Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[thekid33]

Yup.

I think you can learn to improve against the inferior teams.

But, you either have "it" or you don't in the Big games.

The evidence against BK in big games is damning.

 

[stlnd01]

Yup.

I think you can learn to improve against the inferior teams.

But, you either have "it" or you don't in the Big games.

The evidence against BK in big games is damning.

Said this just now in one of the other threads, but you saw it last night.
He doesn't adjust in-game very well (giving up one drive with the new A&M QB is fine but the entire second half LSU looked like they'd never seen a mobile QB before) and his teams often play tight in big games so once something goes bad it tends to snowball.
Those are both on the coaching.

 

[IrishLax]

lol, lmao even

 

[irishandy]

I like ND's operation! Give me MFMF over Kelly; Kelly not winning big games at LSU is the same story while he was at ND.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

lol, lmao even

Wait you’re saying ND has played more ranked teams than them and they’re in the vaunted $EC? Weird.

 

[Hautian Domer]

lol, lmao even

It worked out like it was supposed to. LSU took Kelly off our hands and handled his buyout. We promoted a coach that we like more and who we have more faith in and at a cheaper price.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

lol, lmao even

Nay, rofl

 

[Old Man Mike]

My view is that we have our old coach to thank: for both getting LSU below us in the rankings AND getting A&M an impressive win, which is driving somewhat unwilling voters to push us up the ranks partly because they want A&M up there.

Now we want LSU to knock out some higher SEC team (making them fall under us, if so), and not caring anymore about how many he wins or loses otherwise. And ROOT, ROOT, for A&M.

None of this matters obviously if we don't sweep; so it's still on us. If we do, we're WAY "in." Helps us really if all three of our ex-coaches win at this stage. {including Vandy and Coach Lee obviously.) [I obviously don't give one sh!t about history and "likes" or dislikes. --- when on the court in Basketball, I passed the ball to shitheads every time if it got us wins. Maybe that's a character flaw, but I'll take wins every legal way I can, and maybe even stretch the line just a tiny bit (I'll admit to questionable hidden fouling now and then.)] Cheer, Cheer, for Old Notre Dame.

... by one of her very old "Loyal Sons."

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

Firmly believe BK as ND coach would have a 7-1 record now but they would have lost in College Station and beaten NIU. Having to choose between the two, I’d take the MF scenario all day, as painful as NIU is.

Yes, better to win the big games IMO. But to be fair Kelly was very capable of laying eggs against bad teams.

 

[thekid33]

Yes, better to win the big games IMO. But to be fair Kelly was very capable of laying eggs against bad teams.

Early on, and then he improved. If MF can follow suite the sky is the limit because he wins the games BK never did.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

He'll be the first LSU HC since Gerry DiNardo not to win a National Championship.

I'm here for it.

 

[Free Manera]

He'll be the first LSU HC since Gerry DiNardo not to win a National Championship.

I'm here for it.

You need to throw a reverse jinx on that asap. Here I'll get it before it's too late - There is no WAY Kelly doesn't win a championship there with all that talent in his backyard and the RESOURCES to compete for championships annually. In fact he is almost guaranteed to win 4 out of the next 5.

 

[Irish2155]

14 years ago yesterday Brian Kelly killed a student. RIP Declan

 

[ulukinatme]

14 years ago yesterday Brian Kelly killed a student. RIP Declan

I've got no love lost for Kelly, but the head coach has nothing to do with videography. Declan answered to someone in the Athletic Department if I recall, probably someone under Swarbrick. It was a tragic accident, someone probably should have been fired for negligence whether it was Swarbrick himself or someone under him.

 

[ndfanatic78]

I've got no love lost for Kelly, but I think it's safe to say the head coach has nothing to do with videography. Declan probably answered to someone in the Athletic Department, someone under Swarbrick. It was a tragic accident, someone probably should have been fired for negligence whether it was Swarbrick himself or someone under him.

It was Kelly's decision to put him up there. Why would Swarbrick care about video taping Football practices. That is something the football team would control not the AD. The AD also wouldn't tell a student go video tape the Basketball practices. again that is something the coaches do not the AD.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

It was Kelly's decision to put him up there. Why would Swarbrick care about video taping Football practices. That is something the football team would control not the AD. The AD also wouldn't tell a student go video tape the Basketball practices. again that is something the coaches do not the AD.

It was not Kelly's decision. Kelly had no say in it. He was only allowed to determine whether practice was inside or out. Others over the student managers made the decisions regarding lift use. And those people are not part of the football program or under Kelly's authority. The school had protocols but they failed for a number of reasons which were all outlined in the university's report.

 

[ulukinatme]

It was Kelly's decision to put him up there. Why would Swarbrick care about video taping Football practices. That is something the football team would control not the AD. The AD also wouldn't tell a student go video tape the Basketball practices. again that is something the coaches do not the AD.

Videography is not under the umbrella of the football staff. Kelly is in charge of 85+ players and walkons, as well as the coaching staff and trainers under him. Sullivan wasn't under his authority. As @Pops Freshenmeyer mentioned, this is not new information. I didn't say the AD was directly in charge, but it was under the Athletic Department's authority. It would have been people underneath.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

It was not Kelly's decision. Kelly had no say in it. He was only allowed to determine whether practice was inside or out. Others over the student managers made the decisions regarding lift use. And those people are not part of the football program or under Kelly's authority. The school had protocols but they failed for a number of reasons which were all outlined in the university's report.

When I played and coached in college, the decision to practice in inclement weather was always made by the athletic training staff. Not sure if that's standard practice, but at 4 different institutions and different levels it was the case.

 

[dankgesang]

14 years ago yesterday Brian Kelly killed a student. RIP Declan

 

[thekid33]

When I played and coached in college, the decision to practice in inclement weather was always made by the athletic training staff. Not sure if that's standard practice, but at 4 different institutions and different levels it was the case.

I've only played up to HS level and coach MS but this has always been my experience as well.

BK is a jackass for enough other reasons. We don't need to add on the tragic death of Declan to the reasons to not like BK.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

14 years ago yesterday Brian Kelly killed a student. RIP Declan

Sorry but this was an athletic department screw up and a lack of safety protocols regarding proper use of scissor lifts. Anyone who has spent any time in a scissor lift that goes over 25 feet up knows that you don’t have to move in the cab but a little to disturb and cause swaying. Add high winds to it and I was the least shocked person in the world that this happened. I’m more shocked that a school of NDs status let this slip through the safety protocols. They should have had a fixed base column and stairs or stable scaffolding in place rather than using a scissor lift. I’d say Declan should have known better but I doubt he was informed of the dangers and agin that falls on the school.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Videography is not under the umbrella of the football staff. Kelly is in charge of 85+ players and walkons, as well as the coaching staff and trainers under him. Sullivan wasn't under his authority. As @Pops Freshenmeyer mentioned, this is not new information. I didn't say the AD was directly in charge, but it was under the Athletic Department's authority. It would have been people underneath.

It’s essentially a work place safety issue. The school and hence the athletic department should have had a policy in place to prevent use of scissor lifts in inclement weather. This is common OSHA type worker safety shit. They should have been using super tall scissor lifts in the first place. They should have had a fixed base structure like a cantilever column with stairs or a solid scaffolding erected instead of the scissor lift. I’ve seen tons of work place accidents from scissor lifts extended to their max height and then tip over due to excessive movement in the cab from the worker or winds. Blows my mind this happened when it did.


You can bet contractors that work on school grounds have safety plans in place and train their people how to properly use these things. They are likely required to to do work on campus but the school didn’t take the same policy regarding their use in athletics.
People also tend to try to move the scissor lifts while they are extended up in the air is this is absolutely the dumbest thing you can do. No one is surviving a 30+foot free fall when the cab is fully extended and tips over.

 

[NorthDakota]

I am bitter with Kelly for many things. Blaming him for the death of a student is tacky.

Thank you Cack for the analysis

 

[Wild Bill]

I don’t know all the details of the situation, but it’s hard to believe that nobody on the field that day saw him on that lift and thought, "maybe this isn’t the best idea."

 

[Hautian Domer]

14 years ago yesterday Brian Kelly killed a student. RIP Declan

We’ve been over this ad nauseam — that was not Kelly’s fault nor under his direction.

Look, I don’t like Kelly anymore or any less than all of you, but to bring something so tragic, the death of a student, and to shift it on Kelly is pretty low class.

Kelly decided to practice outdoors. The university and the video coordinating crew made the decision to utilize the scissor lift despite knowing the inclement weather.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

My view is that we have our old coach to thank: for both getting LSU below us in the rankings AND getting A&M an impressive win, which is driving somewhat unwilling voters to push us up the ranks partly because they want A&M up there.

Now we want LSU to knock out some higher SEC team (making them fall under us, if so), and not caring anymore about how many he wins or loses otherwise. And ROOT, ROOT, for A&M.

None of this matters obviously if we don't sweep; so it's still on us. If we do, we're WAY "in." Helps us really if all three of our ex-coaches win at this stage. {including Vandy and Coach Lee obviously.) [I obviously don't give one sh!t about history and "likes" or dislikes. --- when on the court in Basketball, I passed the ball to shitheads every time if it got us wins. Maybe that's a character flaw, but I'll take wins every legal way I can, and maybe even stretch the line just a tiny bit (I'll admit to questionable hidden fouling now and then.)] Cheer, Cheer, for Old Notre Dame.

... by one of her very old "Loyal Sons."

Pick your poison time, assuming both teams win out other than this game:

Root for LSU to beat Bama, LSU probably makes playoffs

Root for Bama to beat LSU, Bama probably makes playoffs

Roll Tide


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[Pops Freshenmeyer]

It’s essentially a work place safety issue. The school and hence the athletic department should have had a policy in place to prevent use of scissor lifts in inclement weather. This is common OSHA type worker safety shit. They should have been using super tall scissor lifts in the first place. They should have had a fixed base structure like a cantilever column with stairs or a solid scaffolding erected instead of the scissor lift. I’ve seen tons of work place accidents from scissor lifts extended to their max height and then tip over due to excessive movement in the cab from the worker or winds. Blows my mind this happened when it did.


You can bet contractors that work on school grounds have safety plans in place and train their people how to properly use these things. They are likely required to to do work on campus but the school didn’t take the same policy regarding their use in athletics.
People also tend to try to move the scissor lifts while they are extended up in the air is this is absolutely the dumbest thing you can do. No one is surviving a 30+foot free fall when the cab is fully extended and tips over.

The policy was that everyone using the lifts was to receive mandatory training but somehow the school neglected to add the student managers to that list. They never received any safety training at all.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

We’ve been over this ad nauseam — that was not Kelly’s fault nor under his direction.

Look, I don’t like Kelly anymore or any less than all of you, but to bring something so tragic, the death of a student, and to shift it on Kelly is pretty low class.

Kelly decided to practice outdoors. The university and the video coordinating crew made the decision to utilize the scissor lift despite knowing the inclement weather.

Another factor was that it was before the ubiquity of smart phones. The weather data the school was using was an hour behind real time and never reviewed or updated once practice began. The weather turned out worse than anticipated, with higher winds than expected but there was nobody tracking or accounting for this information.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I don’t know all the details of the situation, but it’s hard to believe that nobody on the field that day saw him on that lift and thought, "maybe this isn’t the best idea."

The policy was that everyone using the lifts was to receive mandatory training but somehow the school neglected to add the student managers to that list. They never received any safety training at all.

Makes sense. If Declan had been trained to not use the lift in inclement weather as he should have, I doubt he would have and then posted on SM about how terrified he was and kept on doing his "job".

 

[IrishLax]

It’s essentially a work place safety issue. The school and hence the athletic department should have had a policy in place to prevent use of scissor lifts in inclement weather. This is common OSHA type worker safety shit. They should have been using super tall scissor lifts in the first place. They should have had a fixed base structure like a cantilever column with stairs or a solid scaffolding erected instead of the scissor lift. I’ve seen tons of work place accidents from scissor lifts extended to their max height and then tip over due to excessive movement in the cab from the worker or winds. Blows my mind this happened when it did.


You can bet contractors that work on school grounds have safety plans in place and train their people how to properly use these things. They are likely required to to do work on campus but the school didn’t take the same policy regarding their use in athletics.
People also tend to try to move the scissor lifts while they are extended up in the air is this is absolutely the dumbest thing you can do. No one is surviving a 30+foot free fall when the cab is fully extended and tips over.

Nailed it. In no scenario is someone like Brian Kelly supposed to know what wind loads a scissor lift is rated for. He is not a "competent person."

The University is absolutely culpable for what happened, but the "Brian Kelly killed a kid" thing always rubbed me the wrong way.