'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

[Whiskeyjack]

Actually I think Vandy's a much better choice than LSU, and I think it's comparable to ND. Obviously football tradition doesn't compare, but Vandy's trying to start something with their new coach. Academically they're on the same level, and Nashville's a better place to live than South Bend.

Define "comparable". ND's 30y Return for Graduates is ~36% greater, and it's Expected Return for Football Players is 53% greater than Vandy's. It's a good school, no doubt, especially by football standards, but I wouldn't say it's comparable to ND (like Duke and Stanford are, at least).

Vandy also can't touch ND when it comes to tradition (as you noted) and national exposure.

Nashville offers better weather and more attractive women. But if those are the deciding factors, ND never had much of a shot to begin with.

 

[Rhode Irish]

What size school is this? The only time I have seen stands this small is at six man school (schools that graduate like 10 a semester) here in TEXAS. Also hes got some really good recievers!

Funny, I played high school football in Rhode Island, and I've never seen as many people at a game in RI as were present in any of the clips in Gunner's video. Nobody cares less about HS football than New England (which is too bad), but nobody cares as much as Texas (which is a good thing - you guys are a little over the top with that stuff, IMO).

 

[NDMontana]

Nashville's a better place to live than South Bend.

That is highly subjective, purely a matter of taste.

This 247 site indicates that he is "warm" with ND, LSU, Vandy and Arkansas. Given the fact that Arkansas competes in the SEC, has a wide open offense driven by a coach with strong recruiting skills and a history of developing QBs and consecutive BcS appearances, does anybody think Arkansas seems like a strong darkhorse? It is kind of unsettling that we haven't heard anything about Arkansas lately but that he is warm. Given how quiet Kiel has been it may make sense that Arkansa might jut be lurking much closer that people think.

 

[Rack Em]

does anybody think Arkansas seems like a strong darkhorse? It is kind of unsettling that we haven't heard anything about Arkansas lately but that he is warm. Given how quiet Kiel has been it may make sense that Arkansa might jut be lurking much closer that people think.

No way. Until they get a visit they have the same chance with Gunner as UTEP. Distance, distance, distance...

 

[returnofthemack]

Vandy's academics are actually very similar to ND. They're both in the late teens of most undergraduate college rankings.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Vandy's academics are actually very similar to ND. They're both in the late teens of most undergraduate college rankings.

How accurate do you think such rankings are when Vandy is ranked similarly to a school whose graduates make ~33% more on average?

The methodology behind such rankings is extremely subjective and unreliable. That's why I use PayScale in my comparisons; you can fudge all sorts of stuff relating to "Campus Life", "Tradition", and "Academic Reputation", but you can't fudge average salary numbers.

 

[pkt77242]

How accurate do you think such rankings are when Vandy is ranked similarly to a school whose graduates make ~33% more on average?

The methodology behind such rankings is extremely subjective and unreliable. That's why I use PayScale in my comparisons; you can fudge all sorts of stuff relating to "Campus Life", "Tradition", and "Academic Reputation", but you can't fudge average salary numbers.

While I agree that payscale is a better number to use, it can be fudged depending on how the info is collected? Are people or institutions self reporting this or is it verified by tax returns? Because if it is self reporting, then that number is very easy to fudge.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

While I agree that payscale is a better number to use, it can be fudged depending on how the info is collected? Are people or institutions self reporting this or is it verified by tax returns? Because if it is self reporting, then that number is very easy to fudge.

Here's how PayScale gathers its data:

Methodology: The study, by PayScale, uses pay reports from 1.4 million graduates from U.S. colleges and universities supplied through online pay comparison tools in the past year. The study used pay reports from only full-time U.S. employees with bachelors degrees and no advanced degrees, and pay reports averaged about 1,000 for each of the 554 schools in the study.

So while people are self-reporting their pay reports, they're doing it in the context of research which is only accurate if you supply accurate data. If they lie about what they're currently making, it ensures that the comparison data PayScale provides them is inaccurate.

The methodology behind U.S. News and World Report's ranking can be found here. Take a look at it. It's full of borderline irrelevant stuff and subjective polling data.

 

[kmoose]

you can't fudge average salary numbers.

No, but they can still be misleading, depending on what your major is. An Engineer with a Michigan State degree is probably going to be well above whatever the average Michigan State graduate makes.

But in the end, salary doesn't always accurately reflect the academic rigors of a University. Graduates from Harvard's Wharton School of Business probably have significantly higher salaries than those from Mendoza. But I'd imagine that the quality of academic instruction is probably very similar.

 

[Rhode Irish]

No, but they can still be misleading, depending on what your major is. An Engineer with a Michigan State degree is probably going to be well above whatever the average Michigan State graduate makes.

But in the end, salary doesn't always accurately reflect the academic rigors of a University. Graduates from Harvard's Wharton School of Business probably have significantly higher salaries than those from Mendoza. But I'd imagine that the quality of academic instruction is probably very similar.

Wharton is UPenn's business school, not Harvard's.

 

[jimmymac]

No, but they can still be misleading, depending on what your major is. An Engineer with a Michigan State degree is probably going to be well above whatever the average Michigan State graduate makes.

But in the end, salary doesn't always accurately reflect the academic rigors of a University. Graduates from Harvard's Wharton School of Business probably have significantly higher salaries than those from Mendoza. But I'd imagine that the quality of academic instruction is probably very similar.

UPenn...

 

[Irishnuke]

Is this the wall street journal or Gunner Kiel's thread?

 

[kmoose]

Is this the wall street journal or Gunner Kiel's thread?

Sit down and listen, nuke. You might learn something.

I did............freakin' Penn.........

Thanks for the correction, guys.

 

[frankygoes69]

What are you guys talking about? Really, its like taking an hour to make minute rice.

 

[DillonHall]

Here's how PayScale gathers its data:



So while people are self-reporting their pay reports, they're doing it in the context of research which is only accurate if you supply accurate data. If they lie about what they're currently making, it ensures that the comparison data PayScale provides them is inaccurate.

The methodology behind U.S. News and World Report's ranking can be found here. Take a look at it. It's full of borderline irrelevant stuff and subjective polling data.

It seems like a really small sample size...

 

[BeauBenken]

What size school is this? The only time I have seen stands this small is at six man school (schools that graduate like 10 a semester) here in TEXAS. Also hes got some really good recievers!

Those stands aren't even that small for an Indiana high school "stadium".

 

[koonja]

Irish Sports Report

 

[IrishBlood81]

Irish Sports Report

What does it say? I don't have a premium account...do tell!

 

[magogian]

I just wish he would decide, whether good or bad for us.

 

[BeauBenken]

What does it say? I don't have a premium account...do tell!

Kuehnja doesn't either. lol He just posts the links.

EDIT:

For the bazzilionth time, I do not pay for any premium sites. I'm dirty and cheap, I just post the links I find. Nothing personal, lol.

See? lol

 

[Cali_domer]

I will take a stab in the dark. Had a great visit and ND still looks good but Vandy is still a threat.

 

[SBjandy7]

Is there any word on when he is set to announce? He wants to be an EE so the announcement has to be soon

 

[clashmore_mike]

January 7

 

[IrishLax]

January 7

Might come earlier.

 

[NDdomer2]

Is there any word on when he is set to announce? He wants to be an EE so the announcement has to be soon

hahaha Wooly or Whiskey are going to freak out....How many more times will this get asked?

 

[magogian]

To be clear, most reports say that he may decide well in advance of Jan. 7.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

A timely commitment from Kiel would put us firmly in the driver's seat for Neal, Agholor, and Payton, wouldn't it?

 

[arrowryan]

A timely commitment from Kiel would put us firmly in the driver's seat for Neal, Agholor, and Payton, wouldn't it?

I would have to agree with that

 

[jimmymac]

I wouldn't. How does that put us in front of UF? They have an equally touted and highly recruited qb who's already there.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I wouldn't. How does that put us in front of UF? They have an equally touted and highly recruited qb who's already there.

Having the #1 QB in the nation committed in the same class probably pull a little weight, I'd think.

Agholor had a very good visit to UF this past weekend so I think they are still on top. Payton to Cal seems likely regardless.

We haven't heard anything about that visit other than vague generalities, though. Perhaps "firmly in the driver's seat" is a little too strong, but with Kiel on board and our superior academics, I'd like our chances against a Weis-less UF.