'12 AZ WR Davonte Neal (Arizona Transfer)

[IrishLion]

Cornerback was a Big position Of need last cycle. There are 2 and many times 3 or 4 starting positions ecause of spread and other pass happy offenses. Now add the fact that his only two commits were the least cOmmited, along with green berry, and you have a recipe for potential disaster. And let's face it, Darby had been gone for awhile in reality. Don't you think that it would have been prudent to take a couple of more lesser cb cOmmits to add depth or for insurance? Or at least a couple of athletes who could move to corner?

They've already got athletes who can move to corner in Hardy and Farley, as well as Neal. I would rather have two guys with a year of experience moving to CB than to recruit a big-time project CB who may not play until their senior year, if it all.

 

[OCIrish]

Cornerback was a Big position Of need last cycle. There are 2 and many times 3 or 4 starting positions ecause of spread and other pass happy offenses. Now add the fact that his only two commits were the least cOmmited, along with green berry, and you have a recipe for potential disaster. And let's face it, Darby had been gone for awhile in reality. Don't you think that it would have been prudent to take a couple of more lesser cb cOmmits to add depth or for insurance? Or at least a couple of athletes who could move to corner?

And why do you think Wright, Rios, and Standifer were recruited soo hard from Dec.1st till they didn't either qualify or had tweeting problems?? I can understand if you're new recruiting, but my 4 yr. old understands that $hit..........

 

[Redbar]

Look, ultimately it doesn't matter if you defend Kelly Or not. Or if i attack him or not.

His fate will be determined by what happens on the field. After last seasOns disastrous start and going 8-5 for the second consecutive season, nd needs to much better this or he will be in trouble. I've seen schedule and it's not pretty.

It does matter if you go on tangential rants about Coach Kelly, or what's wrong with ND in every individual recruit's thread. Back to Davonte.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

The problem with moving Neal to corner is that it wastes his talents. Sure, he is plenty fast enough to play corner but he is great with the ball in space and is a nightmare to get under control. Think reggie bush. I hope he stays on offense.

And let's hope some lessOns were learned by Kelly and his staff with recruiting.

Thanks to those who have appreciated my posts and those who have shown tolerance who disagree with me.

Cornerback was a Big position Of need last cycle. There are 2 and many times 3 or 4 starting positions ecause of spread and other pass happy offenses. Now add the fact that his only two commits were the least cOmmited, along with green berry, and you have a recipe for potential disaster. And let's face it, Darby had been gone for awhile in reality. Don't you think that it would have been prudent to take a couple of more lesser cb cOmmits to add depth or for insurance? Or at least a couple of athletes who could move to corner?

Look, ultimately it doesn't matter if you defend Kelly Or not. Or if i attack him or not.

His fate will be determined by what happens on the field. After last seasOns disastrous start and going 8-5 for the second consecutive season, nd needs to much better this or he will be in trouble. I've seen schedule and it's not pretty.

First of all, what's your deal with randomly capitalizing the letter O? If it's a trollism I really have no words for how sad that is.

Secondly, you're statements like,

it doesn't matter if you defend Kelly Or not. Or if i attack him or not.

and

nd needs to much better this or he will be in trouble. I've seen schedule and it's not pretty.

are general, redundant and ultimately useless.

Everyone, including the staff and players know it's going to be a tough road and you can trust they are doing what they deem best to prepare. Kelly didn't lose Darby and just say, awe **** it, we'll get CB's next year. It's been explained to you by numerous posters how this recruiting cycle was something of a perfect storm.

IMO, this year would have to be an utter disaster (like a 2 win season) for Kelly's job to be in jeopardy. If you've follwed the progression of this team the past few years you'd acknowledge that if Kelly can get better production out of the QB we can win 9 games. 2013 will be his make or break year.

Also, Davonte will return a punt for a TD in Dublin. A game I will be attending.

 

[RubberSoul]

You guys keep attacking me and insulting me. Ive never attacked or insulted anybody here. I happen to believe that Kelly handled the qb, season And recruiting poorly. Why is that so terrible? Why does that make me a troll? This is a message board to discuss and vent about noted dame football. Do you guys really not Allow dissent on here?

I do agree that Neal will probably return a couple of pints and kickoff returns for td's this year.

 

[JDAtlanta]

Cornerback was a Big position Of need last cycle. There are 2 and many times 3 or 4 starting positions ecause of spread and other pass happy offenses. Now add the fact that his only two commits were the least cOmmited, along with green berry, and you have a recipe for potential disaster. And let's face it, Darby had been gone for awhile in reality. Don't you think that it would have been prudent to take a couple of more lesser cb cOmmits to add depth or for insurance? Or at least a couple of athletes who could move to corner?

The mis-capitalization of the O's is a dead give-away. TatooU troll!

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

You guys keep attacking me and insulting me. Ive never attacked or insulted anybody here. I happen to believe that Kelly handled the qb, season And recruiting poorly. Why is that so terrible? Why does that make me a troll? This is a message board to discuss and vent about noted dame football. Do you guys really not Allow dissent on here?

I do agree that Neal will probably return a couple of pints and kickoff returns for td's this year.

You have a rubber soul. Shouldn't they just bounce off you and come back to us?

Also, I did not attack you. I questioned you on your affinity to raNDomly capitalize the letter O and responded to some of your other statements. No insults were made.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Doesn't O start Orifice, Oral, Oh well and Oh oh?

 

[NDinL.A.]

Cornerback was a Big position Of need last cycle. There are 2 and many times 3 or 4 starting positions ecause of spread and other pass happy offenses. Now add the fact that his only two commits were the least cOmmited, along with green berry, and you have a recipe for potential disaster. And let's face it, Darby had been gone for awhile in reality. Don't you think that it would have been prudent to take a couple of more lesser cb cOmmits to add depth or for insurance? Or at least a couple of athletes who could move to corner?

If Kelly had taken Ty's approach to recruiting and gotten lesser commits, the SEOND those guys got burned on the field you would have been bitching about Kelly and his recruiting. Actually, the SECOND those guys signed their LOI's you would have been all over Kelly for his recruiting. You don't take crappy players for only for depth. You move guys around or and/or you work your *** off to get better players in the next recruiting cycle.

As for moving guys to corner, you might be an ND fan but you don't know our roster very well. Enough said on that.

And as for having a dissenting opinion, personally, I love it. It makes for great discussion. It'd be boring without it, and that's why you're not even close to being banned for thinking Kelly didn't do a good job recruiting (sorry guys, everyone has a right to an opinion and it's not like Kelly brought home 23 blue-chippers last season. A lot of Irish fans were disappointed with how recruiting finished up).

However, it's one thing to be a dissenting voice, and quite another to come off as an a-hole. You do quite well at coming across as an a-hole. That's why people don't like you. When you learn the art of having an opposing opinion without coming off like a trOll (that "O" thing isn't avant garde - it's distracting and annoying as hell and gives off even more troll vibes), you'll be fine. Until you can do that or until you choose to do that, you should probably stop whining about people not liking you. Embrace your Darth Vader, not your Princess Leia...

 

[Rocket89]

Look, ultimately it doesn't matter if you defend Kelly Or not. Or if i attack him or not.

His fate will be determined by what happens on the field. After last seasOns disastrous start and going 8-5 for the second consecutive season, nd needs to much better this or he will be in trouble. I've seen schedule and it's not pretty.

You've seen the schedule?

How could you be so charmed?

Do you have connections within the athletic department?

Please, show us the schedule!

 

[D-BOE34]

Fair enough. I guess when I vent, I tend t0 rub peOple the wr0ng way. I'll try t0 come 0ff a little less p0laraizing fr0m n0w 0n.

Fixed

 

[Old Man Mike]

1). vent in ways that don't hijack the topic of the thread. This thread is about Davonte Neal, a superb athlete who offers a huge uptick to the quality of Notre Dame football and who should be talked about here in that mode.

2). bring something to the table when you vent. Making griping comments about the coaching staff is irritating but "acceptable" if those comments are made with something other than vague toss-offs or minimalist words apparently posted to just get a feeling off one's chest. Posting one or two liners from a cellphone is usually adding nothing to our discussions and is a waste of everyone's time. When those postings also show no depth of awareness of either the Notre Dame roster nor the history of the Staff's attempts to build that roster, one adds irritation to waste-of-time as a characteristic of the post.

3). respected posters on this board bring some perspective and some honest attempt to try to think about the things that they post about before just spouting off. For instance: the idea of moving Davonte to corner would be couched in an analysis of who we have as alternatives, experts or coach's opinions as to where others see his greatest impact and potential, whether he is a rare enough game-changer that he cannot be spared, etc.... all of these comments-types have been proffered in this thread with IEs outstanding posters giving substance to their remarks. When supported by actual thought and some measured factual reasoned and low-emotion commentary, posts at variance with others' beliefs almost always receive a tolerant hearing at a minimum.

If the board is used as a knee-jerk venting urinal, or a soapbox for self-aggrandisement, reception is appropriately less welcoming. LA is too nice a guy; be thankful that he is such a good mod.

Now that you have caused me to also waste everyone's time and vary from the thread, I will return to what we are really supposed to be talking about by saying that Davonte will succeed mightily at whatever the Staff, with their better look and deeper wisdom, decide to position him as. If it is defense, then I do not think that he will be able to solve our problem at corner THIS COMING SEASON for the reason that Whiskey has brought up earlier: unlike Tee, Davonte is not an EE.

 

[woolybug25]

You guys keep attacking me and insulting me. Ive never attacked or insulted anybody here. I happen to believe that Kelly handled the qb, season And recruiting poorly. Why is that so terrible? Why does that make me a troll? This is a message board to discuss and vent about noted dame football. Do you guys really not Allow dissent on here?

I do agree that Neal will probably return a couple of pints and kickoff returns for td's this year.

I laugh when I read these types of comments. Especially considering my first hand knowledge of the mods allowing aholes like me and NDOM on here. We consistently say stuff that everyone is thinking, but smart enough not to say.... and we're still on here. Happy as two peas in a pod. A completely hetero pod, mind.

Ever think that maybe it's not the board unfairly judging you? That maybe, just maybe... you are indeed the ahole everybody thinks of you as?

Just typin'....

 

[ab2cmiller]

Link to a podcast from BGI Radio in which Jason Sapp provides a lot of good info regarding the recruiting of Davonte and discusses his personal opinion on if he should play slot or cb. They discuss Davonte from about the 4:20 mark through around the 12:30 mark.
bgiradio » The Irish Huddle - March 18

 

[BGIF]

Link to a podcast from BGI Radio in which Jason Sapp provides a lot of good info regarding the recruiting of Davonte and discusses his personal opinion on if he should play slot or cb. They discuss Davonte from about the 4:20 mark through around the 12:30 mark.
bgiradio » The Irish Huddle - March 18

Well, slot or cb?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

noted dame football

???

 

[ab2cmiller]

Well, slot or cb?

Sapp's personal opinion is that he should stick to slot since it's a much easier transition for an incoming freshman.

 

[Irishnuke]

???

Looking down at my keyboard leads me to believe this is an auto-correct. I hope.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Naw, out dated slang for well known women pro-football players.

 

[ChiRish]

Sapp's personal opinion is that he should stick to slot since it's a much easier transition for an incoming freshman.

This was an easy call in my opinion before Tee left. I still think Davonte should be in the slot where is most dangerous and would bring an angle and weapon of a quality that almost necessitates him being on offense, but really, we are going to need to see how the current guys at DB play in the spring. That will probably help Kelly decide going forward. Of course, I could also definitely see Kelly moving other players to DB first before he sacrifices Neal's potential on offense. Who knows. Sucks to be in such a bind at DB.

 

[anarin]

Future Davonte Neal?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Future Davonte Neal?

I was thinking more along the lines of Charles Woodson.

 

[ChiRish]

I was thinking more along the lines of Charles Woodson.

Wolverine or not, Woodson was an absolute beast and still is. Would love for him to end up like Woodson.

Still, think that he is best suited to stay in the slot and play off his skills to try and be the Rocket for Kelly's offense. Or considering how no one could be Rocket, the closest thing to it.


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[Bogtrotter07]

Used to watch Woodson play every year in high school. Know his older brother, who was then an assistant at U of Toledo. Woodson could have played college ball as a freshman or sophmore, started right away, and excelled. Major recruiting blunder by OSU and anyone else who could have gotten him enrolled. It wasn't a foregone conclusion that he would go to Ann Arbor.

 

[STLDomer]

“@BGI_JasonSapp: Closer look at moments before Davonte Neal signing #NotreDame LOI, #Irish workout plan comments & scouting report (VIP) http://t.co/T0JP5QOa”

Help?

 

[GBdomer]

“@BGI_JasonSapp: Closer look at moments before Davonte Neal signing #NotreDame LOI, #Irish workout plan comments & scouting report (VIP) http://t.co/T0JP5QOa”

Help?

Basically Sapp wrote a novel. Davonte Neal knew were he was going for three weeks. Arkansas was the runner up. Will play Slot receiver so please all you who say move him to corner move on. Training hard and cant wait to win a Heisman and a Natty Champ.

 

[STLDomer]

Basically Sapp wrote a novel. Davonte Neal knew were he was going for three weeks. Arkansas was the runner up. Will play Slot receiver so please all you who say move him to corner move on. Training hard and cant wait to win a Heisman and a Natty Champ.

Davonte's words or coaching staffs that he will play slot?

I think he will be our 5th reciever to start the year and probably push past Goodman ecspecially when he gets PT vs BC, Wake in prep for USC, bowl game

WR1 Jones
WR2 Daniels
SLOT1 Toma
WR3 Goodman
SLOT2 Neal

HYBRID1 Riddick
HYBRID2 GAIII

 

[GBdomer]

Davonte's words or coaching staffs that he will play slot?

I think he will be our 5th reciever to start the year and probably push past Goodman ecspecially when he gets PT vs BC, Wake in prep for USC, bowl game

WR1 Jones
WR2 Daniels
SLOT1 Toma
WR3 Goodman
SLOT2 Neal

HYBRID1 Riddick
HYBRID2 GAIII

it seems like your the only one banking on him playing corner.
WR1 7
WR2 18
WR3 34
Slot 1 9
Slot 2 Neal

dont know what anyone see in Goodman. Chris Brown and i believe Daniel Smith will push for playing time.

 

[STLDomer]

it seems like your the only one banking on him playing corner.
WR1 7
WR2 18
WR3 34
Slot 1 9
Slot 2 Neal

dont know what anyone see in Goodman. Chris Brown and i believe Daniel Smith will push for playing time.

I didn't say anything about him playing corner in my last post?? And I'm defiantly not the only one, look at the last 5 pages and there our plenty of others calling him the next Charles Woodson. If he as good as he is rated at corner and we have Brown, Toma, Atkinson, and Onwualu I don't see why not have him play corner but since he/coaching staff said he is playing slot then that ship has passed

I don't think goodman is very good but he's one of our few big guys, a good teammate, and a senior he will be slotted to play at first I think and be dethroned mid year as our 4th reciever

 

[irishff1014]

I didn't say anything about him playing corner in my last post?? And I'm defiantly not the only one, look at the last 5 pages and there our plenty of others calling him the next Charles Woodson. If he as good as he is rated at corner and we have Brown, Toma, Atkinson, and Onwualu I don't see why not have him play corner but since he/coaching staff said he is playing slot then that ship has passed

I don't think goodman is very good but he's one of our few big guys, a good teammate, and a senior he will be slotted to play at first I think and be dethroned mid year as our 4th reciever

Onwualu won't be here this year first off. Second Toma isn't the play maker Neal is.