Trump Presidency

[NorthDakota]

Why? The economy is great. The jobs are available. Market is solid. We have the best inflation rate in the world of the G7. I’m doing great. Biden hasn’t committed any crimes…..NATO has expanded, we are actively ruining Russia by the day with $400 FPV drones. We are pretty much supporting Israel…. Not sure what the problem is other than he is old.


He didn’t steal top secret documents and keep the hidden from the FBI. He hasn’t committed fraud to get elected. He didn’t get convicted of 34 felonies, rape, and owe nearly $500 million in judgements against him. He didnt have an army of syncopjants commit crimes and try to steal an election in at least five states…. He didn’t attempt to stop the certification of an election and remain in power in complete opposition of our constitution. Biden didn’t extort Ukraine for political dirt. I mean I could go on even after this.

If you are upset Biden is president fine but we are doing much better than ever before in almost all economic categories.

Who got convicted of rape?

 

[greyhammer90]

I'm not voting for Trump. I'm voting for the 2000 bureaucrats that come with the newly minted felon.

What's next?

Biden, Obama or Hillary being tried on something/anything in a state where they can pack a jury stacked full of non-NYers?

The extremists on both sides have crossed lines that won't be easy to walk back. Being President just became the equivalent to the Governor of Illinois. Get elected & get convicted. Welcome to the United Republic of Bananas.

Wild levels of slippery slope reasoning. By this logic, even if a politician is guilty of a crime, we shouldn't ever prosecute them because of the implication it might create.

I also hate this assumption that the jury was crooked because they are from Manhattan. They are normal citizens trying to do their civic duty. The majority are professionals who were court ordered to appear and do this thing. In my experience in litigation, the jury process tends to impart the seriousness of the situation and most people rise to those occasions when the rubber meets the road and truly put their biases aside in those moments.

Even if you assume that everyone is just a political grifter who wants to side with their party, about 13%* of people in Manhattan voted for Trump in 2020. There are good odds that multiple members of that jury were Trump voters.

*Corrected thanks to NorthDakota

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

You don't believe the last one. In fact you KNOW he has. BTW, I don't care about all the shenanigans he's pulled either.

Him and the dingbat can't be gone soon enough.

I don’t know he has. None of th GOP house investigations has shown anything. What evidence do you have and if so you should bring it to the attention of the authorities. If evidence emerges and he is brought up on charges then he should stand trial. I’m all for it.
I want a Commander in Chief in charge not a Criminal in Chief.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

These were the legitimate court cases. The NY case has been and will always be a farce.

I despise Trump, but concocting a new legal theory to fulfill a campaign promise to prosecute Trump (even though the Feds passed on it) was always a joke.

We all knew that this was the likely verdict. Given the contortion of the legal argument in this case, I'm guessing it will likely be overturned.

I'm much more interested in the legitimate court case in Georgia and the documents case.

What do you mean creating a new legal theory? It’s been standard legal policy in NY for ever. His charges had two parts and involved a conspiracy to commit election fraud via fraudulent business practices. The 12 jurors were presented the law and the basis for violating those laws and they found unanimously on all 34 counts that he did participate in a conspiracy to commit election fraud.

That’s the justice system at work right? No one just made this up out of thin air.

Trump Convicted: Here Are The Election And Tax Laws He Was Charged With Breaking

Trump has only been charged with falsification of business records, but jurors would also have to find he did it to cover up an underlying crime.

www.forbes.com

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Why is it sad for them? Tomorrow he will still lead in the polls and then pardon everyone come 01/20/2025.

See my previous post. Dems are overpeerforming all polls in every election the presidential one by double digits even in Trump districts. They have won nearly all special elections since then as well. The issue is that the polls are wrong and still can’t accurately gauge young voter and women turnout accurately.

 

[greyhammer90]

Who got convicted of rape?

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Just busting your balls. You are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.

 

[BobbyMac]

I don’t know he has. None of th GOP house investigations has shown anything. What evidence do you have and if so you should bring it to the attention of the authorities. If evidence emerges and he is brought up on charges then he should stand trial. I’m all for it.
I want a Commander in Chief in charge not a Criminal in Chief.

Bookmarked.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Bookmarked.

Great!

 

[calvegas04]

Welcome to the United Republic of Bananas.

Sounds tropical

 

[NorthDakota]

Wild levels of slippery slope reasoning. By this logic, even if a politician is guilty of a crime, we shouldn't ever prosecute them because of the implication it might create.

I also hate this assumption that the jury was crooked because they are from Manhattan. They are normal citizens trying to do their civic duty. The majority are professionals who were court ordered to appear and do this thing. In my experience in litigation, the jury process tends to impart the seriousness of the situation and most people rise to those occasions when the rubber meets the road and truly put their biases aside in those moments.

Even if you assume that everyone is just a political grifter who wants to side with their party, about 25% of people in Manhattan voted for Trump in 2020. There are EXTREMELY good odds that multiple members of that jury were Trump voters.

Ordinarily, I would agree you can count on a jury to take things somewhat seriously. But we should probably consider some external factors in a situation like this.

1) Donald is Donald. Probably the most polarizing political figure in living memory.
In 2020, 12.8%, not 25%, of New York County (Manhattan) voted for Donald. So the likelihood of multiple Trump voters on the jury is pretty low, particularly when you account for turnout. If this trial was in Staten Island or Queens, that would have been much better optics.

2) the jury have friends, family, coworkers. It's safe to say a majority of them would convict Donald of just about anything. Potentially and probably lots of external pressure to convicted.

3) he's gonna get what? Probation? Makes it easy for holdouts to wash their hands and say "no harm, no foul."

4) the judge was problematic to say the least from everything I read/listened to (I listen or read anything to the right of Larry Tribe).

 

[NorthDakota]

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Just busting your balls. You are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.

I only do civil litigation, I'm very happy to have the "more likely than not" standard applied to my cases! But I've never got anyone convicted or found guilty of anything lol

 

[greyhammer90]

Ordinarily, I would agree you can count on a jury to take things somewhat seriously. But we should probably consider some external factors in a situation like this.

1) Donald is Donald. Probably the most polarizing political figure in living memory.
In 2020, 12.8%, not 25%, of New York County (Manhattan) voted for Donald. So the likelihood of multiple Trump voters on the jury is pretty low, particularly when you account for turnout. If this trial was in Staten Island or Queens, that would have been much better optics.

2) the jury have friends, family, coworkers. It's safe to say a majority of them would convict Donald of just about anything. Potentially and probably lots of external pressure to convicted.

3) he's gonna get what? Probation? Makes it easy for holdouts to wash their hands and say "no harm, no foul."

4) the judge was problematic to say the least from everything I read/listened to (I listen or read anything to the right of Larry Tribe).

Apologies on the 25% thing being off the mark. Google apparently can't be trusted. Even so, still mathematically good odds one or more individuals were Trump voters, especially with voir dire.

Most of the rest I disagree with because it basically just boils down to the idea that the jury system can't be trusted when things get hard. (And that's a fine thing to disagree on, there's lots of good reason to be wary of the criminal justice procedure at large.) As to the point about the judge, I can't conform or deny, but if he's been outrageous as claimed then Trump will have an easy appeal.

Bottom line, I think the idea that we're entering Banana Republic territory is a gross overstatement and plays into the narrative that Trump wants to create. Trump's entire persona is pushing the system to it's limit and claiming persecuted victim when it bites back with consequences. He got due process and will continue to get due process through every step of this procedure. That's not a Banana Republic.

 

[ulukinatme]

That's hilarious I still need one of those shirts, I just can't give the money to Biden.

 

[NorthDakota]

Apologies on the 25% thing being off the mark. Google apparently can't be trusted. Even so, still mathematically good odds one or more individuals were Trump voters, especially with voir dire.

Most of the rest I disagree with because it basically just boils down to the idea that the jury system can't be trusted when things get hard. (And that's a fine thing to disagree on, there's lots of good reason to be wary of the criminal justice procedure at large.) As to the point about the judge, I can't conform or deny, but if he's been outrageous as claimed then Trump will have an easy appeal.

Bottom line, I think the idea that we're entering Banana Republic territory is a gross overstatement and plays into the narrative that Trump wants to create. Trump's entire persona is pushing the system to it's limit and claiming persecuted victim when it bites back with consequences. He got due process and will continue to get due process through every step of this procedure. That's not a Banana Republic.

I don't know about the last point. He does push limits and all that, no dispute there. Politicians have been prosecuted before and people have understood it to be perfectly fine. Isn't Bob Menendez in hot water again? Something with gold bars?

But here, a prosecutor ran for office on the platform of prosecuting a specific individual, and it's no secret it was strictly for political reasons.

That's the problem here. Obviously there is due process and such. Hopefully if the trial was not on the up-and-up it gets sorted out on appeal. The wheels of justice are also quite slow, which has its own problems. The big thing is he wasn't prosecuted for violating laws, he was prosecuted for being a loud mouth jackass who beat Hillary Clinton 8 years ago.

Had he lost, this never happens.

I think it's gonna backfire anyway, and hopefully that shuts this sorta thing down before it gets out of hand. Harvard says people commit three felonies on average every day. I don't really believe that - or it's super skewed towards high offenders - but you'll find something on nearly anyone if you look hard enough.

 

[NorthDakota]

That's hilarious I still need one of those shirts, I just can't give the money to Biden.

That's very funny.

 

[BobbyMac]

Harvard says people commit three felonies on average every day. I don't really believe that

Believe it.


This is what that saying's based on:

Three Felonies a Day

The average professional in this country wakes up in the morning, goes to work, comes home, eats dinner, and then goes to sleep, unaware that he or she has likely committed several federal crimes that day. Why? The answer lies in the very nature of modern federal criminal laws, which have...

books.google.com

And this is where it all started:

“Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime": Lavrentiy Beria - Stalin's Chief of Secret Police

 

[TracyGraham]

Why? The economy is great. The jobs are available. Market is solid. We have the best inflation rate in the world of the G7. I’m doing great. Biden hasn’t committed any crimes…..NATO has expanded, we are actively ruining Russia by the day with $400 FPV drones. We are pretty much supporting Israel…. Not sure what the problem is other than he is old.


He didn’t steal top secret documents and keep the hidden from the FBI. He hasn’t committed fraud to get elected. He didn’t get convicted of 34 felonies, rape, and owe nearly $500 million in judgements against him. He didnt have an army of syncopjants commit crimes and try to steal an election in at least five states…. He didn’t attempt to stop the certification of an election and remain in power in complete opposition of our constitution. Biden didn’t extort Ukraine for political dirt. I mean I could go on even after this.

If you are upset Biden is president fine but we are doing much better than ever before in almost all economic categories.

And I’ll go on record and say that if Trump is the nominee in November Biden will win easily. In all elections since the presidential election Dems are over performing polls routinely by 10+ points nationwide and have won nearly all special elections, will pick up at least 7-10 seats just from fixing illegal GOP drawn maps and and a handful of competing seats just. Cause Trump is on the ticket. Down ballots are gonna be a bloodbath for the GOP. Add in abortion rights on the ballot in swing states and the GOP are gone learn some things.

Just graduated from a top 20 MBA program. Usually about 90-95% have jobs secured at graduation. It seems this year is the worst since the great recession as about 60% of my classmates have secured jobs. Not sure why job reports keep saying economy is booming. Maybe if you want to work at a low level service job its great.

 

[TorontoGold]

The guy who's crackhead son managed to get his laptop stolen is somehow just that good at dodging investigations? The guy who ran on a platform of putting his opponent behind bars is somehow the starting point of jailing your political rivals? Seems like quite the leap.

 

[NorthDakota]

The guy who's crackhead son managed to get his laptop stolen is somehow just that good at dodging investigations? The guy who ran on a platform of putting his opponent behind bars is somehow the starting point of jailing your political rivals? Seems like quite the leap.

If I recall, that Hur gentleman basically said Biden isn't a good candidate for prosecution because in layman's terms...he's too old and his brain is mush.

Regardless, having a crackhead son doesn't really speak to the criminality of the old man. But yes I think I understand your point.

 

[GATTACA!]

That's the problem here. Obviously there is due process and such. Hopefully if the trial was not on the up-and-up it gets sorted out on appeal. The wheels of justice are also quite slow, which has its own problems. The big thing is he wasn't prosecuted for violating laws, he was prosecuted for being a loud mouth jackass who beat Hillary Clinton 8 years ago.

Had he lost, this never happens.

Complete speculation and who cares since it seems almost certain he's 100% guilty of the crimes he was accused of. So the President has a more focused magnifying glass on them? Fine. Stop committing felonies and you have nothing to worry about.

 

[NorthDakota]

Complete speculation and who cares since it seems almost certain he's 100% guilty of the crimes he was accused of. So the President has a more focused magnifying glass on them? Fine. Stop committing felonies and you have nothing to worry about.

It's not speculating to state the obvious.

 

[TorontoGold]

If I recall, that Hur gentleman basically said Biden isn't a good candidate for prosecution because in layman's terms...he's too old and his brain is mush.

Regardless, having a crackhead son doesn't really speak to the criminality of the old man. But yes I think I understand your point.

He worked in the Trump administration, went to Harvard/Cambridge/Stanford, and clerked for Rehnquist. Pretty much had all the qualifications you'd want in a Republican prosecutor. The furthest he went was to comment on his demeanor.

It means that he doesn't exactly surround himself with hardened criminals that would help him commit large scale crimes like a "Mob Boss".

 

[NorthDakota]

He worked in the Trump administration, went to Harvard/Cambridge/Stanford, and clerked for Rehnquist. Pretty much had all the qualifications you'd want in a Republican prosecutor. The furthest he went was to comment on his demeanor.

It means that he doesn't exactly surround himself with hardened criminals that would help him commit large scale crimes like a "Mob Boss".

I'm not following and much of this doesn't seem relevant to any point

 

[yankeehater]

Just graduated from a top 20 MBA program. Usually about 90-95% have jobs secured at graduation. It seems this year is the worst since the great recession as about 60% of my classmates have secured jobs. Not sure why job reports keep saying economy is booming. Maybe if you want to work at a low level service job its great.

I work in the construction industry (supply side) for one of the largest companies in the US. The industry is usually a leading indicator. We have missed our last two quarterly earnings for the first time in a decade. Mandate just came down to dump inventory now to save from loses in the future. Never heard that in my career in industry which spans almost two decades.

I have flown four times in the last month during normal travel times out of major airports like LAX and none of the flights were full and two were more than half empty. I have not seen this since the beginning of the '08 recession.

Personal/credit card debt is at record highs, which with extremely high interest rates, becomes almost insurmountable hill to overcome.

You are starting to see more earning misses and the stock market beginning to show it. The media is pumping a faux story of a booming economy to build up Biden which most Americans know is not the truth.

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm not following and much of this doesn't seem relevant to any point

Pretty simple point - He has a flawless background, if he can't make the case that Biden should be charged then who would.

Additionally, if Republican's truly believed he did, wouldn't they have moved forward with an impeachment?

All pretty basic ideas that seem to slip the mind of "rational thinkers" who believe that Biden has these numerous crimes that are obvious to them but not to the lawyers.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Complete speculation and who cares since it seems almost certain he's 100% guilty of the crimes he was accused of. So the President has a more focused magnifying glass on them? Fine. Stop committing felonies and you have nothing to worry about.

Also presidents will have immunity from everything while in office as long as it remains in their official duties. The scotus will be determining just what those bounds are soon.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Wild levels of slippery slope reasoning. By this logic, even if a politician is guilty of a crime, we shouldn't ever prosecute them because of the implication it might create.

I also hate this assumption that the jury was crooked because they are from Manhattan. They are normal citizens trying to do their civic duty. The majority are professionals who were court ordered to appear and do this thing. In my experience in litigation, the jury process tends to impart the seriousness of the situation and most people rise to those occasions when the rubber meets the road and truly put their biases aside in those moments.

Even if you assume that everyone is just a political grifter who wants to side with their party, about 13%* of people in Manhattan voted for Trump in 2020. There are good odds that multiple members of that jury were Trump voters.

*Corrected thanks to NorthDakota

At least one jury member said they got their news solely from Truth social. Two others were lawyers as well.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I work in the construction industry (supply side) for one of the largest companies in the US. The industry is usually a leading indicator. We have missed our last two quarterly earnings for the first time in a decade. Mandate just came down to dump inventory now to save from loses in the future. Never heard that in my career in industry which spans almost two decades.

I have flown four times in the last month during normal travel times out of major airports like LAX and none of the flights were full and two were more than half empty. I have not seen this since the beginning of the '08 recession.

Personal/credit card debt is at record highs, which with extremely high interest rates, becomes almost insurmountable hill to overcome.

You are starting to see more earning misses and the stock market beginning to show it. The media is pumping a faux story of a booming economy to build up Biden which most Americans know is not the truth.

I’m sorry but I’ll take my prognostications on the largest and most complex economy humanity has ever seen from the published reports from economists and not on anecdotal flight logs to and from LAX.

We are likely due for a recession at some point but that is the nature of inevitable contractions in the capitalism we practice and not by who is in office.

Economic outlook: Steady global growth expected for 2024 and 2025

The global economy is continuing growing at a modest pace, according to the OECD’s latest Economic Outlook. The Economic Outlook projects steady global GDP growth of 3.1% in 2024, the same as the 3.1% in 2023, followed by a slight pick-up to 3.2% in 2025.

www.oecd.org

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Just graduated from a top 20 MBA program. Usually about 90-95% have jobs secured at graduation. It seems this year is the worst since the great recession as about 60% of my classmates have secured jobs. Not sure why job reports keep saying economy is booming. Maybe if you want to work at a low level service job its great.

I work in engineering (design side) and we can’t get enough bodies. Our contractors have backlogs of projects they just can’t get done quick enough. Some of its supply most is labor. Weird stuff.

Though I always struggle with trying to properly weigh everyone’s anecdotal evidence. Hang in there. You will see many more contractions in your life. You may have to do what most of us did coming out of college and get a service level job to begin with.

 

[Irish#1]

Just graduated from a top 20 MBA program. Usually about 90-95% have jobs secured at graduation. It seems this year is the worst since the great recession as about 60% of my classmates have secured jobs. Not sure why job reports keep saying economy is booming. Maybe if you want to work at a low level service job its great.

Congrats. Hope you do well.

I guess if you make all kinds of money, the economy can appear to be doing great or you just don't care. Gas, food prices and mortgage rates are still way up there which are the three areas that impact families the most.

Sad day for America, regardless of whose dick you like the most. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Trump will appeal. Will they let him remain free after sentencing while the appeals process plays out? IMO, I doubt Trump spends any time in jail and if he doesn't, then this trial was a gigantic waste of time and money.