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Buster Bluth

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...audible to a go route every time Gary Gray was pressing them. My best friend went to Westerville South HS with BJ Cunningham and BJ called him today to talk and whatnot and said that about Gary Gray. Apparently Dantonio and Co. thought he was a joke.

I think the Irish front seven are among the best in the country, but what does this say about the defensive backs when opponents don't think the Irish DB's can press for sh*t?

I hope Gray has a great, great game against Sunseri. Time to shut some dudes up.

EDIT: it wasn't just Cunningham (who is a very good receiver), it was every receiver who was told to run a go on press.
 

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I probably would have done the same thing if I was the coach. He was just awful against Michigan
 

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I bet Kelly would take 2 or 3 awful corners like Gary Gray every season he is at Notre Dame.
 

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Gray is actually good at coverage, just not at finding the ball. At CB, coverage is 9/10 of success, unless of course, the other team figures out you're susceptability at jump-balls...
 

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...audible to a go route every time Gary Gray was pressing them. My best friend went to Westerville South HS with BJ Cunningham and BJ called him today to talk and whatnot and said that about Gary Gray. Apparently Dantonio and Co. thought he was a joke.

I think the Irish front seven are among the best in the country, but what does this say about the defensive backs when opponents don't think the Irish DB's can press for sh*t?

I hope Gray has a great, great game against Sunseri. Time to shut some dudes up.

EDIT: it wasn't just Cunningham (who is a very good receiver), it was every receiver who was told to run a go on press.

Apparently, due to the spanking they received, they should have focused on a more effective strategy.
 

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It's funny how much people overreact to one bad game (or one bad half when it comes to Dayne Crist....). Did they not watch Gary Gray play all of last year? Over the years how many stud players have we seen have an off game where they look like total dog crap?

Yeah, Gray has some flaws in his game. But he is a lot better than most corners in the country.
 
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It's funny how much people overreact to one bad game (or one bad half when it comes to Dayne Crist....). Did they not watch Gary Gray play all of last year? Over the years how many stud players have we seen have an off game where they look like total dog crap?

Yeah, Gray has some flaws in his game. But he is a lot better than most corners in the country.

You had me until the Crist comment....
 

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It's funny how much people overreact to one bad game (or one bad half when it comes to Dayne Crist....). Did they not watch Gary Gray play all of last year? Over the years how many stud players have we seen have an off game where they look like total dog crap?

Yeah, Gray has some flaws in his game. But he is a lot better than most corners in the country.

For what its worth, it wasn't even a full bad half. The offense looked great at times (that first drive was a thing of beauty until the fumble.)
 

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It's funny how much people overreact to one bad game (or one bad half when it comes to Dayne Crist....). Did they not watch Gary Gray play all of last year? Over the years how many stud players have we seen have an off game where they look like total dog crap?

Yeah, Gray has some flaws in his game. But he is a lot better than most corners in the country.

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I bet Kelly would take 2 or 3 awful corners like Gary Gray every season he is at Notre Dame.

That is 100 percent right. If we had landed three legit cb's in recruiting since him and walls signed FIVE YEARS AGO!, then maybe we can talk like he should be benched and sucks donkey dung. Is he great? nope but hes top 25 corner and he will be missed
 

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That is 100 percent right. If we had landed three legit cb's in recruiting since him and walls signed FIVE YEARS AGO!, then maybe we can talk like he should be benched and sucks donkey dung. Is he great? nope but hes top 25 corner and he will be missed

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Gary's got the game ball and a W.. Two men entered, one man left.

I like Gary and think he's a pretty good corner who had a bad day against a running back who can't really pass. However, I do not think he came close to deserving the game ball against msu. Obviously, it was supposed to be a morale booster by Kelly because everybody knows that Blanton should have been given the game ball. I didn't think Gary was very impressive against MSU. Sure he didn't give up any huge plays, but he didn't have any interceptions and the extent of what he did was not allow yards after the catch. RJ played his heart out and lifted the defense to another level. Obviously, it doesn't matter who got the game ball anymore. Hopefully, Blanton keeps playing at this level, as does Harrison, and hopefully Gary can step it up.
 

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Gray gave up some big plays vs michigan, but only 3 were his fault in my opinion. The play where Denard was in the grasp of kap, the long pass on the last drive and the fade at the end. sure those were game changing plays...but the other plays he gave up he was in perfect coverage and just due to poorly thrown balls by denard that ended up being good he got beat. cant fault him for being in position and 'luck' happening for michigan. If it was actually Andrew Luck, Barkley i would say that it was just a great play by the qb, but denard clearly isnt in that league of passers. It happens. Losing the michigan game was far from Grays fault.
 

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Lol. They scored 13 points. Weak strategy if its true. I would take Gray on my team any day. He's a stud. The Michigan game was a fluke. He'll make us proud the rest of the year.
 

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I like Gary and think he's a pretty good corner who had a bad day against a running back who can't really pass. However, I do not think he came close to deserving the game ball against msu. Obviously, it was supposed to be a morale booster by Kelly because everybody knows that Blanton should have been given the game ball. I didn't think Gary was very impressive against MSU. Sure he didn't give up any huge plays, but he didn't have any interceptions and the extent of what he did was not allow yards after the catch. RJ played his heart out and lifted the defense to another level. Obviously, it doesn't matter who got the game ball anymore. Hopefully, Blanton keeps playing at this level, as does Harrison, and hopefully Gary can step it up.

It's funny how people overrate #4 because of past success even though he's been horrific this year.

He had some bad plays vs. USF and he had a bad game vs. UM, but he was good against MSU. If you don't think so, then you either need to re-watch the game (I did) or you need to learn the game of football. He had one really bad play vs MSU (that pissed me off b/c it was a big play), in which he had great coverage but turned his head the wrong way (and too late), but the rest of the game he was solid and his tackling was superb.

Meowmix, you base everything on his coverage skills, but so much of this defense relies on their DB's to be solid tacklers, and you're not going to find a much better tackler on the corner than GG. He had 10 tackles against MSU, and no, they weren't all because his man beat him. Not even close. Yes, Blanton deserved the game ball, but do you realize how phony BK would have came off had he given the game ball to GG if he had a sh!tty game or even a mediocre game??? Watch the team's reaction after GG gets the game ball from coach...they are genuinely pumped up for him, and they know he deserved it.

He deserved criticism, but some of you guys are just piling on for the sake of piling on. Pay closer attention...he was good against MSU.
 

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Gray is aweful. Good coaching by msu

Yeah, GREAT coaching... 31-13 Irish

keep up the GREAT coaching Sparty

GG is fantastic, and NDinLA said it best, it was dogpiling just for the sake of dogpiling...

Every player has down games, deal with it, be an Irish fan, and believe in your players.

Don't F'n rag on em all the time
 

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Gray isn't awful. He just isn't.

Correct, he's NOT awful, but I'd consider him an average DB. Fairly decent on coverage, but gets "lost" out there once in a while and also doesn't pick up the ball quick enough a lot of times. Definitely not a "shut down" corner!
 

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Had Denard actually passed like a real QB instead of wounded underthrown ducks it would have been a different story.
 
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Gray is actually great in coverage. Notice how all of the jump balls he's right there when the WR makes a great play (I know it sounds like an oxymoron, but I'm talking coverage).

So far this year, we've been plagued with strange plays that haven't bounced our way. On all of the jump balls that Gray has lost, his coverage was beautiful. Right on the receivers hip. I feel like the WRs he's been on so far have made great plays on the balls and Gary hasn't. But his coverage is great and he hopefully will get his head around quicker.
 

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Gray is aweful. Good coaching by msu

"The secret is to work less as individuals and more as a team. As a coach, I play not my eleven best, but my best eleven."

Micks60 - learn that quote and understand it, and then you can single out one player that causes a whole team to lose. ND wins and loses as a team - no more, no less bro.


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Is nobody aware that Gray has been battling a foot problem? That's why he's been a step slower than usual...
 

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If Gray would look back for the ball then he would be one of the best defensive backs in the country
 

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NDinLA is right. Gray made loads of tackles. I only recall him missing out on one which is impressive considering he was tackling MSU RBs all day.
 

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I'm going to pile on Gary...with praise. I've been a fan of Gary Gray since all of last season when I finally got to watch his whole body of work. Gary Gray was superb consistently last year ---and NO you can't just dismiss previous performance when evaluating a player. If a player was acknowledged by everyone [with any sense] as having had a great 2010 season, and then is involved with some clunker plays in 2011, it would seem reasonable to look more closely at those plays and the player before looking down ones nose from the distance of a computer screen at a great athlete. Some things to consider:

A). The job of a corner consists of many tasks, and is probably the second most difficult in football. Casual [i.e. without close analysis] b!tching about performance is probably unfair.
B). One of the tasks is open-field tackling. It would be a difficult argument to make that Gary does not excel at that. And that task is of great importance and shouldn't be dismissed.
C). A second job is to stay with your assignment, and not get confused in coverage. I believe that Gary shows that he's one of the smartest in this area.
D). While "on assignment", you must "cover" for a reasonable amount of time while your pass rush makes the QB get rid of the ball. How many of Gary's so-called "bad coverages" were "coincidental" with very poor pass pressure? I say several, even the majority.
E). Even in situations of poor pass pressure, a very good corner will still be physically "in the guy's shirt" or close to it. I find it astounding on how often Gary is almost literally in the receiver's shirt. In such situations, and particularly after extended seconds of coverage, you are going to have your back to the ball sometimes. Watch Gray closely. At the signal of the receiver's head turn, he begins his turn as best as his foot placement allows at that moment [and this is to some degree the luck of the split second], and has the physical presence to flail his arm into the area that he hopes the ball will be --- he's micrometers from tipping some of those things out of there. I've marveled at how WELL he continues to "fight the play" at those moments.
F). Add that Gary has not been 100% physically from all hints and this seems to border on cheap-shotting a fine athlete whom I shudder to think what we'd do without.
 
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