Aug 31 | Texas A&M

[ulukinatme]

ND too high in my opinion

I would say maybe that was true during the Willingham and some of the other lean years. I think the upgrades to the stadium and the winning the last several years have changed that a bit.

 

[pumpdog20]

ND fans need to be a lot better during day games

 

[ulukinatme]

ND fans need to be a lot better during day games

Need to sell beer for that, not enough tailgate time.

 

[arndtjc]

Need to sell beer for that, not enough tailgate time.

Sounds like you need to wake up earlier

 

[Crazy Balki]

Alabama at 2 immediately destroys the credibility of that list.

I've been to a few games there, and it's nowhere near one of the toughest or loudest environments. It's not bad, but it's not on the same level as Death Valley (both of them) or Between the Hedges or Beaver Stadium.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Alabama at 2 immediately destroys the credibility of that list.

I've been to a few games there, and it's nowhere near one of the toughest or loudest environments. It's not bad, but it's not on the same level as Death Valley (both of them) or Between the Hedges or Beaver Stadium.

LSU night games at home are beyond crazy……..

 

[ND7983]

Alabama at 2 immediately destroys the credibility of that list.

I've been to a few games there, and it's nowhere near one of the toughest or loudest environments. It's not bad, but it's not on the same level as Death Valley (both of them) or Between the Hedges or Beaver Stadium.

Nick Saban went on a rant a couple years ago about how Bama fans leave early or don’t show up at all to games.
Bama lost more home games under Saban in their title runs than away games.

 

[arrowryan]

This probably means nothing, but Weigman’s throw wasn’t even close. Like, barely in the same area code.

 

[INLaw]

This probably means nothing, but Weigman’s throw wasn’t even close. Like, barely in the same area code.

Brandon Wimbush and the nets bad

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

50 days away.

 

[condoms SUCk]

For those in Texas, the Dallas ND Alumni club has more 2 tickets availble for auction. I got the OSU and SC home tix from there over the past few years, it's legit.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

We gonna smoke these calfs!

 

[IA4irish]

'You Lied': Mack Brown Takes Shot at Texas A&M Aggies' Mike Elko During ACC Kickoff

Former Texas Longhorns and current North Carolina Tarheels head coach Mack Brown isn't exactly known for being a harsh critic. Even during his his time in Aust

www.si.com

Good for Mack brown to call out Elko. I know negative recruiting happens everywhere, but I’m glad when coaches push back. I think we in particular have coaches negative recruit against us.

 

[bige4irish]

'You Lied': Mack Brown Takes Shot at Texas A&M Aggies' Mike Elko During ACC Kickoff

Former Texas Longhorns and current North Carolina Tarheels head coach Mack Brown isn't exactly known for being a harsh critic. Even during his his time in Aust

www.si.com

Good for Mack brown to call out Elko. I know negative recruiting happens everywhere, but I’m glad when coaches push back. I think we in particular have coaches negative recruit against us.

Joe Paterno was in his mid eighties when he was dismissed at penn st. Coach Brown is, I think 72 years old & he seems a lot more spunky than Joe pa did in his last 15 years. As an older high school football coach myself (57 years old), being around the young folks makes me feel younger than my years. I am sure Coach Brown feels the same. Good for him for calling elko out on it. I know it happens everywhere, but not many coaches acknowledge it and force it to be out there in the public. To me, it’s like a politician that only talks about what their opponent has done and doesn’t discuss what they can do. Makes Elko look like, IMO, he can’t compete coaching wise with Coach Brown so he has to try and knock him.

 

[IA4irish]

Austin Mock's model ranks the top 25 college football teamsCollege football top 25: A model’s rankings and projected win totals for 2024

One of the writers at the Athletic has a computer model for rankings. This is an overall power ranking that takes into account box scores, recruiting, returning production. We are 9th. Number 10 is A&M. We are projected at 9.4 wins. We play 4 teams in the rankings

 

[MrNimbus]

'You Lied': Mack Brown Takes Shot at Texas A&M Aggies' Mike Elko During ACC Kickoff

Former Texas Longhorns and current North Carolina Tarheels head coach Mack Brown isn't exactly known for being a harsh critic. Even during his his time in Aust

www.si.com

Good for Mack brown to call out Elko. I know negative recruiting happens everywhere, but I’m glad when coaches push back. I think we in particular have coaches negative recruit against us.

I've never wanted to win players over by negative recruiting tactics. Let your school speak for itself. Urban Meyer comes to my mind immediately whenever I hear "negative recruiting".

 

[PutuporShutup]

I've never wanted to win players over by negative recruiting tactics. Let your school speak for itself. Urban Meyer comes to my mind immediately whenever I hear "negative recruiting".

Agree but the 4 for 40 or 4 for life mantra is a dig at other schools academics

 

[IHateMarkMay]

Agree but the 4 for 40 or 4 for life mantra is a dig at other schools academics

I see where you are coming from, as in "we do this" meaning you can't get this everywhere. However, that's like saying Bama negatively recruits by saying they put kids in the NFL or UGA saying they have the best chance to win championships.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I see where you are coming from, as in "we do this" meaning you can't get this everywhere. However, that's like saying Bama negatively recruits by saying they put kids in the NFL or UGA saying they have the best chance to win championships.

Or “we put wrs in the nfl, that other school you are interested in (nd) doesn’t”

“The nd degree will set you up for life, the other schools you’re interested in don’t have that”

 

[IrishLion]

Agree but the 4 for 40 or 4 for life mantra is a dig at other schools academics

Disagree.

Neg recruiting is when your primary selling point is about another school's shortfall directly, moreso than the positives of your own program.

ND's "4 for 40" pitch is a strict ND focus. They aren't mentioning the other schools they're recruiting against when they make that pitch (from what I've been told by two people who have been in recruiting visits).

scUM trying to sell their WR production vs ND's recently would be negative recruiting, because their draft success hasn't been much better than ND's in that regard.

scUM selling their defense as elite and referencing stats from other places is kind of neg recruiting... but not really, because the primary pitch is driven by their own success, not the shortfall of other programs.

 

[stlnd01]

I think what might be fairly construed as neg recruiting is not so much that Notre Dame pitches "4 for 40" for itself, as the way we all roll our eyes when other schools (like, say, Ohio State) claim similar.

But we message board heroes are not the ones doing the recruiting. I'd be curious how our coaches counter the claims that going to Ohio State will set you up for life basically just as well (b/c the reality is, for most of these kids, attending Ohio State will also probably turn out just fine. It seems to have worked well for our head coach).

 

[PutuporShutup]

Disagree.

Neg recruiting is when your primary selling point is about another school's shortfall directly, moreso than the positives of your own program.

ND's "4 for 40" pitch is a strict ND focus. They aren't mentioning the other schools they're recruiting against when they make that pitch (from what I've been told by two people who have been in recruiting visits).

scUM trying to sell their WR production vs ND's recently would be negative recruiting, because their draft success hasn't been much better than ND's in that regard.

scUM selling their defense as elite and referencing stats from other places is kind of neg recruiting... but not really, because the primary pitch is driven by their own success, not the shortfall of other programs.

Nds mantra isn’t directed at a specific school but they absolutely are talking to recruits about nds degree vs other specific schools when in a recruiting battle. Nd 100% shares NDs graduation rates for its players and shows the rates of say lsu when battling them for a recruit.

With that said, my understanding is ND does far less negative recruiting than most.

 

[drayer54]

Nds mantra isn’t directed at a specific school but they absolutely are talking to recruits about nds degree vs other specific schools when in a recruiting battle. Nd 100% shares NDs graduation rates for its players and shows the rates of say lsu when battling them for a recruit.

With that said, my understanding is ND does far less negative recruiting than most.

When discussing academics at LSU, one should never forget...

Morris Claiborne Was Pick 6 In NFL Draft, But A Score 4 On Wonderlic. Why You Should Care

Raise your hand if you’ve heard of the provocatively named Wonderlic Test? Thought so. I hadn’t heard of it either. Turns out, it’s used by every NFL team to determine not strength, not speed, not toughness – all standard measures of football prowess – but smarts. LSU Tiger, now Dallas Cowboy...

www.forbes.com

This is because Mr. Claiborne’s woeful score suggests that he spent three years playing football at the finest public university that Louisiana has to offer and came out functionally illiterate.

 

[Katzenboyer]

I've never wanted to win players over by negative recruiting tactics. Let your school speak for itself. Urban Meyer comes to my mind immediately whenever I hear "negative recruiting".

Any list of negative recruiters has to start with James Franklin. Guy is a complete POS when it comes to badmouthing other programs.

It's even more laughable that he tends to play the "holier than thou" card when making public statements about OTHER schools neg recruiting PSU. Really dislike the guy.

 

[Fbolt]

Disagree.

Neg recruiting is when your primary selling point is about another school's shortfall directly, moreso than the positives of your own program.

ND's "4 for 40" pitch is a strict ND focus. They aren't mentioning the other schools they're recruiting against when they make that pitch (from what I've been told by two people who have been in recruiting visits).

scUM trying to sell their WR production vs ND's recently would be negative recruiting, because their draft success hasn't been much better than ND's in that regard.

scUM selling their defense as elite and referencing stats from other places is kind of neg recruiting... but not really, because the primary pitch is driven by their own success, not the shortfall of other programs.

I was going to say Brilliant post but then realized you're responding to Super-Donk, whom I have on my one-person Ignore List.

 

[MrNimbus]

I've changed my mind. If someone wants to use this for nd while recruiting against certain teams I'm all for it

4 for 40 vs...

Then when they actually commit somewhere else:
"Hope your 40 time is great, because you'll have to catch the bus when you don't make the nfl and already blew through all your nil money you piece of shit."
But I've also had several beers tonight. It's 10am somewhere, am I right?

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Nds mantra isn’t directed at a specific school but they absolutely are talking to recruits about nds degree vs other specific schools when in a recruiting battle. Nd 100% shares NDs graduation rates for its players and shows the rates of say lsu when battling them for a recruit.

With that said, my understanding is ND does far less negative recruiting than most.

I agree with Lion and completely disagree with you trying to spin a general "4 for 40" as anyway neg recruiting. Allow me to mansplain.

ND saying "we are a great academic institution" isn't negative recruiting another school. Literally at all.

Negative recruiting is like BK saying "We have great facilities; ND Has shitty facilities."

In and of itself, saying "we have state of the art facilities and dorms" isn't negative recruiting. It's boasting about what your school could offer. ND saying, think about the long term, it's 4 for 40 here, great football, great education" isn't negative recruiting until they say "LSU's degree is literally the equivalent of Charmin Ultra Strong."

It's not that complicated. There's a big difference.

 

[DONTH8]

I agree with Lion and completely disagree with you trying to spin a general "4 for 40" as anyway neg recruiting. Allow me to mansplain.

ND saying "we are a great academic institution" isn't negative recruiting another school. Literally at all.

Negative recruiting is like BK saying "We have great facilities; ND Has shitty facilities."

In and of itself, saying "we have state of the art facilities and dorms" isn't negative recruiting. It's boasting about what your school could offer. ND saying, think about the long term, it's 4 for 40 here, great football, great education" isn't negative recruiting until they say "LSU's degree is literally the equivalent of Charmin Ultra Strong."

It's not that complicated. There's a big difference.

I think it just shows why PutUp's mindset always comes across as contrarian or pessimistic since he thinks beyond the general statement to what it's inferring. Not a bad thing, per se. Just a different way to view the world/statement.

I can understand what he's saying. There is that inference to be had if someone wants to look at it that way. And I believe that everyone would to some extent think that when making their final decision at least subconsciously. But in that world, there is no such thing as positive recruiting since there would always be an inference of a "negative."

I think you think the same way I do about what is "negative recruiting." But from a literal sense, which is where I think PutUp is coming from, I understand what they are saying. It's a circular argument since I think the definition here is in the eye of the beholder. Nothing more.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I agree with Lion and completely disagree with you trying to spin a general "4 for 40" as anyway neg recruiting. Allow me to mansplain.

ND saying "we are a great academic institution" isn't negative recruiting another school. Literally at all.

Negative recruiting is like BK saying "We have great facilities; ND Has shitty facilities."

In and of itself, saying "we have state of the art facilities and dorms" isn't negative recruiting. It's boasting about what your school could offer. ND saying, think about the long term, it's 4 for 40 here, great football, great education" isn't negative recruiting until they say "LSU's degree is literally the equivalent of Charmin Ultra Strong."

It's not that complicated. There's a big difference.

Agree but when ND is going against Georgia for a player as an example and gives its nd football graduation rate vs georgia (since Georgia was last recently), isn’t that negative recruiting? That happens

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I continue to see some scenarios coming from here and there among ND fans, pundits, etc. that suggest ND could lose this TAMU opener and then win out. If you're giving me that on a silver platter on August 1st, I'd be inclined to say yes, but I really think they can go down there and beat them regardless.

By that same token, I could see an 11-1 finish at the end despite beating TAMU.