'11 CA LB Joe Schmidt (Scholarship Earned)

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Diaco, as LB coach and DC, was responsible for 3 full recruiting classes... '11, '12, and '13. He signed two total ILBs, one of which got hurt and the other can't play. His premium on size > all also meant that none of them are really well suited for 4-3 MIKE.

I don't "blame" him... but this is proof positive that recruiting really does matter. What if Schmidt hadn't panned out as a walk-on? Would we have come into the year with literally no one on the entire roster capable of playing MIKE?

It's just sad that we're so bereft of talent on that side of the ball. No impact DL signed since '12*, no inside linebackers signed until '14, and a dearth of players that can function at safety.

*Can you count Vanderdoes? And some of the '14 players might turn out well...
 

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Diaco, as LB coach and DC, was responsible for 3 full recruiting classes... '11, '12, and '13. He signed two total ILBs, one of which got hurt and the other can't play. His premium on size > all also meant that none of them are really well suited for 4-3 MIKE.

I don't "blame" him... but this is proof positive that recruiting really does matter. What if Schmidt hadn't panned out as a walk-on? Would we have come into the year with literally no one on the entire roster capable of playing MIKE?

It's just sad that we're so bereft of talent on that side of the ball. No impact DL signed since '12*, no inside linebackers signed until '14, and a dearth of players that can function at safety.

*Can you count Vanderdoes? And some of the '14 players might turn out well...

Right, right, right. The turmoil on D -- it's almost like there was a head coaching change. Just a complete revolution.

I don't know what to think about that. Kelly consistently said in all his media sessions during the past off-season that the defense would look basically the same as it did under Diaco ... we just might play the CAT as a down lineman more often. I have thought back on all those comments often over the course of this season, because they were complete bullshit. The front 7 and the cornerbacks are completely different and we require almost completely different types of players at those positions, so the system change has horribly exacerbated depth issues that were already bad due to Diaco's pickiness/lack of interest in recruiting.

Again, I really don't know what to make of it. Was Kelly just lying to us? Kelly was clearly planning to change things up at least a bit -- we saw a difference in recruiting even before BVG came on board -- but did BVG convince him to change things up even more after he came on board? But this transition period is tough.

I do think we will be better off in the long run with this type of D though. It just complements Kelly's offense better than Diaco's D did. With a high-octane, quick-strike offense, you want an aggressive D that can get takeaways. It's the right philosophy, but the execution just has to be better.
 

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Right, right, right. The turmoil on D -- it's almost like there was a head coaching change. Just a complete revolution.

I don't know what to think about that. Kelly consistently said in all his media sessions during the past off-season that the defense would look basically the same as it did under Diaco ... we just might play the CAT as a down lineman more often. I have thought back on all those comments often over the course of this season, because they were complete bullshit. The front 7 and the cornerbacks are completely different and we require almost completely different types of players at those positions, so the system change has horribly exacerbated depth issues that were already bad due to Diaco's pickiness/lack of interest in recruiting.

Again, I really don't know what to make of it. Was Kelly just lying to us? Kelly was clearly planning to change things up at least a bit -- we saw a difference in recruiting even before BVG came on board -- but did BVG convince him to change things up even more after he came on board? But this transition period is tough.

I do think we will be better off in the long run with this type of D though. It just complements Kelly's offense better than Diaco's D did. With a high-octane, quick-strike offense, you want an aggressive D that can get takeaways. It's the right philosophy, but the execution just has to be better.

Pretty sure everyone said that he was just smoke screening for how the defense would actually look. And it sure seemed to have worked for the start of the season.
 

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I keep thinking back to BK's comment that we ran one defense the entire rest of the game after Joe got hurt. What? Seriously, what? That's ridiculous and unacceptable.

Who else do we have that can make those calls? Jaylon is probably it, and he's only a sophomore. When your defensive roster has been decimated by draft/ graduation, injury and suspension, contingency planning is implausible simply due to a lack of bodies.

To this point, for example, we have massive D-Line depth issues. Day and Cage getting hurt should not render our defense crippled. We all knew, or should have known, that the D-Line recruiting was very average at best. Cage is not talented/experienced enough to be getting meaningful minutes on a top 25 team. But he is, because we came into this season with no depth.

See Lax's post above. Some of the blame for that obviously falls on Kelly as HC, but I think a lot of it goes to Diaco as well. As soon as BvG came on board, we sent out a ton of DL and LB offers. The 2015 crop of LBs already looks better than any class that Diaco brought in, and we've at least got #s on the DL, too. Whether or not we'll ever be able to recruit DL as well as the SEC does is another discussion entirely, but I doubt we can.
 

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Who else do we have that can make those calls? Jaylon is probably it, and he's only a sophomore. When your defensive roster has been decimated by draft/ graduation, injury and suspension, contingency planning is implausible simply due to a lack of bodies.
I think Jaylon being is sophomore is a pretty weak excuse when we're running an entirely new defensive scheme. Joe Schmidt had no more experience under BVG than Jaylon Smith or Andrew Trumbetti for that matter. I think your use of the term "contingency planning" is illustrative. We didn't have a plan of "IF Joe goes down, we do X." Instead, we acted like he'd always be there and then when he did go down, we acted like an injury to your defensive play caller is something we never could have considered happening.

See Lax's post above. Some of the blame for that obviously falls on Kelly as HC, but I think a lot of it goes to Diaco as well. As soon as BvG came on board, we sent out a ton of DL and LB offers. The 2015 crop of LBs already looks better than any class that Diaco brought in, and we've at least got #s on the DL, too. Whether or not we'll ever be able to recruit DL as well as the SEC does is another discussion entirely, but I doubt we can.
Is there an element here of forcing a system on incompatible personnel? I'm a big believer in coaching towards the players you have rather than trying to fit your square pegs into a round hole.
 

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Who else do we have that can make those calls? Jaylon is probably it, and he's only a sophomore. When your defensive roster has been decimated by draft/ graduation, injury and suspension, contingency planning is implausible simply due to a lack of bodies.

How do you not have somebody?? The moment Joe Schmidt becomes Plan A, it's the obligation of the staff to do whatever it takes to get a new plan B prepared. If plan B = disaster, that's completely on the staff. I don't care who is hurt or suspended. Get somebody prepared. Anyone. Just do it. They get paid hundreds of thousands to figure it out, not me.

See Lax's post above. Some of the blame for that obviously falls on Kelly as HC, but I think a lot of it goes to Diaco as well. As soon as BvG came on board, we sent out a ton of DL and LB offers. The 2015 crop of LBs already looks better than any class that Diaco brought in, and we've at least got #s on the DL, too. Whether or not we'll ever be able to recruit DL as well as the SEC does is another discussion entirely, but I doubt we can.

Look, if Diaco sucked at recruiting, it's ultimately BK's fault that he relied on Diaco. BK can't be so disconnected from recruiting on that side of the ball that recruiting 2 ILBs didn't raise a red flag. And if he is that disconnected, that's his fault. I'm just to the point where I'm not going to give BK passes anymore, as much as I like him.
 

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See Lax's post above. Some of the blame for that obviously falls on Kelly as HC, but I think a lot of it goes to Diaco as well. As soon as BvG came on board, we sent out a ton of DL and LB offers. The 2015 crop of LBs already looks better than any class that Diaco brought in, and we've at least got #s on the DL, too. Whether or not we'll ever be able to recruit DL as well as the SEC does is another discussion entirely, but I doubt we can.

What's sad though is that those LBs in '15 are probably all 1-2 years away in terms of physical development from contributing. The exception is Coney, but he hasn't played a bunch of true MIKE, and I'm also not sure he sticks.

My prayer for next year is that we stay perfectly healthy and with Schmidt back run:
SAM-Smith/Tranquil(NICKEL)/Hill(situational rusher)
MIKE-Schmidt/Morgan
WILL-Martini/Smith(NICKEL)

That'd be a really solid 2 deep. Next year. Assuming Morgan improves. Remember... Te'o was freaking terrible his first year, and pretty bad his second, before the light going on his third season. Got to pray that Morgan continues to grow. It's clear from limited snaps that Martini is WAY ahead of him mentally right now.
 

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Pretty sure everyone said that he was just smoke screening for how the defense would actually look. And it sure seemed to have worked for the start of the season.

I guess you are right. I do remember people saying that, now that you mention, but it seemed very tinfoil-hat to me at the time and I never bought it. I had a hard time believing that Kelly would lie to the entire world. But apparently he did, and as you say ... it worked for four games.
EDIT: great point on this by Whiskey below
 
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I think Jaylon being is sophomore is a pretty weak excuse when we're running an entirely new defensive scheme. Joe Schmidt had no more experience under BVG than Jaylon Smith or Andrew Trumbetti for that matter.

Jaylon had never played ILB before this season, whereas that's the only position Schmidt has ever played.

I think your use of the term "contingency planning" is illustrative. We didn't have a plan of "IF Joe goes down, we do X." Instead, we acted like he'd always be there and then when he did go down, we acted like an injury to your defensive play caller is something we never could have considered happening.

My argument is that "Schmidt QBs the youngest ND defense in recent memory" was already Plan E. When you're dealing with a decimated defensive roster, there comes a point where "next man in" is unworkable because that guy is either a true freshman or a walk-on.

Is there an element here of forcing a system on incompatible personnel? I'm a big believer in coaching towards the players you have rather than trying to fit your square pegs into a round hole.

Absolutely. See the posts above by Lax and Emcee. The roster hole at ILB and DL that Diaco had created before he left made it so that a scheme change was almost mandatory. We simply didn't have the personnel to run a 3-4 anymore. Which is exacerbating our current depth issues, because we now have a lot of square pegs that don't fit into BvG's round holes. Kelly obviously can't come out and say that, which is why we heard the bullsh!t about this year's defense being more or less unchanged from last year, but we're definitely experiencing some growth pains as we transition schemes.

How do you not have somebody?? The moment Joe Schmidt becomes Plan A, it's the obligation of the staff to do whatever it takes to get a new plan B prepared. If plan B = disaster, that's completely on the staff. I don't care who is hurt or suspended. Get somebody prepared. Anyone. Just do it. They get paid hundreds of thousands to figure it out, not me.

See my 2nd response to wizards above.

Look, if Diaco sucked at recruiting, it's ultimately BK's fault that he relied on Diaco. BK can't be so disconnected from recruiting on that side of the ball that recruiting 2 ILBs didn't raise a red flag. And if he is that disconnected, that's his fault. I'm just to the point where I'm not going to give BK passes anymore, as much as I like him.

I agree that some of this falls on BK. We all saw the roster holes coming a couple years ago, and had no idea why the staff was passing on slightly undersized but undeniably talented defensive recruits who were practically begging for an offer. Fortunately, our defensive recruiting strategy since BvG's hire seems much more coherent, but it'll take some time to ride out the scheme transition.
 

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I'm not sure if some people in this thread aren't taking Joe Schmidt for granted. This is Year 1 of a totally new system. The expectation should be that no one will be that great at it right away, and I think it largely was, considering that we had lost so many key defensive players. Schmidt emerged as a Tommy Rees ... a guy with serious deficiencies in athleticism whose on-field smarts got him on the field and gave him and our team an edge. But how rare is that? I mean, we all expected Everett to be a better QB than Tommy ever was as soon as his experience caught up with his athleticism, but I don't think most people expect Everett to ever be able to do what Tommy did at the line of scrimmage prior to the snap ... we came to see Tommy as a guy who was just particularly gifted at pre-snap reads. Might it be similar with Joe?
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>OFD Films: What makes Joe Schmidt so good? <a href="http://t.co/uHIPOGzLe6">http://t.co/uHIPOGzLe6</a> <a href="http://t.co/Mgc9GbwbBV">pic.twitter.com/Mgc9GbwbBV</a></p>— One Foot Down (@OneFootDown) <a href="https://twitter.com/OneFootDown/status/568047350624718849">February 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>OFD Films: What makes Joe Schmidt so good? <a href="http://t.co/uHIPOGzLe6">http://t.co/uHIPOGzLe6</a> <a href="http://t.co/Mgc9GbwbBV">pic.twitter.com/Mgc9GbwbBV</a></p>— One Foot Down (@OneFootDown) <a href="https://twitter.com/OneFootDown/status/568047350624718849">February 18, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Anyone who reads this and questions Joe getting his fifth year should probably just stop watching football.
 

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Bump this! What is the news with ol Joe?

From April 11:

Notre Dame's Joe Schmidt Cleared for Non-Contact Drills // UHND

Notre Dame got a bit of a boost to its suddenly deep linebacking corps on Saturday when Brian Kelly announced that Joe Schmidt has been cleared for non-contact drills and will be able to participate in 7 on 7’s and other non-contact drills for the final week of Notre Dame spring football 2015.
“Joe Schmidt’s going to be back on Monday in 7 on 7’s,” Brian Kelly snuck into an answer on the development of Nyles Morgan on Saturday when addressing the media. “He’s going to be in non-contact situations. He’s cleared to be in all movement drills, 7 on 7, non-contact drills. He’s moving pretty well so he’s going to get his opportunity Monday and Wednesday to be involved in all those drills,” Kelly clarified later.
In addition to being in non-contact drills on Monday, Schmidt was seen hitting the sled in Saturday’s practice video.
For Schmidt, his return to non-contact drills comes a little over five months after breaking his ankle against Navy. His return is a welcomed addition to the Notre Dame linebacking corps that was also boosted by the return of Jarrett Grace after his 18+ month recovery from his gruesome broken leg that he suffered in 2013 against Arizona State earlier this spring.
Schmidt’s injury was never considered to be the same severity of Grace’s who broke his leg in multiple places and suffered multiple setbacks in his recovery, so his return to non-contact drills already is a great indication that he’ll be in good shape for the 2015 season.
 

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Dynamic duos: Ranking CFB's top 10 linebacker tandems - NFL.com

Tell me again how Schmidt shouldn't be back...

Obviously this article means next to nothing in the grand scheme of things but when Chase Goodbread (ND hater) rates Smith & Schmidt as the #2 LB tandem in the nation that does say something.

To play Devil's Advocate here... And this isn't a slight on Schmidt, who I really like. But...

Isn't this really a "Jaylon Smith and [\insert player]" ranking?
 

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To play Devil's Advocate here... And this isn't a slight on Schmidt, who I really like. But...

Isn't this really a "Jaylon Smith and [\insert player]" ranking?

I like Schmidt, too, but it is something like "Lebron James and I together averaged 40 points a game in the playoffs.
 

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To play Devil's Advocate here... And this isn't a slight on Schmidt, who I really like. But...

Isn't this really a "Jaylon Smith and [\insert player]" ranking?

I like Schmidt, too, but it is something like "Lebron James and I together averaged 40 points a game in the playoffs.

There's probably some truth to that, but it wasn't Jaylon's injury that caused our 2014 defense to collapse.
 

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I thought it was Joe Schmidt and whoever else was next to him. I mean he was the MVP last year, and only played in 8 games. I don't think the ranking would be the same if it was based on Jaylon and Nyles imo.
 

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I thought it was Joe Schmidt and whoever else was next to him. I mean he was the MVP last year, and only played in 8 games. I don't think the ranking would be the same if it was based on Jaylon and Nyles imo.

Still be damn fun to watch tho.
 

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There's probably some truth to that, but it wasn't Jaylon's injury that caused our 2014 defense to collapse.

+1 Joe put everyone in the right place and was the true leader on the field. Jaylon has said a number of times how much he has learned from Joe, and Danny Spond before him.
 

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I thought it was Joe Schmidt and whoever else was next to him. I mean he was the MVP last year, and only played in 8 games. I don't think the ranking would be the same if it was based on Jaylon and Nyles imo.

Is the first part in jest? Because I couldn't tell with the second half of your comment.

Listen, I love Schmidt. I think our defense clearly fell apart when he went down. But to act like he is the cog to our LB corp is ridiculous. He is a hell of a player, but without Jaylon, our LB tandem doesn't even make that list. Jaylon might be the best LB in the country, while Schmidt is certainly an important part of our particular team, him and another player don't even make this list. I also disagree that if you swapped Morgan for Schmidt, that Jaylon wouldn't have been mentioned. They aren't leaving the potentially best LB in the country off of that list, regardless of who is listed next to him.

Again, no slight on Schmidt. He's going to be a great player for us this season and was certainly playing on a high level last year.
 

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There's probably some truth to that, but it wasn't Jaylon's injury that caused our 2014 defense to collapse.

Some would argue, as I did, that it was a failure to prepare the next man by the coaches rather than Joe getting hurt specifically.

That being said we are better with him than without.
 
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I did not think he was that good as some people were saying but when he got injured, the defense just fell down. Then i realized how important he was. He made the defense better with his presence, even being an average talent. You need players like this to succeed.
 

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I like Schmidt, too, but it is something like "Lebron James and I together averaged 40 points a game in the playoffs.


Ah, the difference between perception and reality.

Based on 2015 ND football game stats that phrase should actually be " Joe Schmidt and I together averaged 15.5 tackles a game."

Through the first 8 games of the season (Schmidt went down in game 8) Schmidt had 65 tackles or 8.1 TPG while Smith had 59 or 7.4 making a total of 15.5 TPG with Schmidt have the larger portion yet neither having Lebronlike numbers.

When Schmidt went down, Smith did produce bigger number with 53 tackles in 5 games or 10.6 TPG. But that production wasn't close to Lebronlike either.

In ND history your "Lebron and I" phrase probably only applies during the Crable years when Bob was recording 154 to 187 tackles in a shorter season and the next top tackler on the team had 70 to 80 fewer tackles.

As Whiskey noted the season collapsed when Schmidt collapsed with an season ending injury. With a healthy Scmidt, ND doesn't lose the two games to NW and UL by 3 pts each.
 

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Ah, the difference between perception and reality.

Based on 2015 ND football game stats that phrase should actually be " Joe Schmidt and I together averaged 15.5 tackles a game."

Through the first 8 games of the season (Schmidt went down in game 8) Schmidt had 65 tackles or 8.1 TPG while Smith had 59 or 7.4 making a total of 15.5 TPG with Schmidt have the larger portion yet neither having Lebronlike numbers.

When Schmidt went down, Smith did produce bigger number with 53 tackles in 5 games or 10.6 TPG. But that production wasn't close to Lebronlike either.

In ND history your "Lebron and I" phrase probably only applies during the Crable years when Bob was recording 154 to 187 tackles in a shorter season and the next top tackler on the team had 70 to 80 fewer tackles.

As Whiskey noted the season collapsed when Schmidt collapsed with an season ending injury. With a healthy Scmidt, ND doesn't lose the two games to NW and UL by 3 pts each.

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Is the first part in jest? Because I couldn't tell with the second half of your comment.

Listen, I love Schmidt. I think our defense clearly fell apart when he went down. But to act like he is the cog to our LB corp is ridiculous. He is a hell of a player, but without Jaylon, our LB tandem doesn't even make that list. Jaylon might be the best LB in the country, while Schmidt is certainly an important part of our particular team, him and another player don't even make this list. I also disagree that if you swapped Morgan for Schmidt, that Jaylon wouldn't have been mentioned. They aren't leaving the potentially best LB in the country off of that list, regardless of who is listed next to him.

Again, no slight on Schmidt. He's going to be a great player for us this season and was certainly playing on a high level last year.
I should have worded it better. It was more in defense of Schmidt than anything else.
 

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There's probably some truth to that, but it wasn't Jaylon's injury that caused our 2014 defense to collapse.

Well, it also wasn't Jaylon who decided that we should try and play an entire season without a backup to Schmidt and see what happens.....the loss to Schmidt sucked but was so exaggerated by the coaches waiting until November to try and teach Morgan the basics of our defense....pretty inexcusable for any position let alone for the guy who's responsible for getting everyone lined up properly.
 

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Some would argue, as I did, that it was a failure to prepare the next man by the coaches rather than Joe getting hurt specifically.

That being said we are better with him than without.

Well, it also wasn't Jaylon who decided that we should try and play an entire season without a backup to Schmidt and see what happens.....the loss to Schmidt sucked but was so exaggerated by the coaches waiting until November to try and teach Morgan the basics of our defense....pretty inexcusable for any position let alone for the guy who's responsible for getting everyone lined up properly.

I'm sure the coaching staff deserves some blame, but I don't know how much. In 2014 Schmidt was a hardworking senior with truly elite intangibles (leadership and knowledge of the defense). "Former walk-on holds together young front-7 decimated by injury and suspension with only spit and baling wire" was already Plan E, so how much can we fault them when a when Plan F ("True freshman holds together younger front-7 decimated by injury and suspension with even less spit and baling wire") didn't work out?
 
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