Sept 9 | North Carolina State

[PutuporShutup]

im not sure the defense is as good as the stats show. against UTS ND only had 1 sack and had very few havoc plays. i have my doubts that the defense will all of a sudden improve against better competition.

We are still pretty much running a 4-2-5. Almost completely taking away the pass other than if the QB buys time scrambling.

The question is can you run on ND's front 6. It seems to me like ND believes they can stop/slow down the run with 6 to where you aren't getting many first downs without throwing. IF ND holds you to a no or minimal gain run play, you are in trouble. Both teams have had athletic QBs including this week. I would expect a similar approach of not having the DLine sprinting upfield, and letting the LBs do the chasing. With that said, I thought Betrand/Liafau have done a poor job chasing/containing.

I expect we'll see a lot of 3rd and 5's for NC state, can armstrong keep drives going with legs/big time throws?

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I agree with this. I have not seen the DL doing their job either setting the edge or creating consistent pressure. I also haven't seen anyone in the front 7 tackle consistently or look fast in the open field.

I tried mentioning something similar in the post game thread regarding pass rush not getting home (and how it would relate to playing C. Williams and USC). I'm not as worried with this game as NCST's offense is garbage and this will be ND's second week playing in their "base" defense (Navy week doesn't count). If they pressure Armstrong while also containing him, I don't see how NCST scores more than 13-17 points on ND's defense, as he's prone to mistakes. The unit, with it's early season flaws, is still preventing teams from scoring and that should count for something.

Liufau and Sneed are plenty fast. They just need to consistently tackle better and not over-pursue, imo.

 

[notredomer23]

Honestly interested. Do you mostly assume you should do the opposite of what the “pros” say? What is a square pick?

Covered a bit better below but in this specific case, I am talking about the Barstool Pick’em podcast. They are all awful gamblers, and love ND here

 

[IrishLax]

I hate the +8 or +7.5 spread, ripe for backdoor cover. I have ND moneyline. I really don't think you lose a game like this with a veteran QB. It's hard to see ND getting to less than 30 points, but easy to see NCST in that 17-24 range. I remember the last time NC State was hyped up and that game wasn't particularly close.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I hate the +8 or +7.5 spread, ripe for backdoor cover. I have ND moneyline. I really don't think you lose a game like this with a veteran QB. It's hard to see ND getting to less than 30 points, but easy to see NCST in that 17-24 range. I remember the last time NC State was hyped up and that game wasn't particularly close.

Tbf we don't have a Julian Love on this team (love BenMo but Love was FIRED UP in that 2017 game). Multiple PBUs and a Pick 6.

 

[arrowryan]

Tbf we don't have a Julian Love on this team (love BenMo but Love was FIRED UP in that 2017 game). Multiple PBUs and a Pick 6.

Ben Morrison is better than Love, IMO

 

[irish4ever]

A square is recreational or novice bettor. A square pick is like a "sucker bet" that Vegas wants the public to jump on because they feel the opposite will happen. So when you see ND a 7 point favorite it's cause for a red flag. Vegas knows the public and ND fans are going to have the sentiment we've already seen in this thread. There's more that goes into betting, but I've said multiple times...in games like this, DON'T BET ON NOTRE DAME. There's a reason ND under performs in marquee games and doesn't usually blow out lesser opponents. Currently ND has 75% of the money on them to cover, and almost all the money on the moneyline at -300. Gotta hope sharps hammer NC ST and sway the handle, otherwise, this game might be closer than expected.

I think that it will be. I totally hope that I'm wrong, but I can see ND winning in a squeaker. Just for clarification, by hoping to being wrong .... I mean that HOPE that ND kicks the dog shit out of them, not wrong as in ND losing.

 

[KPENN]

Tbf we don't have a Julian Love on this team (love BenMo but Love was FIRED UP in that 2017 game). Multiple PBUs and a Pick 6.

Tirico’s call on that pick 6 was perfect. The GOAT. Sigh

 

[KMac151993]

I think this team is just different....Hartman being a seasoned vet with a calming presence...I see us playing well.

ND - 38
NCST - 13

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'm skeptical NCSt covers but only because I think ND is complete this year. We really haven't had a QB that could make the throws sideline to sideline and down the field. My biggest question mark is our interior OL. If they get knocked back or fail to give the RBs room, then I don't know how they'll respond.

And can everyone protect the football while being aggressive? I really don't want to see another untimely Estime fumble.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I agree with this. I have not seen the DL doing their job either setting the edge or creating consistent pressure. I also haven't seen anyone in the front 7 tackle consistently or look fast in the open field.

It's hard for me to tell when the DL is holding back due to scheme vs. when they are being kept in check. I just don't have an eye for that so I'm hoping we see some controlled aggression by Golden. Armstrong can make you pay with too many upfield pursuits but we can't neutralize what is supposed to be one of our strenghts: DL strength and disruption


I'll be stunned if NCSt doesn't come out in press coverage man, with one rotating shade and a stacked box. Occasionally they'll bail to zone schemes that keep pressure on the intermediate and LOS. They are going to force us to take a few shots. I don't know what other plan they could have if they hope to win.

I'd be happy for someone to point out alternate plans that could give NCSt success.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I hate the +8 or +7.5 spread, ripe for backdoor cover. I have ND moneyline. I really don't think you lose a game like this with a veteran QB. It's hard to see ND getting to less than 30 points, but easy to see NCST in that 17-24 range. I remember the last time NC State was hyped up and that game wasn't particularly close.

The play is ND ML. You think it's hard to see ND getting less than 30? but NCST in the 17-24 range? I actually feel ND could be just under 30 but also don't see NCST putting up more than 17. ND by 10 but I'm not comfortable enough with that call to put money on the spread.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Ben Morrison is better than Love, IMO

He certainly could end up that way

 

[BleedBlueGold]

ND finally having a screen game with ELITE running backs in space and a QB with an eye for reading the blitz will help keep NCST honest, imo.

 

[Huntr]

I think much of the national conversation about this game has focused on Hartman's record v NCSt and the picks he's thrown to them.

 

[NormND_44]

It’s so interesting hearing NCST fans perspective on this. They’re optimistic because they have beaten Hartman - they’re expecting something similar to previous Hartman outcomes. That’s more recent in their minds than us stomping them in 2017. We’re optimistic because we have beaten teams like NCST before with bad QBs and now we have a good one so it has to be better, right? I haven’t really heard any reasons for optimism from NCST because of the merit of their team, it’s just “we’re not afraid of Hartman.” It feels like ND has only gotten bigger and more physical since 2017. Not saying we’re going to bully NCST, but on paper we should be able to. They are going to have to throw everything at stopping the run. If our WRs can step up, I like our chances.

 

[JamIrish]

I think that it will be. I totally hope that I'm wrong, but I can see ND winning in a squeaker. Just for clarification, by hoping to being wrong .... I mean that HOPE that ND kicks the dog shit out of them, not wrong as in ND losing.

My hope is that it kinda goes the way LAX was referencing and ND is in control most of the game and NC State gets a backdoor cover. I still want to see if money comes in on NC State on the moneyline/spread closer to game time. If the handle stays heavy on ND and Vegas doesn't adjust the line that'll be cause for concern imo.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I think much of the national conversation about this game has focused on Hartman's record v NCSt and the picks he's thrown to them.

Wake could not run the ball last year vs them. When I say can't run the ball, wake had like 15 yards rushing in the game. They were in 3rd and fourth down and long a lot in the game and hartman made a few bad throws. We should be able to have significantly more success on first/second down and then be able to have better protection/options if we get into any 3rd and longs. Wake was also playing from behind most of the game.

 

[ACamp1900]

Tbf we don't have a Julian Love on this team (love BenMo but Love was FIRED UP in that 2017 game). Multiple PBUs and a Pick 6.

Keep our BenMo out yo motha fuckin mouth

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

It’s so interesting hearing NCST fans perspective on this. They’re optimistic because they have beaten Hartman - they’re expecting something similar to previous Hartman outcomes. That’s more recent in their minds than us stomping them in 2017. We’re optimistic because we have beaten teams like NCST before with bad QBs and now we have a good one so it has to be better, right? I haven’t really heard any reasons for optimism from NCST because of the merit of their team, it’s just “we’re not afraid of Hartman.” It feels like ND has only gotten bigger and more physical since 2017. Not saying we’re going to bully NCST, but on paper we should be able to. They are going to have to throw everything at stopping the run. If our WRs can step up, I like our chances.

Since arriving at Wake Forest, Ruggiero has developed three pretty good QBs there, Hartman being the best and most recent.

That being said, Hartman in the ND offense is an entirely different scenario for NC State and everyone else. Ruggiero's Slow Mesh vs the BK/Rees/Parker physical balance are apples and oranges.

It's going to be a WAY different dynamic for these ACC foes who have seen Hartman prior to now, and it's sure as shit going to shock the Navy/USC/Stanford regulars on ND's schedule as well.

NC State and Ohio State are about to tell us a lot more about what we've got and what we're going to get.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Since arriving at Wake Forest, Ruggiero has developed three pretty good QBs there, Hartman being the best and most recent.

That being said, Hartman in the ND offense is an entirely different scenario for NC State and everyone else. Ruggiero's Slow Mesh vs the BK/Rees/Parker physical balance are apples and oranges.

It's going to be a WAY different dynamic for these ACC foes who have seen Hartman prior to now, and it's sure as shit going to shock the Navy/USC/Stanford regulars on ND's schedule as well.

NC State and Ohio State are about to tell us a lot more about what we've got and what we're going to get.

ND money line on both.

 

[IRISHMAN]

I think much of the national conversation about this game has focused on Hartman's record v NCSt and the picks he's thrown to them.

hartman is surrounded by much better talent than he had at WF and he has a running game to lean on as well.

 

[Irish#1]

I think much of the national conversation about this game has focused on Hartman's record v NCSt and the picks he's thrown to them.

With lesser talent surrounding him, you have to wonder how many of those picks was Hartman forcing the throw just to make something happen?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Listening to a Raleigh News & Observer beat writer, he is confident that NCST showing nothing from their playbook vs UCONN and will be an entirely different team come Saturday. TBF, I hope ND has barely dug into their playbook as well.

The writer made a good point about Hartman in saying he’s played really well vs NCST and that some of the picks were made late in the game when Wake was trying to come back from a deficit before ultimately losing. He noted that once teams in WF division got a good look at the slow mesh, they adapted nicely and were able to neutralize it. Similar to Navy now being in a conference and their opponents becoming more familiar to the triple option.

 

[irishff1014]

Their front 7 are going to sell out against the run. I still think we are going to be able to run the ball with success. NCST can’t gamble and send to much help from the backfield because Sam is going to lite them up like a Christmas tree.

Say what you want but this team is notches better than last years. I am buying into this mentality that Freeman and staff are building.

 

[dang227]

Anyone know which sections are the ND tickets?


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[tko]

Doeren is a punk

 

[Crazy Balki]

Certainly missed some tackles against TSU, especially early, and the QBs evaded the pressure for the most part though the rush did force a few mistakes. Was nice to see Botelho get home for a sack. Then there was the abysmal tackling on the KR towards the end of the first half. And the targeting penalty....definitley need to fine tune the tackling a bit before Saturday.

I think the short week and returning from Ireland, and coming off Navy week played a major part in the defense's slow start. There's a reason there's a very noticeable portion of the fanbase who wants to end that series, and I'd be lying if I didn't understand why.

It wasn't just the defense either. Despite scoring, that first drive on offense was sloppy too.

The targeting penalty was bogus. Sheer bogus. If you're not going to call the hit on Ford, you can't turn around and apply a different standard for targeting in the Carter instance.

 

[laughingirish90]

anybody think they'll get some heavy rain from that hurricane that could come close to the coastal area.

 

[NDBoiler]

anybody think they'll get some heavy rain from that hurricane that could come close to the coastal area.