2024 College Football Playoffs

[Cackalacky2.0]

New system, same problems. I have seen college football go from rank based - strict tie in bowl games prior to this continuing series of attempts to improve the system. While the money grows the issues never get solved and in many ways get worse.

The unwritten rule is people want in who they want in and will justify it and the matchups they want using what ever logic suits those purposes, usually heavily laced with the financial results in mind.

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[Huntr]

They need to go away with the automatic byes next year

Should never had had those, but the non-SEC/non-B1G conferences would not have signed off otherwise.

It should have been the best 8 (conf affiliations be damned), but CFB is about money 1st and foremost, so here we are with another imperfect system.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

The only solution is a NFL style playoff. Give me 16 regional based divisions with relegation/promotion and divisional winners meet in playoffs. No need for a selection committee.

 

[arrowryan]

The only solution is a NFL style playoff. Give me 16 regional based divisions with relegation/promotion and divisional winners meet in playoffs. No need for a selection committee.

Yup

 

[Wild Bill]

It might be difficult to rank Clemson ahead of SMU because that would mean Clemson would jump 6 teams in the rankings, including 3 spots ahead of South Carolina, who just beat them. Maybe they'll do it, but they could also keep Clemson ranked outside of the top twelve, giving them the 12 seed, and drop SMU 3 spots to 11 and the 11th seed.

You bring up a good point.

 

[stlnd01]

We'll see, but I agree that the "not penalizing a team for losing its CCG game" bit feels like it's being overstated.

I can't find his exact quote but the guy said something like they wouldn't overly punish a team for losing but they would treat it like any other game. In other words, they still lost. They don't just automatically slotted into the best available at-large spot. But they probably don't get bounced from the tournament entirely if they had been clearly in it. That's how I interpreted anyway.

Texas lost so close (and of course it just means more) so they're probably 5 despite their thin resume. It would have been nice if Penn State had lost by more, but we were right on their heels so I think it'd be justifiable to put us ahead of them.

Except with Penn State you also have the Ohio State problem, and the biggest problem of all which is a potential Big Ten v Big Ten matchup in the first round? How do you avoid that? You avoid it by screwing the team that's not in a conference.

 

[Giddyup]

The only solution is a NFL style playoff. Give me 16 regional based divisions with relegation/promotion and divisional winners meet in playoffs. No need for a selection committee.

So bring back regional conferences? Lol

 

[wizards8507]

The only solution is a NFL style playoff. Give me 16 regional based divisions with relegation/promotion and divisional winners meet in playoffs. No need for a selection committee.

The longer the playoff, the less likely you are to crown the best team in the country national champion.

A team could be so dominant that they would be 75% likely to beat any other team in the country and they'd only win a 16 round single-elimination tournament about 30% of the time.

 

[irishff1014]

I agree, but I just don't wanna play Indiana at home... it would negate our winter advantage

And Indiana is a little scary because they're well coached and it would be a whole stupid thing.

Did you watch Georgia at all last night. They would shut our run game down. We don’t have the weapons or a QB to beat their DB’s.

 

[wizards8507]

We'll see, but I agree that the "not penalizing a team for losing its CCG game" bit feels like it's being overstated.

I can't find his exact quote but the guy said something like they wouldn't overly punish a team for losing but they would treat it like any other game. In other words, they still lost. They don't just automatically slotted into the best available at-large spot. But they probably don't get bounced from the tournament entirely if they had been clearly in it. That's how I interpreted anyway.

Texas lost so close (and of course it just means more) so they're probably 5 despite their thin resume. It would have been nice if Penn State had lost by more, but we were right on their heels so I think it'd be justifiable to put us ahead of them.

Except with Penn State you also have the Ohio State problem, and the biggest problem of all which is a potential Big Ten v Big Ten matchup in the first round? How do you avoid that? You avoid it by screwing the team that's not in a conference.

I think I agree with all of this but I think SMU's starting spot going into yesterday was more tenuous than most. They were seeded highly in the projections because of auto-bid rules but I disagree that they were considered "clearly" deserving of a playoff spot absent those auto-bid rules.

 

[arrowryan]

Joel Klatt is on some crack

 

[mrmcgrail]

It would be easier to use the BCS computer model than have a bunch of people with huge biases decide

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

The longer the playoff, the less likely you are to crown the best team in the country national champion.

A team could be so dominant that they would be 75% likely to beat any other team in the country and they'd only win a 16 round single-elimination tournament about 30% of the time.

Tough titties.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

So bring back regional conferences? Lol

Yes. I never wanted the PAC12 to merge with the Big Televen. West Virginia in the Big 12. So dumb. These big conferences carrying perennial shit programs like Mississippi State and Vanderbilt need to give way to the SMUs and North Dakota states of football.

 

[TracyGraham]

So If ND is not #5 like most are predicting, I feel like this is the first time ND is at a clear disadvantage for being independent.


The chance to play for a 1st round bye is huge. IMO it will become apparent just how advantageous it is to play 3 vs 4 in a row against the best teams in the country concerning injuries/serious fatigue/etc.


Yet PSU and Texas, due to being in a conference, had a shot at a first round bye but also will get a pass despite losing?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

It would be easier to use the BCS computer model than have a bunch of people with huge biases decide

Apparently there are formulas out there that are able to do what the committee does right now. Why do we need a committee?

 

[notredomer23]

Yes. I never wanted the PAC12 to merge with the Big Televen. West Virginia in the Big 12. So dumb.

BRING BACK THE BIG EAST

 

[OhioIrish]

Did you watch Georgia at all last night. They would shut our run game down. We don’t have the weapons or a QB to beat their DB’s.

Georgia Tech ran all over this team 8 days ago. Not saying they aren’t solid, but you may be overstating things a bit.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

So If ND is not #5 like most are predicting, I feel like this is the first time ND is at a clear disadvantage for being independent.


The chance to play for a 1st round bye is huge. IMO it will become apparent just how advantageous it is to play 4 vs 3 in a row against the best teams in the country concerning injuries/serious fatigue/etc.


Yet PSU and Texas, due to being in a conference, had a shot at a first round bye but also will get a pass despite losing?

Yes. ND ranked at 5 will likely be seeded at 6-8 depending where the committee seeds the CCG losers. For ND to get the 5th seat they would likely need to be ranked in the top 4 heading into CCG week.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Should never had had those, but the non-SEC/non-B1G conferences would not have signed off otherwise.

It should have been the best 8 (conf affiliations be damned), but CFB is about money 1st and foremost, so here we are with another imperfect system.

Best 8 with the BCS computer!

It would be easier to use the BCS computer model than have a bunch of people with huge biases decide

Exactly!

 

[stlnd01]

So If ND is not #5 like most are predicting, I feel like this is the first time ND is at a clear disadvantage for being independent.


The chance to play for a 1st round bye is huge. IMO it will become apparent just how advantageous it is to play 4 vs 3 in a row against the best teams in the country concerning injuries/serious fatigue/etc.


Yet PSU and Texas, due to being in a conference, had a shot at a first round bye but also will get a pass despite losing?

I'm not sure I'd say they got a pass, in the long run. They had to play an extra game against a very good team, and now they have a first round game against (at least) a pretty good team. If either Texas or Penn State makes it to the final, it will be their 17th game this season.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Georgia Tech ran all over this team 8 days ago. Not saying they aren’t solid, but you may be overstating things a bit.

Right. Out d can stop a Beck led UGA. If Stockton is QB he might be a bit different and I’m less sure what their game plan would be with him on O. I’d absolutely look at the GT game and see what they did to the dawgs.

 

[FWIrish4]

If you can get rewarded with a bye, there has to be a downside risk with another loss. Texas and Penn St will still host, but they should be behind ND. Not a huge ESPN guy, but the majority overwhelmingly have ND at 5/6 which is crucial to get the 3 or 4 in the second round.

Slowly getting confident it may come to fruition at 5 or 6 with that many predicting it.

College Football Playoff predictions: Who's most likely to make the field

Find out which teams our reporters pick for the College Football Playoff following the conference title games.

www.espn.com

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Apparently there are formulas out there that are able to do what the committee does right now. Why do we need a committee?

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[NDMatt91]

Did you watch Georgia at all last night. They would shut our run game down. We don’t have the weapons or a QB to beat their DB’s.

We’d have to get through the first game, but if we did play Georgia in the 2nd round, I really, really don’t like our chances of moving the ball against them. I’d be surprised if we had more than 300 yards of total offense.

 

[TracyGraham]

I'm not sure I'd say they got a pass, in the long run. They had to play an extra game against a very good team, and now they have a first round game against (at least) a pretty good team. If either Texas or Penn State makes it to the final, it will be their 17th game this season.

I mean, I guess, but they lost and they are still sitting basically the same and ready to play again(PSU). If we lose our game in 2 weeks, we are out.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

If you can get rewarded with a bye, there has to be a downside risk with another loss. Texas and Penn St will still host, but they should be behind ND. Not a huge ESPN guy, but the majority overwhelmingly have ND at 5/6 which is crucial to get the 3 or 4 in the second round.

Slowly getting confident it may come to fruition at 5 or 6 with that many predicting it.

College Football Playoff predictions: Who's most likely to make the field

Find out which teams our reporters pick for the College Football Playoff following the conference title games.

www.espn.com

The downside is being seeded 5-12 and having to play an extra game against a team that didn’t.

 

[MacIrish75]

Joel Klatt is on some crack

Move Clemson up a spot and put SMU at 12 and I’m in.

 

[arrowryan]

I'm not sure I'd say they got a pass, in the long run. They had to play an extra game against a very good team, and now they have a first round game against (at least) a pretty good team. If either Texas or Penn State makes it to the final, it will be their 17th game this season.

It’s a free pass if there’s no penalty for losing

 

[IrishLax]

If it was a 4 team playoff then the rankings would be:
1 Oregon
2 ND
3 Georgia
4 Texas

5/6 Ohio State and PSU
7 Tennessee