion as well. Except yours is coming from a PD with a litany of past discretions. Especially the cop in question.

That's not what I'm basing my opinion on.

I'm basing mine on drunk college kids doing drunk college kid things.

I don't know Butler from the next guy...and I don't know the cops. But when booze, fights, and cops mix, it's usually the drunk kids in the wrong.

 

[military_irish]

Formally charged with two felonies.

Notre Dame cornerback Devin Butler formally charged with two felonies

 

[Irishcop]

Formally charged with two felonies.

Notre Dame cornerback Devin Butler formally charged with two felonies

Damn, that sucks.

 

[IrishLax]

Is ISD or NDNation other blog sites...or actual credible news organizations? (I really don't know...just asking)

Because if it's another blog, forget it. They aren't anymore credible as someone on any other internet site that could fabricate something.

Is there any "official" info from witnesses or the like?


And you're right about the cameras. That's a shame. It would clear all this up.

ISD is the longest running independent site covering Notre Dame football. It is where guys like Steve Wiltfong for 247 got their start. It is owned and operate by Mike Frank, who has the most popular Notre Dame podcast, and staffed by a number of professionals. They have a post on their premium board that is a first hand account from a Backer security guard.

NDNation is the largest ND free board. It's similar in some ways to this site. Immediately after the incident (literally 10 AM the next morning) this was posted by a reputable member:

Butler's girlfriend (non ND student) got into a physical altercation with female ND student who has been friends with Butler since Freshman year. Butler GF thought ND student being too familiar with Butler while leaving the Backer (she called him Poodle - a nickname they have had for him due to his previous hairstyle). Butlers GF threw ND student to ground, kicked her in the face and head. Giving her a concussion and facial bruising.

Police arrived with Butlers GF over female student who was on ground, police see Butler trying to break it up, Police go after Butler who is trying to help and they all go to the ground - Butler is arrested. Butlers GF and the girl with the concussion were not questioned. Friends of student with concussion try to give report to police, they are not interested. They then go down to SB Police department to give report and are told to come back Monday when detective is on duty.

Conclusion from those who were there - Butlers GF should have been arrested for vicious attack on ND student, Butler arrested for trying to break it up - did nothing wrong/wrong place wrong time, police only interested in arresting Butler, never tried to understand what happened, ND student who has concussion is surprised no one at SBPD is interested in her story since she's the victim/ one with the concussion

How could that person possibly make a post like that at 10 AM with those details if it wasn't from an eye witness? None of the info had been released publicly yet except that he was arrested.

You don't think it's suspicious that the cops took ZERO witness statements?

 

[koonja]

ISD is the longest running independent site covering Notre Dame football. It is where guys like Steve Wiltfong for 247 got their start. It is owned and operate by Mike Frank, who has the most popular Notre Dame podcast, and staffed by a number of professionals. They have a post on their premium board that is a first hand account from a Backer security guard.

NDNation is the largest ND free board. It's similar in some ways to this site. Immediately after the incident (literally 10 AM the next morning) this was posted by a reputable member:

How could that person possibly make a post like that at 10 AM with those details if it wasn't from an eye witness? None of the info had been released publicly yet except that he was arrested.

You don't think it's suspicious that the cops took ZERO witness statements?

Disgusting if true. Literally changes this kid's life because that just cut him out of 90% of jobs he might otherwise have had. Hard to believe this, because if true, it sounds like a lazy, targeted mistake by the police.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

ISD is the longest running independent site covering Notre Dame football. It is where guys like Steve Wiltfong for 247 got their start. It is owned and operate by Mike Frank, who has the most popular Notre Dame podcast, and staffed by a number of professionals. They have a post on their premium board that is a first hand account from a Backer security guard.

NDNation is the largest ND free board. It's similar in some ways to this site. Immediately after the incident (literally 10 AM the next morning) this was posted by a reputable member:

How could that person possibly make a post like that at 10 AM with those details if it wasn't from an eye witness? None of the info had been released publicly yet except that he was arrested.

You don't think it's suspicious that the cops took ZERO witness statements?

Very strange...usually in altercations like this the police arrest everyone who is involved and then sort out charges later. so by this normal proceeding both females and Butler should have been arrested.

This definitely doesn't smell right.

Just hope for Butler's sake he can graduate with a degree from Notre Dame.

 

[IrishLax]

Very strange...usually in altercations like this the police arrest everyone who is involved and then sort out charges later. so by this normal proceeding both females and Butler should have been arrested.

This definitely doesn't smell right.

Just hope for Butler's sake he can graduate with a degree from Notre Dame.

Exactly. Look, I'm not sure how this ultimately ends, but I've yet to hear one person back up that police story as 100% factually correct.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Disgusting if true. Literally changes this kid's life because that just cut him out of 90% of jobs he might otherwise have had. Hard to believe this, because if true, it sounds like a lazy, targeted mistake by the police.

Come on Koon.

I highly doubt he will plead to any felonies and the charges will be lowered eventually. He may end up with some misdemeanors, which will prevent him from some jobs, but not all. And down the road if he does plead to any charges he can get them expunged from his record. or he can take AR and when probation is completed succesfully all charges get removed from his record.