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Has he already been to south bend?
'12 AZ WR Davonte Neal (Arizona Transfer)
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Has he already been to south bend?
cLaRk_JoNeS
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was his 1st visit
cLaRk_JoNeS
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I know he was set on making all visits. I know he and Tees cousin would not be lining up exactly same position on field, but imo if ND was pretty high in his mind and knowing the loss of Tees cousin opens up a bigger chance for a freshman impact-hed be ND.
Course its not like his spot at ND is at risk, so why not take trips.
Course its not like his spot at ND is at risk, so why not take trips.
irishfanjho15
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I worry about the relationship with Coach Tish at Oklahoma. Makes me feel better that Oklahoma signed a handful of better than solid receivers though. I think Gunner coupled with Dad's 'love' of ND helps us here. I would be more worried if he took official to Oklahoma vs. Arizona in relation to our chances here. All in all, I hope (really really really hope) that he's Irish.
*Entirety of above post is represented as, and only as, opinion of irishfanjho15, thank you have a great day*
*Entirety of above post is represented as, and only as, opinion of irishfanjho15, thank you have a great day*
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Rack Em
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I would be more worried if he took his official to Oklahoma and then visited Arizona on his on dime, like he has talked about. That would solidify DEFINITE interest in Zona and make them a serious, serious contender in my mind. His visiting only Zona is better for us.
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good stuff, thanks.
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Zona is a 2 hour drive from Phoenix. I don't think going on his own dime is really all that substantial.
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Either way whoever gets his last visit is a real contender. I like ND chances, but then again I dont. Arizona the home town team. New look, new coach, etc....Oklahoma well is Oklahoma. Still, Neal, Neal, would not be fun lol
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Since it is listed as him visiting Arizona is Oklahoma really a threat without a visit?
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It would seem unlikely that he'd commit to OU without a visit. Kid seems to be taking a very deliberate approach to all this.
If he's really not going to Oklahoma and OSU is really out of the picture, I'd like our chances (but I wouldn't close the book on either school just yet). Arizona's obviously a serious contender for his services as well. Would suck, though, to lose two top-tier wide receivers to decidedly lower-tier programs.
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We're currently in a standard Quiet Period. I'd imagine unsigned 2012 recruits are treated no differently than 2013 recruits at this stage.
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NCAA 2011-2012 Division I Football
Recruiting Calendar (simplified)
NOTE: This calendar is a simplified presentation of important dates and some of the definitions involved in the recruiting process. For complete details and to see recruiting calendars for all division I and division II sports, visit the official NCAA web site at this link NCAA Public Home Page - NCAA.org.
NCAA Division I Football Recruiting Calendar for Class of 2012 and 2013
Click link to see Division II football Recruiting Calendar PDF.
Class of 2012
August 1, 2011 through November 26, 2011 — Quiet Period.
November 27, 2011, through January 28, 2012 — Contact Period (except for the following periods listed below).
December 18 through January 8th — special considerations for JuCo prospects (see official NCAA Calendar). December 18 — Quiet Period.
December 19 — January 3 — Dead Period (see exceptions listed on NCAA PDF).
January 8 — Quiet Period.
January 9 — January 12 — Dead Period (see exceptions listed on NCAA PDF).
January 29 — Quiet Period.
January 30 — through February 2 — Dead Period.
February 1, 2012 -- National Signing Day runs through April 1, 2012.
February 3 through April 14 — Quiet Period.
Class of 2013
April 15 through May 31, 2012 Evaluation Period for Class of 2013:
During the evaluation period, college staffs have approximately 30 days to conduct both athletic and academic evaluations of potential recruits. Days not used for evaluation during this time window are otherwise considered "quiet."
June 1, 2012 through July 31, 2012 — Quiet Period.
Quick FAQ
When Can a College Football Coach Start Calling Recruits and How Many Times?
Phone Calls
First Permitted Phone Call to a Recruit: D1 football coaches can make one phone call to a prospect between April 15 and May 31st of his junior year.
Beginning September 1 of a prospect's senior year, college coaches can begin calling a recruit, but they are forbidden to call a single recruit more than once per week. Coaches can make no calls to recruits during dead periods.
When Can a College Football Coach Start Sending Letters and Emails?
Correspondence
At any time colleges can send prospects non-athletic program information such as college summer camp brochures, news letters, recruiting questionnaires, and educational information about their schools. However, college coaches cannot begin sending personal correspondence to a recruit until September 1st of his senior year.
When Can a Prospect or Parent/Guardian Contact College Coaches
At anytime prospects and/or parent/guardian are allowed to make phone calls or send correspondence to college coaches.
Definitions (simplified) — for the official NCAA definitions click the following link to read the Official NCAA Glossary of Terms for Contact | Contact Period | Quiet period |Dead Period | Evaluation | Evaluation Period | Prospective student-athlete | Unofficial visit | Official visit |Verbal commitment | National Letter of Intent.
Contact Period — It's permissible for authorized athletic department staff members to make in-person and off-campus recruiting contacts and evaluations. College coaches are allowed to visit recruits off–campus (at their high school or home). Coaches can make only one visit per week to individual recruits and are permitted to make one phone call per week to a recruit during this period.
Quiet Period — Recruits can visit with college coaches but only at those college campuses. Also, during the month of September, October or November coaches are permitted to make one in-person off-campus visit to a recruit (at their high schools or at an athletic event) (colleges are allowed a total of 42 days of evaluation time during this period).
Dead Period — Coaches are not permitted to make in-person recruiting contacts or evaluations on or off-campus or to permit official or unofficial visits by recruits or to make phone calls to recruits.
Evaluation Period — It's permissible for authorized athletics department staff to be involved in off-campus activities to assess academic qualifications and playing abilities. No in-person, off-campus recruiting contacts with a prospect are permitted during these evaluations: the college coaches are only allowed to attend athletic events and/or the prospect's school and talk to the high school coaches and school administrators but they are not allowed to speak to the recuit during one of thes visits except to say "hello." Colleges are allowed a total of approximatley 168 days each year to conduct evaluations for all of their prospective recruits.
To learn more view:
Official 2011-2012 NCAA Division 1 Football Recruiting Calendar (PDF) .
Good Football Recruiting Tips for High School to College:
Football Recruiting Process: How to Prepare and Improve Your Chances.
College Football Coaches Contact Information — All D-IA Listings: Address | Phone | Fax | email.
Recruiting Calendar (simplified)
NOTE: This calendar is a simplified presentation of important dates and some of the definitions involved in the recruiting process. For complete details and to see recruiting calendars for all division I and division II sports, visit the official NCAA web site at this link NCAA Public Home Page - NCAA.org.
NCAA Division I Football Recruiting Calendar for Class of 2012 and 2013
Click link to see Division II football Recruiting Calendar PDF.
Class of 2012
August 1, 2011 through November 26, 2011 — Quiet Period.
November 27, 2011, through January 28, 2012 — Contact Period (except for the following periods listed below).
December 18 through January 8th — special considerations for JuCo prospects (see official NCAA Calendar). December 18 — Quiet Period.
December 19 — January 3 — Dead Period (see exceptions listed on NCAA PDF).
January 8 — Quiet Period.
January 9 — January 12 — Dead Period (see exceptions listed on NCAA PDF).
January 29 — Quiet Period.
January 30 — through February 2 — Dead Period.
February 1, 2012 -- National Signing Day runs through April 1, 2012.
February 3 through April 14 — Quiet Period.
Class of 2013
April 15 through May 31, 2012 Evaluation Period for Class of 2013:
During the evaluation period, college staffs have approximately 30 days to conduct both athletic and academic evaluations of potential recruits. Days not used for evaluation during this time window are otherwise considered "quiet."
June 1, 2012 through July 31, 2012 — Quiet Period.
Quick FAQ
When Can a College Football Coach Start Calling Recruits and How Many Times?
Phone Calls
First Permitted Phone Call to a Recruit: D1 football coaches can make one phone call to a prospect between April 15 and May 31st of his junior year.
Beginning September 1 of a prospect's senior year, college coaches can begin calling a recruit, but they are forbidden to call a single recruit more than once per week. Coaches can make no calls to recruits during dead periods.
When Can a College Football Coach Start Sending Letters and Emails?
Correspondence
At any time colleges can send prospects non-athletic program information such as college summer camp brochures, news letters, recruiting questionnaires, and educational information about their schools. However, college coaches cannot begin sending personal correspondence to a recruit until September 1st of his senior year.
When Can a Prospect or Parent/Guardian Contact College Coaches
At anytime prospects and/or parent/guardian are allowed to make phone calls or send correspondence to college coaches.
Definitions (simplified) — for the official NCAA definitions click the following link to read the Official NCAA Glossary of Terms for Contact | Contact Period | Quiet period |Dead Period | Evaluation | Evaluation Period | Prospective student-athlete | Unofficial visit | Official visit |Verbal commitment | National Letter of Intent.
Contact Period — It's permissible for authorized athletic department staff members to make in-person and off-campus recruiting contacts and evaluations. College coaches are allowed to visit recruits off–campus (at their high school or home). Coaches can make only one visit per week to individual recruits and are permitted to make one phone call per week to a recruit during this period.
Quiet Period — Recruits can visit with college coaches but only at those college campuses. Also, during the month of September, October or November coaches are permitted to make one in-person off-campus visit to a recruit (at their high schools or at an athletic event) (colleges are allowed a total of 42 days of evaluation time during this period).
Dead Period — Coaches are not permitted to make in-person recruiting contacts or evaluations on or off-campus or to permit official or unofficial visits by recruits or to make phone calls to recruits.
Evaluation Period — It's permissible for authorized athletics department staff to be involved in off-campus activities to assess academic qualifications and playing abilities. No in-person, off-campus recruiting contacts with a prospect are permitted during these evaluations: the college coaches are only allowed to attend athletic events and/or the prospect's school and talk to the high school coaches and school administrators but they are not allowed to speak to the recuit during one of thes visits except to say "hello." Colleges are allowed a total of approximatley 168 days each year to conduct evaluations for all of their prospective recruits.
To learn more view:
Official 2011-2012 NCAA Division 1 Football Recruiting Calendar (PDF) .
Good Football Recruiting Tips for High School to College:
Football Recruiting Process: How to Prepare and Improve Your Chances.
College Football Coaches Contact Information — All D-IA Listings: Address | Phone | Fax | email.
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any truth to the rumore that Lemming popped out of his hole yesterday.........saw his shadow......and now we have 6 more weeks of recruiting???
Come on Neal, you'd look fantastic in gold, and I am sure a trip to Ireland would be nice?? Right?
Come on Neal, you'd look fantastic in gold, and I am sure a trip to Ireland would be nice?? Right?
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A question about how the letter of intent works and when it becomes valid.
Lets say Neal had been given a letter of intent from OSU. If Neal would've signed it and faxed it in, would've OSU had to accept it? Does the letter of intent include sections that have to be signed by University officials after the recruit signs? If it does, do they sign their part first and then give it to the recruit?
Does anyone know for sure how this works?
Lets say Neal had been given a letter of intent from OSU. If Neal would've signed it and faxed it in, would've OSU had to accept it? Does the letter of intent include sections that have to be signed by University officials after the recruit signs? If it does, do they sign their part first and then give it to the recruit?
Does anyone know for sure how this works?
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Hmm good question. I think I've seen one floating around on the internet, LOI that is. I'll try to find it.
Emcee77
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Found a copy of the form.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/CNBC/Se...tory_Inserts/graphics/__PDF/NLI_2010_2011.pdf
It's a totally generic, national form, but there's a field that says "Submission of this form has been autorized by:" and then there's a signature line for the director of athletics. So I assume that the AD signs the LOI forms and then the school sends it to the kids, so that it becomes binding when the kid and his/her parent signs it. Plus, item 10 says "This LOI is in full force or effect for four years, commencing with the date I sign"
From what I understand though, Neal does not have an OSU letter of intent. At least Biggins did not mention one in his article, although he specifically mentioned LOIs from the other schools Neal has visited.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/CNBC/Se...tory_Inserts/graphics/__PDF/NLI_2010_2011.pdf
It's a totally generic, national form, but there's a field that says "Submission of this form has been autorized by:" and then there's a signature line for the director of athletics. So I assume that the AD signs the LOI forms and then the school sends it to the kids, so that it becomes binding when the kid and his/her parent signs it. Plus, item 10 says "This LOI is in full force or effect for four years, commencing with the date I sign"
From what I understand though, Neal does not have an OSU letter of intent. At least Biggins did not mention one in his article, although he specifically mentioned LOIs from the other schools Neal has visited.
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It's a contract like any other, in that it can only be enforced against a party who has signed it.
Granted, I've never actually seen one, but I'd bet a large sum of money that it can only be enforced against a school once an appropriate school official has signed it as well.
ab2cmiller
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From the NCAA website, I found out that it has to be signed by the Director of Athletics before the recruit signs.
I thought OSU had given him a letter of intent to sign in case he chose OSU. Wouldn't OSU have had to accept his LOI if he faxed it in? Granted, if UM said he no longer wanted him, most recruits would not say tough, I'm going to fax it anyhow. LOL
I thought OSU had given him a letter of intent to sign in case he chose OSU. Wouldn't OSU have had to accept his LOI if he faxed it in? Granted, if UM said he no longer wanted him, most recruits would not say tough, I'm going to fax it anyhow. LOL
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Yeah, if it's true that the AD signs the forms before they are sent to the recruits, then they become binding the instant they are signed by the recruits and their parents, I'd think.
ab2cmiller
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It doesn't become binding until delivered to the insititution. Here's a funny story I found in a WSJ article.
In College Football Recruiting, the Star Player Is the Fax Machine - WSJ.com
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Come on down Neal you can show everyone thats not true on national tv evey weekend.
I am not going to lie Meyer is a very good coach but he has some class issues.
I am not going to lie Meyer is a very good coach but he has some class issues.
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What a bitch. Jesus he seriously needs to grow up and quit taking shots at 18 year old kids. He watched all of Neal's film, recruited him hard, did an in home visit and at the 11th hour decided he was soft? I'm calling bs on that.
He can't stand getting rejected so he twisted what actually happened. Urbie, you got shot down because an 18 year old kid saw through your lies. Quit pouting and be a man. Take a lesson from Mike Gundy.
I guarantee that's how it went down.
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OSU insiders also saying Meyer told him to hold off on committing because they were getting Diggs and his dad went off on coaches including Meyer. supposedly the staff stopped talking to them at that point. These are the same insiders who said the visit went well and as planned just a coupe weeks ago. Crazy how things change in their mind as to what happens.