2024 College Football Playoffs

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The ongoing discussion in the Texas A&M thread is interesting, but I think it needs it's own thread.

The next five weeks are going to be pretty exciting and a lot can change between now and the final CFP rankings.

Who will be in/out? Where will ND be ranked? What big name school(s) get left out?
 

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This week's OSU vs Penn State game looms large. If OSU loses for a second time, how far do they fall?

Texas A&M travels to Columbia, SC to play the Gamecocks. That is gonna be a difficult task - A&M coming off a big win and USC coming off a bye. An upset here would not surprise me.

Louisville could do us a favor and strengthen ND's quality of wins and knock out a contender by beating Clemson.


1 Oregon Oregon(61)8-01549-
2 Georgia Georgia(1)6-11467-
3 Penn State Penn State7-01417-
4 Ohio State Ohio State6-11324-
5 Miami Miami8-012831
6 Texas Texas7-112761
7 Tennessee Tennessee6-11081-
8 Notre Dame Notre Dame7-110004
9 BYU BYU8-09952
10 Texas A&M Texas A&M7-19724
11 Iowa State Iowa State7-09681
11 Clemson Clemson6-19682
13 Indiana Indiana8-0952-
14 Alabama Alabama6-27061
15 Boise State Boise State6-16192
16 LSU LSU6-25778
17 Kansas State Kansas State7-15711
18 Pittsburgh Pittsburgh7-05701
19 Ole Miss Ole Miss6-24711
20 SMU SMU7-14002
 

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It's interesting,... having not studied it super closely and waiting for it all to play out for the first time in this crazy format,... You would think the #8 team would be a lock if they were to win out and all I hear in these shows on ESPN and FOX is how a SEC team will be super mad if they aren't the 5th SEC in and ND makes it. Like, what?? Also, I have seen ND's SoS all over the place, as high as some rankings in the low 20s and as low as ESPN's ranking in the 60s,... how is it THAT different from one ranking to the next? It feels almost conspiratorial to a degree (yes, I know,... just being honest tho).
 

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Big 10 will have 2 ahead of us most likely, OSU and Oregon.
SEC will have 2 for sure: Georgia most likely, and either Texas or Texas A&M. Tennessee is losing again, Bama will probably lose again but they don't even have to because they won't have a SEC title shot. One of Texas or A&M will lose by default.

I believe we'll be ahead of any 2-loss SEC team unless it's Georgia. We just need to cheer for OSU, Oregon, Georgia, and then A&M in the Texas game but even then it doesn't matter.
 

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It's going to be interesting to see how SMU, Clemson, BYU, and Pitt play out. There could be an undefeated BYU and maybe even an undefeated Pitt, but we'll see. And how would they mess things up for the Top 12.
 

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It's going to be interesting to see how SMU, Clemson, BYU, and Pitt play out. There could be an undefeated BYU and maybe even an undefeated Pitt, but we'll see. And how would they mess things up for the Top 12.
Yeah, the undefeated teams that are not your usual big names could really throw a wrench in a lot of things. Indiana, BYU, Pitt, Iowa State, and even Miami being undefeated knocks out some teams that would normally get the benefit of the doubt based on name/reputation.
 

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Indiana goes to Columbus one week before Michigan goes to Columbus and could be a bigger game for Ohio State.

Nobody could have seen that coming.
I wouldnt write Michigan off just yet. Their defense is still good and it will be their super bowl. Ohio state has looked beatable...

This might be the one time I root for Michigan.
 

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I wouldnt write Michigan off just yet. Their defense is still good and it will be their super bowl. Ohio state has looked beatable...

This might be the one time I root for Michigan.
That's fine, but if IU walks into Columbus unbeaten, Ohio State is going to have a lot to play for in THAT game one week BEFORE they play Michigan. The implications of that IU game might be big picture massive versus a Michigan team coming in with multiple losses for the Buckeyes to end their losing streak to their rivals.

Ohio State can't really look past either at that point anyway.
 

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Went to the Penn State Wisconsin game this weekend and that Penn State team does not look like the #3 team in the country. Even with all the hype visiting PSU fans told me about Allar, he did not look as advertised before his injury. They're going to be one-dimensional without Allar fully healthy but with the way their schedule shakes out 11-1 is very doable.
 

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Yeah, the undefeated teams that are not your usual big names could really throw a wrench in a lot of things. Indiana, BYU, Pitt, Iowa State, and even Miami being undefeated knocks out some teams that would normally get the benefit of the doubt based on name/reputation.
If those teams go undefeated, they win their conference and finish in the top 4.
The playoff implications are a lot more complicated/interesting for the ones that lose one game and do not win their conference. How many of them will get at-large bids over bigger-name teams that might have two losses but better wins.
 

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Some interesting tidbits in this article:
The first-year executive director of the College Football Playoff attended Notre Dame’s opening night win at Texas A&M during Labor Day weekend, as the former Lieutenant General in the Air Force fills the role Bill Hancock occupied the previous 12 seasons. If the new 12-team CFP has a spokesman, it’s Clark.


And Clark had a microphone this week, trying to set expectations before the season’s first CFP rankings come out on Tuesday.

For Notre Dame, it’s worth paying attention to what Clark said. Because it feels like the goalposts might be moving before they’re installed.

“I don’t think a team would be unduly penalized if they lost in a conference championship game,” Clark said this week. “The fact that they’re in a championship game, I don’t think that is going to be a major data point that the committee will evaluate. It will just be what happened in that game.”

In the most literal sense, that could mean if Notre Dame and a Power 4 team both finish 11-1, the conference team that loses on championship weekend wouldn’t be penalized for it. Or, to pick out a more real-world scenario, if BYU and Iowa State meet in the Big 12 Championship Game both undefeated, the loser would be treated as a 12-0 team by the committee after losing. Or maybe Penn State vs. Oregon in the Big Ten. Or even Clemson vs. Miami in the ACC.

You get the point. Because for all the algorithms available to project the field at The Athletic (or anywhere else), there’s a human element we don’t understand because no one has ever set a 12-team field. How much does beating a potential SEC champion help? How much does losing to a mediocre MAC program hurt? It’s impossible to know which trap doors might open for Notre Dame, whether they bump the Irish out of hosting a first-round game or perhaps even out of the field entirely.

Who would have thought that SMU would be an issue with ND making the CFP...
According to the Sagarin, SMU’s schedule ranks No. 58 compared to Notre Dame at No. 56.

Notre Dame and SMU might feel like incongruous CFP contenders, but a look under the hood shows more similarities than differences. But that all goes away if SMU loses at home to Pitt on Saturday night. And Pitt still faces Clemson on Nov. 16, which likely would stick the loser behind Notre Dame for good.

The best case for Notre Dame? Pittsburgh takes out SMU, then falls to Clemson two weeks later.
 

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The big topic this week seems to be 11-1 IU vs 11-1 ND. Its not unanimous, that's for sure. And if IU beats Ohio St they both probably get in over us.
 

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The big topic this week seems to be 11-1 IU vs 11-1 ND. Its not unanimous, that's for sure. And if IU beats Ohio St they both probably get in over us.
I guess we'll see what happens tomorrow with Penn State, but a 10-2 Ohio State with one big win (Penn State) does not seem to be more compelling than an 11-1 Notre Dame with one big win (A&M).
 

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Is PSU wins tomorrow, OSU may be out. 10-2, lost both good games of the year, no conference title. Are we rooting for PSU to win, or OSU to bash PSU out of top 8?
 

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It sucks having to root against IU at this point...because I honestly love Cig and what's going on in Bloomington. But man it would be nice if MSU and MU could beat them and then IU could beat OSU.
 

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Just need the A&M victory shine to stay as bright as it has been in recent week. Everything about their game this week screams South Carolina by multiple scores, but I very much hope I am wrong
 

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All the debating about 11-1 ND is pointless. They are an absolute lock at 11-1. There is no debate. It doesn't matter what other teams do. It doesn't matter what happens in the championship games.

The only debate is if it's a home game or not and that is where the championship games will matter. Need them to be fairly chalk. Would be unfortunate if the 10th ranked team for example beats #1.
 

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Just need the A&M victory shine to stay as bright as it has been in recent week. Everything about their game this week screams South Carolina by multiple scores, but I very much hope I am wrong
Definitely, and I also think it's odd how quickly the pundits have quieted on Navy after making a big fuss about them getting to 6-0 and ranked, despite their weak ass schedule. So, are/were they good or not? Or were people just hoping they were for real and would knock of ND?

Then we pants those sailors and nobody is really talking about in conjunction with aTm beating an LSU team that really hasn't looked that great all year. To summarize, I'm not saying Navy is really all that good, but it's just a classic case of the media having their cake and eating it, too. Plenty of pundits picked ND to lose to Navy, but then we win by 40 and it's moot.

Hope Navy rolls to the AAC conference championship, Louisville pulls their shit together and gets to 8 or 9 wins with a quality dub over Clemson &/or Pitt, aTm rolls (maybe losing in the CCG to be placed squarely behind us) and Army keeps on rolling until they (hopefully) get blasted by ND.
 

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All the debating about 11-1 ND is pointless. They are an absolute lock at 11-1. There is no debate. It doesn't matter what other teams do. It doesn't matter what happens in the championship games.
I hope you're right but I agree with other posters that the home game is the biggest concern. There's also a larger field of "at large" teams than many of us should be hoping for at this juncture. The shitty-ass Big12 having ISU, BYU and KSU undefeated or at one loss is frustrating, the weak ACC somehow having 4 (Miami, Pitt, SMU and Clemson) in the conversation is wild to me, all in conjunction with the SEC bias that you know is going to put 3-4 teams in the conversation. Oh, and the B1G is extremely top-heavy to the tune of 3 teams in the top 5 we have to worry about, plus IU, who has an equally weak SOS as ND but fortunately for them they didn't' have the MAC blunder.

Yes, it will probably all work itself out, but the field is much more crowded than even a 12-team field should be heading into November. There were a few elimination scenarios last week (Duke OT vs. SMU, Kansas one score loss at KSU immediately come to mind) that annoyingly didn't come to fruition. I'm not including BYU as a road-dog in Orlando because that was insanity to me and I paced a hefty bet and stole vegas' money, thanks for that one.

Hoping BYU gets knocked off soon. They are such a paper tiger.
 
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I hope you're right but I agree with other posters that the home game is the biggest concern. There's also a larger field of "at large" teams than many of us should be hoping for at this juncture. The shitty-ass Big12 having ISU, BYU and KSU undefeated or at one loss is frustrating, the weak ACC somehow having 4 (Miami, Pitt, SMU and Clemson) in the conversation is wild to me, all in conjunction with the SEC bias that you know is going to put 3-4 teams in the conversation. Oh, and the B1G is extremely top-heavy to the tune of 3 teams in the top 5 we have to worry about.
This is probably the most frustrating part.

I bet we would be two-score favorites against five of those seven teams (we’re probably smaller favorite vs Miami and even odds with Clemson) but it’s quite possible nearly all of them finishes the regular season with one or fewer losses.

Two would then lose in their conference title games but if that for some reason doesn’t matter to the CFP committee we could wind up getting hosed with a low seed behind the likes of Pitt or Iowa State.
 

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This is probably the most frustrating part.

I bet we would be two-score favorites against five of those seven teams (we’re probably smaller favorite vs Miami and even odds with Clemson) but it’s quite possible nearly all of them finishes the regular season with one or fewer losses.

Two would then lose in their conference title games but if that for some reason doesn’t matter to the CFP committee we could wind up getting hosed with a low seed behind the likes of Pitt or Iowa State.
Exactly the worry. It could be the ACC that screws us...like most Saturdays
 

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We will finish no lower than 7th in the final CFP rankings with one loss. It doesn't mean we will get the 7th seed though.
 

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Do the math guys, we are not a lock at11-1.
Seven at large bids. Could easily go to runners up in ACC and Big12 (remember conference championship losses are not real losses) and three to either SEC and Big10 and two to the one who doesn’t get three.
I’m particularly worried about IU and BYU since the media is fascinated with them.
 

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Do the math guys, we are not a lock at11-1.
Seven at large bids. Could easily go to runners up in ACC and Big12 (remember conference championship losses are not real losses) and three to either SEC and Big10 and two to the one who doesn’t get three.
I’m particularly worried about IU and BYU since the media is fascinated with them.
Look at past CFP standings post-conference championship weekend. The lowest one-loss P4/5 team is typically between 4-7.

 

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Do the math guys, we are not a lock at11-1.
Seven at large bids. Could easily go to runners up in ACC and Big12 (remember conference championship losses are not real losses) and three to either SEC and Big10 and two to the one who doesn’t get three.
I’m particularly worried about IU and BYU since the media is fascinated with them.
Lock of the year
 

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Do the math guys, we are not a lock at11-1.
Seven at large bids. Could easily go to runners up in ACC and Big12 (remember conference championship losses are not real losses) and three to either SEC and Big10 and two to the one who doesn’t get three.
I’m particularly worried about IU and BYU since the media is fascinated with them.
Part of the fallacy in this line of thinking is believing all of these teams will win out. The odds of that happening is dimishingly low.
 
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